things I like about Islam

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

He converted the temple but he did not still a holiday.?

 

[glo]

I like the simplicity of Islam.

Many Muslims I have met lead very simple lifestyles and place little emphasis on material wealth.
I also love the hospitality of Muslims - that's something I am really trying to get better at!

 

[coddles76]

Sometimes being the 3rd party allows one to remain more rational. I am not saying a Christian or Muslim isn't rational but one who follows a faith tends to be more biased towards what they believe in. One issue you can run into (and this can be a biggie) as a 3rd party is that you might represent a religion falsely since you don't fully believe in it, follow it, or over time correctly learn it.

Yes, I agree. Well Said cern. I guess both sides has its negatives and positives. I was just hoping that my comments might persuade Atheistofpeace to accept islam, Even though the ultimate decision of that reversion lies in Allah SWT, but you never know, it might tickle something in his heart and mind

 

[Follower]

glo said- I like the simplicity of Islam.

I am surprised you say that? Maybe I am just a renegade but to me they have to follow way too many rituals, pray at a specific time, say certain prayers at certain times, face a certain way when praying. Go on pilgramage. They must wash correctly before prayers and at times have to rewash. To actually read the words of Allah they must learn Arabic. They can't even touch certain animals, not eat others. I have heard Muslims can't eat Jello is that right? Their women have to make sure their hair is covered and they can not make eye contact with men. After child-birth the mother must not pray or fast, touch the Kuran or enter a mosque for forty days?

glo - I could go on but maybe it it the fact that everything is lined out for what you have to do that makes it seem so simple?

Many Muslims I have met lead very simple lifestyles and place little emphasis on material wealth.

Many Christians have very unmaterialistic lives- especially the poor ones LOL! No really look at the Mennonites and Amish. I would love to visit an Amish farm for a weekend.

Yes this is very true-
I also love the hospitality of Muslims - that's something I am really trying to get better at!

 

[جوري]

Always better to dance like possessed cultists in church to the organ than to preform proper prayer I agree indeed. Given that is exactly how Jesus did it!

Not fasting or praying during menses is for the woman's benefit, if you actually understand a thing about physiology..

also I thought your women had to be covered up too, you should read Ezekiel and Corinthians ey?
(1 Corinthians 11:3-12)

The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head,[a] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

plus these others I immensely enjoy, especially when you play comparison games

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Is.3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
1 Cor.11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
1 Cor.14:34-36 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Eph.5:22-24 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
Col.3:18 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."
1 Tim.2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing
1 Pet.3:1 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands."


or are you a hypocrite?

 

[coddles76]

glo said- I like the simplicity of Islam.

I am surprised you say that? Maybe I am just a renegade but to me they have to follow way too many rituals, pray at a specific time, say certain prayers at certain times, face a certain way when praying. Go on pilgramage. They must wash correctly before prayers and at times have to rewash. To actually read the words of Allah they must learn Arabic. They can't even touch certain animals, not eat others. I have heard Muslims can't eat Jello is that right? Their women have to make sure their hair is covered and they can not make eye contact with men. After child-birth the mother must not pray or fast, touch the Kuran or enter a mosque for forty days?

glo - I could go on but maybe it it the fact that everything is lined out for what you have to do that makes it seem so simple?

Many Muslims I have met lead very simple lifestyles and place little emphasis on material wealth.

Many Christians have very unmaterialistic lives- especially the poor ones LOL! No really look at the Mennonites and Amish. I would love to visit an Amish farm for a weekend.

Yes this is very true-
I also love the hospitality of Muslims - that's something I am really trying to get better at!

Oh thats right we muslims do too much worship to please our creator, I forgot that Christ already died for our sins and has already saved us so we no longer have a duty to do much but to believe in that. I guess thats the simplicity your after.

 

[Cern]

Yes, I agree. Well Said cern. I guess both sides has its negatives and positives. I was just hoping that my comments might persuade Atheistofpeace to accept islam, Even though the ultimate decision of that reversion lies in Allah SWT, but you never know, it might tickle something in his heart and mind

Even I have been contemplating Islam as a religion but I am still hesitant. As I have researched several religions I am presented with the good, the bad and the misconceptions of each. Unfortunately Islam seems to have more misconceptions to Westerns and I think most is caused by the media portraying Islam as radical and extremist terrorists which only represents a small portion of the 1 billion Muslims worldwide. I will admit that there are some portions of Islam I have issues with but I still am researching and trying to find the truth behind the cloak of fog.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

Ahhh please no flaming eachother.

 

[coddles76]

Even I have been contemplating Islam as a religion but I am still hesitant. As I have researched several religions I am presented with the good, the bad and the misconceptions of each. Unfortunately Islam seems to have more misconceptions to Westerns and I think most is caused by the media portraying Islam as radical and extremist terrorists which only represents a small portion of the 1 billion Muslims worldwide. I will admit that there are some portions of Islam I have issues with but I still am researching and trying to find the truth behind the cloak of fog.

Alhumdulillah, Praise be to Allah SWT.
If your sincere in your search for the truth Allah SWT will guide you there. We live in a global society run by misconceptions and a media campaign determined to break the law of Allah SWT but Allah SWT will perfect his deen even though the evil one's detest it. Seek knowledge, learn, gather information and inshAllah Allah SWT will provide answers to all your queries. Islam is the most logical way of life and will have a logical answer for all your questions if you ask and research in the right areas.
I pray that you seek what you are searching for.

 

[Woodrow]

Even I have been contemplating Islam as a religion but I am still hesitant. As I have researched several religions I am presented with the good, the bad and the misconceptions of each. Unfortunately Islam seems to have more misconceptions to Westerns and I think most is caused by the media portraying Islam as radical and extremist terrorists which only represents a small portion of the 1 billion Muslims worldwide. I will admit that there are some portions of Islam I have issues with but I still am researching and trying to find the truth behind the cloak of fog.

NO PERSON HAS THE POWER OR THE RIGHT TO MAKE YOU ACCEPT ISLAM.

This is a choice only you can make. All that can be expected is that you investigate every aspect fully and base any choice you make upon your own findings.

Search, ask questions, read all sides and follow what you find to be true.

 

[burdenofbeing]

NO PERSON HAS THE POWER OR THE RIGHT TO MAKE YOU ACCEPT ISLAM.

This is a choice only you can make. All that can be expected is that you investigate every aspect fully and base any choice you make upon your own findings.

Search, ask questions, read all sides and follow what you find to be true.

you know, that's one of the things I can't really understand. What if I've searched with all my might in humility, and I didn't reach the destination islam? would I be still worse than an ignorant person born into a muslim family, and followed islam like following customs?

 

[Woodrow]

you know, that's one of the things I can't really understand. What if I've searched with all my might in humility, and I didn't reach the destination islam? would I be still worse than an ignorant person born into a muslim family, and followed islam like following customs?

I was not raised Muslim and did not accept Islam until at what would be considered an elderly age, My view and opinion will probably differ from that of a younger person who lived an Islamic life since birth.

But, in my opinion I believe it all depends on your intention. do you sincerly want to please Allaah(swt) and simply are not certain as to how or is your intent to please family and friends? Answer that honestly and you should see the answer to your question.

 

[coddles76]

you know, that's one of the things I can't really understand. What if I've searched with all my might in humility, and I didn't reach the destination islam? would I be still worse than an ignorant person born into a muslim family, and followed islam like following customs?

Allah SWT knows the secrets of the heart, You cannot hide anything from Allah SWT. There are two things in questions here, Patience and sincerity. If these things are incorporated within your mighty search with the ulitmate goal of reaching the pleasure of Allah SWT then there is NO WAY Allah SWT will let you down and he will lead you to what you seek. Allah SWT knows whats in your heart remember and if your sincere and patient enough your destination will be reached. There are no tricks here you cannot decieve the almighty by saying "I've tried my hardest to reach my goal" But deep down inside your goals are elsewhere.

 

[burdenofbeing]

so, if I haven't reached islam, it must mean that I wasn't honest or searching hard enough? I mean, there are many here in turkey, who treat islam as it's just tradition. or say that they are muslims, but do not know anything about it. there are people who commit zina frequently, but take ghusl afterwards to "be clean" they get to cleanse their sins (at worst) in hell and then enjoy an eternal heaven, while a person on search for his existantial truth spends an eternity in hell?

Now, I know, if there were something like "if you search hard enough you and be a good fella, and still fail to become a muslim, you will go to heaven" people would exploit it immensely. but.. I don't know.

I don't care much about what my family and friends think of me. I'm not dependant on others very much. However I look, I'm alone in this life, and the life itself is finite. Compared with an eternity of any of the possibilities, this life is non-existant. Of this, I have no doubt. I mean, I'm a born muslim, and I'm looking all over the place to beat my doubts, I don't tell myself to take it easy, I don't take comfort in ignorance and such... This much should be obvious.

Anyway, my question was hypothetical and not really about me.

 

[Woodrow]

so, if I haven't reached islam, it must mean that I wasn't honest or searching hard enough? I mean, there are many here in turkey, who treat islam as it's just tradition. or say that they are muslims, but do not know anything about it. there are people who commit zina frequently, but take ghusl afterwards to "be clean" they get to cleanse their sins (at worst) in hell and then enjoy an eternal heaven, while a person on search for his existantial truth spends an eternity in hell?

Now, I know, if there were something like "if you search hard enough you and be a good fella, and still fail to become a muslim, you will go to heaven" people would exploit it immensely. but.. I don't know.

I don't care much about what my family and friends think of me. I'm not dependant on others very much. However I look, I'm alone in this life, and the life itself is finite. Compared with an eternity of any of the possibilities, this life is non-existant. Of this, I have no doubt. I mean, I'm a born muslim, and I'm looking all over the place to beat my doubts, I don't tell myself to take it easy, I don't take comfort in ignorance and such... This much should be obvious.

Anyway, my question was hypothetical and not really about me.

I realized after I posted my reply was directed as if it were towards you. I did understand you meant it to be hypothetical, my reply was worded wrong.

Now getting back to the question. Keep in mind not one of us knows who will go to Jannah. Fortunately, not one of us has the power to make that judgment. But, we do know that all people will be judged with fairness and mercy.

We do have the responsibility to guide people to Islam, in the best of our ability, but who is and who is not accepting of Islam is not within our control. We can not make an undeserving person go to Jannah and we can not srop a deserving person from going to JANNAH AND WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WILL BE DESERVING.

 

[burdenofbeing]

I know. Not even the prophet had that ability. I know that this is in the core of islamic belief. Only Allah can give hidayah (sic?). But if so, does it mean that every person that tries hard to look and understand life, and his place in it, will he eventually be given opportunities to reach islam?

Jannah is nice of course, I don't belittle it. But haq ul yaqeen is the greatest thing I can think of. I sincerely hope eventually I can be there.

 

[Hafswa]

I like the simplicity of Islam.

Many Muslims I have met lead very simple lifestyles and place little emphasis on material wealth.
I also love the hospitality of Muslims - that's something I am really trying to get better at!

Very true. Many preachers deviate from teaching and preach on prosperity and how to live a better life by getting this and that. Islam has demonstrated an acceptance of what Allah blesses you with.

To add on to this, I admire their dedication to pleasing Allah with simple things like saying Insha'allah or Bismillah because it is true, our seeing tomorrow is not given nor is the course our life takes either.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you ATHEISTofPEACE;

Eric I am working hard on your question to show you where we are not seeing eye to eye. For now I will just say that what you assumed with your question is not so. I mean when I do "host" interfaith talks I will not debate nor take sides.

The interfaith stance seems a tricky path to follow, I guess it is to seek justice for all people, the poor, widows, orphans, and the oppressed. Thirty thousand children die from grinding poverty and preventable disease every single day, children of every faith and no faith, all created by the same God. In many ways the interfaith stance becomes more powerful when you stand up for justice for people who are different from yourself.

When I go to CCC means I am not doing interfaith talks it is me and a bunch of Christians.

Fundamentalists of any faith appear narrow minded, and it might still be the place to talk about interfaith relations, rather than debating who is better than who.

Would you like me to make a thread "what I like about Christianity" Cause there are somethings I like about it more. These things are more emotional appeal.

I will leave that to you, however I would be more interested to hear about your thoughts on interfaith relations and any ideas for bringing us all together.

One more thing I like about Muslims is the way they fast and abstain.

In the spirit of praying for greater interfaith relations and peace on Earth

Eric

 

[~Raynn~]

The strong sense of community...

 

[Follower]

coddles said - Oh thats right we muslims do too much worship to please our creator, I forgot that Christ already died for our sins and has already saved us so we no longer have a duty to do much but to believe in that.

You have forgotten the part of the Holy Bible that says:

James 2
26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Why do Muslims think you worship GOD more then the Christians? Why do you think your way is the only GOD pleasing way?

The Christian can dance, sing, play an instrument and do art to praise GOD. Everyday all day is in constant communion with GOD for many Christians. We can pray and praise silently. And yes some of us fast. No one around us needs to know, so very often no one knows!

We each have different gifts- all these can and are used to praise GOD.