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Kufr = to deny the existence of G-D
Shirk= to associate partners unto him---
Not good to die on either one of those states
peace!
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Kufr = to deny the existence of G-D
Shirk= to associate partners unto him---
Not good to die on either one of those states
peace!
A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu
Greetings of Peace Gene,
how are you and the family? [ALL of them!
]i think the concept that can help you here is that we cannot harm Allah(SWT) in the least! when we go astray, we harm ourselves NOT Allah(SWT). therefore, it may be more difficult for us to earn Allah(SWT)'s forgiveness, but nothing is hard for Allah(SWT)!
the worse the sin, the more repentance we need.
make sense??
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Salaam/peace;
If a sinner offers sincere repentance , ask for forgivenss , then Allah is always merciful to forgive the sin....does not matter it was a minor or major sins. Repentance must take place before the death approaches.
Remember the story of Pharaon ( yak..ignore spell :-[ ) ? When he was drowning in the sea , then he asked for forgiveness & it was not accepted at the very last moment. So , one must be conscious about all kinds of sins before s/he meets the end time.
That's why we must not delay to do a correct thing when we realise that it's the Truth.
Even though there are differences in the seriousness of sins, I don't understand the need to limit Allah's ability to forgive even the greatest sins. Quran 4:110-111 "If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul and then seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Forgiving, Merciful. Whoever commits a sin, he commits it against his own soul. Allah is knowledgeable, Wise." However, Allah may punish for a period of time even a believer for major sins, particularly if the person was unrepentent and did not make amends in this life. Quran 53:32 "To those who avoid the major sins and shameful deeds and are guilty of only small offence, surely for them your Rabb will have abundant forgiveness. He knew you well when He created you from earth and when you were just embryos in your mother's wombs, therefore, do not claim piety for yourselves. He knows best who is really Godfearing pious." Allah is at the same time immensely Merciful and Just beyond our human comprehension.
The brother's and sister's above spoke correctly about the "unforgivable sin" of ascribing partners to Allah. Quran 4:48 "Surely Allah does not forgive shirk (associating any partner with Him); and may forgive sins other than that if He so pleases. This is because one who commits shirk with Allah, does indeed invent a great sinful lie." and Quran 19:88-92 "Those who say: "The Compassionate (God) has begotten a son," certainly preach such a monstrous falsehood, that the very Heavens might crack, the earth might cleave asunder and the mountains might crumble to pieces - at their ascribing a son to the Compassionate (God), It is not befitting to the Compassionate (God) that He should beget a son." However . . . we know that, if a person becomes a Muslim and is truly repentent of even this major sin before he dies, then Allah is sure to forgive. Why else did Prophet Muhammad and his companions try to guide the idolators of their time?
An hadith in Bukhari illustrates the simple Islamic "formula" to enter into the Grace of Allah -Narrated Al Musaiyab -When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last Statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib." Then the Prophet said, "I will keep on asking for Allah's forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed: "It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113) The other Verse was also revealed: "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will..." (28.56)
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Peace Gene,
Well looks like everybody else has pitched in and posted some good answers. But, you are right Just as there are concepts in Christianity that have no equivilants in Islam so to are there Islamic beliefs that have nothing corresponding in Christianity.
I think if you take what has been said and keep in mind that we believe nothing can hurt or harm Allah(swt) and that we recognize He does not need us. It is us that need Him. Combine that with our concept of self responsibility and that all that happens to us is the result of our own actions, but it is Allah(swt) alone that has the power for them to happen.
So at a Jr. High level of explaining.
Only the denial/blasphemy of acknowledging Allah(swt) through kufr or shirk is unforgivable.
No sins are more difficult for Allah(swt) to Him to forgive, all are forgiven just at his wish. When He wants something to be, it is.
We humans have to put forth more work to earn the forgiveness of sins. However, it is not our deeds that are capable of having sins forgiven.
There is no text book formula to say what needs to be done to be accepted as sufficient work to earns Allah(swt) forgiveness.
One man may be forgiven of murdering a hundred people simply by praying for forgiveness. Another man may not be forgiven for short changing his obligation for charity by one penny no matter haw many prayers he offers for forgiveness.
We do know that Allah(swt) is Merciful and that he is Just. We also knows he knows the innermost thoughts in our hearts, even before we do. We do know that all of these will be considered when we face judgement. We will be punished for our sins only to the extent punishment is warranted and we will be rewarded for our deeds many times beyond their worth.
to explain more of the Islamic view I believe this will help:
69:13. And when the trumpet shall sound one blast Y S C
69:14. And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash, Y S C
69:15. Then, on that day will the Event befall. Y S
69:16. And the heaven will split asunder, for that day it will be frail. Y S
69:17. And the angels will be on the sides thereof, and eight will uphold the Throne of thy Lord that day, above them. Y S C
69:18. On that day ye will be exposed; not a secret of you will be hidden. Y S
69:19. Then, as for him who is given his record in his right hand, he will say: Take, read my book! Y S C
69:20. Surely I knew that I should have to meet my reckoning. Y S C
69:21. Then he will be in blissful state Y S
69:22. In a high garden Y S
69:23. Whereof the clusters are in easy reach. Y S C
69:24. (And it will be said unto those therein): Eat and drink at ease for that which ye sent on before you in past days. Y S C
69:25. But as for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say: Oh, would that I had not been given my book Y S C
69:26. And knew not what my reckoning! Y S
69:27. Oh, would that it had been death! Y S C
69:28. My wealth hath not availed me, Y S
69:29. My power hath gone from me. Y S C
69:30. (It will be said): Take him and fetter him Y S C
69:31. And then expose him to hell-fire Y S
69:32. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Y S C
69:33. Lo! He used not to believe in Allah the Tremendous, Y S C
69:34. And urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Y S C
69:35. Therefor hath he no lover here this day, Y S
69:36. Nor any food save filth Y S C
69:37. Which none but sinners eat. Y S
Pickthal's Quran Translation
Well looks like everybody else has pitched in and posted some good answers. But, you are right Just as there are concepts in Christianity that have no equivilants in Islam so to are there Islamic beliefs that have nothing corresponding in Christianity.
I think if you take what has been said and keep in mind that we believe nothing can hurt or harm Allah(swt) and that we recognize He does not need us. It is us that need Him. Combine that with our concept of self responsibility and that all that happens to us is the result of our own actions, but it is Allah(swt) alone that has the power for them to happen.
So at a Jr. High level of explaining.
Only the denial/blasphemy of acknowledging Allah(swt) through kufr or shirk is unforgivable.
No sins are more difficult for Allah(swt) to Him to forgive, all are forgiven just at his wish. When He wants something to be, it is.
We humans have to put forth more work to earn the forgiveness of sins. However, it is not our deeds that are capable of having sins forgiven.
There is no text book formula to say what needs to be done to be accepted as sufficient work to earns Allah(swt) forgiveness.
One man may be forgiven of murdering a hundred people simply by praying for forgiveness. Another man may not be forgiven for short changing his obligation for charity by one penny no matter haw many prayers he offers for forgiveness.
We do know that Allah(swt) is Merciful and that he is Just. We also knows he knows the innermost thoughts in our hearts, even before we do. We do know that all of these will be considered when we face judgement. We will be punished for our sins only to the extent punishment is warranted and we will be rewarded for our deeds many times beyond their worth.
to explain more of the Islamic view I believe this will help:
69:13. And when the trumpet shall sound one blast Y S C
69:14. And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash, Y S C
69:15. Then, on that day will the Event befall. Y S
69:16. And the heaven will split asunder, for that day it will be frail. Y S
69:17. And the angels will be on the sides thereof, and eight will uphold the Throne of thy Lord that day, above them. Y S C
69:18. On that day ye will be exposed; not a secret of you will be hidden. Y S
69:19. Then, as for him who is given his record in his right hand, he will say: Take, read my book! Y S C
69:20. Surely I knew that I should have to meet my reckoning. Y S C
69:21. Then he will be in blissful state Y S
69:22. In a high garden Y S
69:23. Whereof the clusters are in easy reach. Y S C
69:24. (And it will be said unto those therein): Eat and drink at ease for that which ye sent on before you in past days. Y S C
69:25. But as for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say: Oh, would that I had not been given my book Y S C
69:26. And knew not what my reckoning! Y S
69:27. Oh, would that it had been death! Y S C
69:28. My wealth hath not availed me, Y S
69:29. My power hath gone from me. Y S C
69:30. (It will be said): Take him and fetter him Y S C
69:31. And then expose him to hell-fire Y S
69:32. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Y S C
69:33. Lo! He used not to believe in Allah the Tremendous, Y S C
69:34. And urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Y S C
69:35. Therefor hath he no lover here this day, Y S
69:36. Nor any food save filth Y S C
69:37. Which none but sinners eat. Y S
Pickthal's Quran Translation
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Yes, you had a team of the best and the brightest helping you today. Everyone did a very good job. Each had their own slant to what they said, but everything was still consistent across the board.
If I remember right, most Muslims believe that there is a time of some degree of punishment for nearly everyone. Perhaps this is why it is important to have gradations of wrongdoing, becaue there is a corollary punishment, even if you are forgiven.
For instance, if I make up a story about my neighbor that I don't like and start spreading that around town, that is a pretty bad thing. There are probably some things worse, but it is also worse than a whole lot of other things, so after I die I can expect to be punished in a way that Allah sees as commiserate with the "crime". And even if I later realized how wrong this was and repent of it and try to make up for it, I can still expect to do some time in hell before being admitted to heaven. Am I right about this?
Continuing with the example of me bad-mouthing my neighbor...
A Christian doing such a thing would simply go to hell for all of eternity. A Christian can't lessen the time served in hell by their good works, because whether you deduct a minute or a million years from eternity, you still are left with eternity in hell. So for the Christian at the end of this life there are just two choices, either eternity in heaven or eternity in hell, everyone fits in one category or the other. There are no shades of grey inbetween.
But a Muslim can also have this sin off-set by the good he does and thus lessen the time to be served being punished. But for Muslims there are a million shades of grey, as varied as the lives that each person lives.
The part that is confusing is that, for the Muslim, on the one hand it is like Christianity in that it is all based on grace -- Allah does not have to let anyone in to heaven, but he loving grants it to all who he desires to grant it to. And those he does not grant it to can't say that he is wrong for not having done so.
But on the other hand, it is completely contrary to Christianity in that it is all based on works -- no one gets to heaven unless they have done enough good deeds to earn Allah's pleasure and avoided enough wrong to keep from incurring Allah's wrath. Where you end up depends on the balance sheet having more good marks than bad marks on your paper. This makes Allah, not a bestower of mercy but merely a good bookkeeper.
I'm having some trouble reconciling these two pictures that have been drawn for me with each other. I'm guessing that I've probably drawn one of them incorrectly, but I'm not sure which it would be, for I have heard both.
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I find this part interesting. I once asked a christian if Hitler had, just before he died, accepted Jesus as his savior (thereby accepting christianity) and then died. He replied he will be in heaven, meaning all his sins would be forgiven, once he accepts Jesus as his savior. Didnt Jesus die for the sins of the christians?
Anyway back to your question, a muslim earns his place in the hereafter, be it heaven or hell, but in the end, it all depends on the mercy of Allah. Obviously Allah being the best judge isnt going to do something wrong. For example, there is a saying that goes like this - among the first few who will be judged on the day of judgement is a scholar of islam. he would be sent to hell because his original intention was to be popular among the muslims and not to honestly serve Allah. So you, me or anyone wouldnt know what's in someones heart. Its God and God alone who knows.
there is a hadith (saying) that says that Allah dividet mercy into 100 parts, he reserved 99 parts of it to HIMself and then gave the remaining one part to the whole of humanity. So that gives you a picture of how merciful God is. Here is another hadith that I thought I would quote directly, because its the most beautiful and summarizes who God is:-
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (PBUH), from among the things he reports from his Lord (mighty and sublime be He), is that he said:
A servant [of Allah's] committed a sin and said: O Allah, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for them. Then he sinned again and said: O Lord, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for them. Then he sinned again and said: O Lord, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for sins. Do what you wish, for I have forgiven you.
It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari).
This basically says that although its not permitted to commit a sin, if you repent sincerely for any sins you had committed, Allah being the most forgiving would forgive you, IF you are honest and sincere.
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Is that true for all persons? If Hitler at the end of his life had born witness that there was no God but Allah and that Mohammed (pbuh) was his messenger, would not Hitler have found God to be merciful also?
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If they repent at the end of their life it will not work, as Allah(SWT) says in in the Qur'an:
"Forgiveness is not for those who do ill until death faces one of them, who then says, 'Lo! I repent now, nor for those who die as disbelievers, for such we have prepared a painful doom.'" (4:18)
And I am sure you know from Moses(AS) story, that the Pharoah repents at the end just when he is about to die, as he knew that Moses(AS) was a just person and spoke truth, but constantly rejected it for his own selfish needs, Allah(SWT) says he will not be forgiven even though near the end of his life, when he is drowning, he cried I believe in the lord of Moses"...
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I can't answer for God as far as this question is concerned. As I had mentioned earlier, its absolutely the mercy of God here. But I would like to point out the following Quranic verses and leave it to your discretion
99:7 Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!
99:8 And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.
This is not to say that hitler would be punished in hell forever or would be in heaven forever (as in the case of christianity I believe). But there is a likelihood for him to spend some time in hell. Again I cant answer anything as my knowledge is very limited. But it reminds me of 2 incidents, that i would like to share.
1. In one of the hadiths, one of the sahabah (dont remember who) killed someone in war, when that person out of fear uttered the shahadah. Prophet(saw) reprimanded the sahabah for killing that person after he took the shahadah.
2. When pharoah was chasing Moses (this is when the sea splits to make way for the people of Moses), Moses and his followers passed through the sea safely, but when pharoah went through the sea, it filled up again.
10:90 We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."
10:91 (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
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I think its been mentioned before, it depends entirely on the sincerity of the person and that information only Allah(SWT) knows, yes even Hitler would've been forgiven if he did what he did out of ignorance...
"Forgiveness is only incumbent on Allah towards those who do evil out of ignorance and then turn quickly (in repentance) to Allah. Toward them will Allah turn in mercy; for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom." (4:17)
Surely if Allah(SWT) Mercy did not preceed his Wrath we would've all been doomed.For truly, Allah’s mercy precedes His wrath and His pardon precedes his displeasure. How strange it is for speakers to dishearten the people with talk of punishment, when Allah says: “O My servants who have transgressed against their souls! Do not despair of Allah’s mercy. Truly, Allah forgives all sins. Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Sûrah al-Zumar: 53]
Giving up Hope of the Mercy of Allah is a Crime in Itself. But remember if a sin is commited while thinking "God will forgive me for this as he is the most merciful" your sin can multiply as you are scheming against Allah(SWT) who is closer to you then your jagular vein and he is the best of schemers.
We cannot Fathom Allah(SWT) mercy and his Warth. But we know According to a famous hadith qudsi, God says: `My mercy precedes My wrath', or `has precedence over My wrath', or `predominates over My wrath.'
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Forget Hitler! God offered forgiveness to the the Pharaoh (through Moses), and he is considered in Islam as being the number most evil person to ever live!! Pharaoh, of course rejected...
Anyway, for Hitler to have become Muslim would have been nothing short of a miracle (as far as we can see anyway) because the key to forgiveness is sincerity.
p.s. with regards to what you asked earlier- is it difficult for God to forgive some sins more than others. Just in short- no, of course not, but it is just more difficult for us to gain forgiveness for some sins compared to others. Nothing is difficult for Allah.:thumbs_up
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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu,
Greetings of Peace Brother Gene,
rather than write a large post which might be totally unintelligable, let me start with the above first.
why would:
if:
and:
have you not just shown us that this particular sin, backbiting, carries a more serious punishment than others?? if so, how can all sins be equal?
and does not Paul say something like" All sin and fall short of the mark?"
therefore, using my "heretical understanding", are not all Christians simply going to hell for all eternity?? (using your explanation)
forgive me for not being as knowledgable as "Uncle" Woodrow or as graceful as dear Sister Malaikah...
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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu,
Greetings of Peace Brother Gene,
rather than write a large post which might be totally unintelligable, let me start with the above first.
why would:
if:
and:
have you not just shown us that this particular sin, backbiting, carries a more serious punishment than others?? if so, how can all sins be equal?
and does not Paul say something like" All sin and fall short of the mark?"
therefore, using my "heretical understanding", are not all Christians simply going to hell for all eternity?? (using your explanation)
forgive me for not being as knowledgable as "Uncle" Woodrow or as graceful as dear Sister Malaikah...
Without God's grace all Christians would indeed go to hell.
It is with Christians as Malaikah says with respect to Islam -- "is it difficult for God to forgive some sins more than others? Just in short- no, of course not."
So, for Christians, to be saved from hell and for heaven there is just one condition necessary, and that condition is for the person to be living in God's grace. Outside of it, there is no salvation for anyone. You would make a poor heretic, for you have understood this point correctly.
The Christian also understands God's grace to be offered freely (without any need nor ability to "earn" it) to all who entrust their lives to Christ to redeem us and present us as righteous (a label we don't deserve but are nonetheless granted) before the Father.
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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu
Greetings of Peace Brother Gene,
hmmm, now i'm confused again, so how did:
that guy, end up in heaven? :?
after you said he would end up in hell????
hew
either he has to worry about it or he doesn't. either he has grace or he don't, but you called him a Christian so we would assume he does.:-[
and yet...:enough!:
doesn't seem like a consistant point...:blind:
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Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu
Greetings of Peace Brother Gene,
hmmm, now i'm confused again, so how did:
that guy, end up in heaven? :?
after you said he would end up in hell????
hew either he has to worry about it or he doesn't. either he has grace or he don't, but you called him a Christian so we would assume he does.:-[
and yet...:enough!:
doesn't seem like a consistant point...:blind:
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that guy, end up in heaven? :?
after you said he would end up in hell????
OK. Sorry. My mistake.
In my first post, I just took it so far, to the point where I was showing that we are all accountable for our actions and that any sin will end up with us in hell ......(the part I left out).....if it is based on our actions alone.
So, from a Christian persepctive sin does indeed send all of us to hell (Christians and non-Christians alike) and this is an act of God's justice in judging all of us as sinners. Big sinners, little sinners it does not make a difference. All sin, any sin means that one is going to hell. And since, as you referenced, Paul tells us that all have sinned, then all are going to go to hell.
But (and the part that I didn't write about till you asked the question), there is a means by which one can escape hell, that is for God to grant us grace to us and instead of judging us based on our deeds to judge us based on his mercy. So in response to the completely justified sentencing that all of us are going to go to hell, we also add Paul's statement, "but the gift of God is grace in Jesus Christ". That is what I was speaking of in the second post.
So, does he go to hell or not? That depends. Based on what he has done; then, yes, he would go to hell. Based on what God is doing in him; then, no, he would not go to hell, but to heaven.
Does God work for this good in all persons? No. God works for the good of all who love him, who are called according to his purpose. So, only those who live in this sort of grace-filled relationship with God avoid hell. And all those who live in this sort of grace-filled relationship with God will avoid hell.
Maybe that clears things up. I think we got off down two different ways of thinking and that caused the confusion. Hope it was only temporary.
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Greetings Gene, no problem. it is only temporary.
A current hang up is the way Christians and Muslims view works and faith.
I think for an analogy we need to look at Faith and works as being the two sides of the same coin. You just can not have a one sided coin and have it to be a coin of value.
We are both looking at what is the proper way to pick up the coin.
As a Muslim I believe I need to do good works, but without faith those works are almost useless, however, they can be a means to help us develop stronger faith.
If I recall correctly a Christian would say that all the is needed is faith, but because of faith the Christian will do good works and it is the faith that brings about the good works.
We believe that there are gradations of both Heaven and Hell, with most true Muslims (only Allah knows our hearts) going directly to Heaven. However, there will be some Muslims whose bad deeds (or their intentions) outweigh their good deeds on Allah's Divinely Just balance scale. These Muslims will be sent to Hell, but after a period of punishment, they will be brought out of the fire - if they died as believers in the Oneness of God.
With that said there is an Hadith Qudsi (Sacred):
"Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed."
I agree with this statement.
Our salvation is not based on "earning" it, but your comments do point to the fact that we have a delicate balance between fear and hope that guides our lives. We try to minimize the bad and maximize the good, but it is struggle. In the end we count on the Mercy of Allah, but still we strive the best we can in this life.
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Salaam/peace ,
---If one offers sincere repentance ( that is ask forgiveness & promise not to repeat the mistake ) , then his/her sin is supposed to be forgiven as promised by God in Quran .
When sin is removed , s/he can surely by the Grace of God Almighty can expect to have a ticket to the Garden
without staying in fire If one dies without repentance , all sin may or may not be forgiven except the sin of blashphemy & may be , killers of innocent people can end up in hell forever , too......i m not 100 % sure though. But other sinners are expected to enter paradise in some day
---there is a warning in Bible that ( not the exact words ) : don't call ur bro foolish or u will go to hell......does it mean that just calling someone foolish even once , a Christian can go to hell forever ?????
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