Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Kashnowe]

--I found it strange that Jews don't respect Jesus (p) & Mother Mary (p) , still Christians feel so close with them . Muslims love & respect both mom & son , still Christians don't like us much ---- ( those who do , pl. exclude urselves & this is not to hurt anyone's feelings......i just always found it very strange )

very good point there. yup confusing.

i think the reason for this is because christians learn from the old and new testament. and of course Jesus was a jew and his heritiage is such. and they become comfortable and familiar with it. i mean how can we not get alongwith jews if jesus was a jew right? sounds logical. and correct me if i am wrong but i think christians believe that jews will get to heaven too. this i never understood either.

in america atleast there is sooooo much ignorance about islam. especially pre- 9/11 many many americans heard that the planes crashed 'in the name of Allah' and they became curious as to what islam was all about. before that not many people knew...........and unfortunately what we did hear on the news and what not was the bad connotations islam had in the world affairs...........of course no one reports on all of the wonderful peacful people living and practicing islam. i know i am speaking for the whole country here but this is my insight.

like me for instance. i had no clue about islam until last year. now i find myself fascinated by it because of the fact that it accepts Jesus and Mary and all the o ther prophets..............and many other factors too.

so when being raised a christian you don't usually here 'oh by the way there was this guy Mohammed......' nope the stories stop at Jesus.

i don't question that Mohammed existed. i really don't know enough at the moment to draw any other conclusions.

i also know i worked with muslims for years and foudn them all to be wonderful sincere nice whole hearted people. some are faithful some are not. hey people are people wherever you go. soooooo many christians just might not get the chance to know muslims.

 

[Grace Seeker]

If you had access to a time machine, but could only take one trip in for 24 hours of observation only, and not any type of interaction, what day in history (not the future) would you want to observe first-hand?

 

[Muslim Knight]

But I have heard others here say that Ibrahim was, in their view, a Muslim?

Ibrahim (peace be upon him) is a Muslim in the sense that he is in total submission to the Will of God.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

And I that one day, InshaAllah, you will be a Christian. Amen.

hehehehehe, hahahahahaha.

what if both groups here ( Muslims & Christians ) pray for each other & God accepts prayers of both ???

LOL.

So , Let's pray like that O God , pl. guide those who are on the wrong path , let us not commit the shirk/blashphemy , Ameen, Ameen, Ameen.

 

[syilla]

Salaam/peace;



hehehehehe, hahahahahaha.

what if both groups here ( Muslims & Christians ) pray for each other & God accepts prayers of both ???

LOL.

So , Let's pray like that O God , pl. guide those who are on the wrong path , let us not commit the shirk/blashphemy , Ameen, Ameen, Ameen.

;p

Ameen....guide us to the right path and let us not commit the shirk.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

If you had access to a time machine, but could only take one trip in for 24 hours of observation only, and not any type of interaction, what day in history (not the future) would you want to observe first-hand?

oh nooooooo , why u r giving us so little option ? I have to see many things. In 24 hours , i think , i can manage to see many events


ok , i will visit the night journey of the Last Prophet (p) .




taking online friends are allowed ? Then i will take my Jews & Christians freinds with me ; so that they can meet their Prophets there ....i.e Moses , Aaron, Abraham , Jesus (pbut ) & can clarify the religious debates they have with Muslims .

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

But I have heard others here say that Ibrahim was, in their view, a Muslim?

--we believe that all Prophets (pbut ) were Muslims as they surrendered themselves to one God.

Guess I'm in big trouble then. I think I know too much to get in under the ignorance rule.

ya , i guess so :rollseyes

And while so many principles make sense, the Quran's denial of the truth (in my opinion the truth) of Jesus' crucifixion,

---- In Islam , the most imp matter is God is only one . To my knowledge , Jesus (p) also taught u so . So , Quran is teaching us the most imp Truth ........ . I hope , we both groups agree here ?

 

[YusufNoor]

If you had access to a time machine, but could only take one trip in for 24 hours of observation only, and not any type of interaction, what day in history (not the future) would you want to observe first-hand?

Peace Gene,

that's a hard one for a Muslim! there are so many wonderous things about Islam, the Qur'an and Seerah!

of course, these boards make one whish one was there when Jesus/Isa WASN'T crucified! it would help in this section a whole lot!!

number one though, to be at the kutbah where the Rasulullah(saws) repeated the words: "today I have perfected your Religion and have chosen Islam for you"

it's a mixture of joy and sadness as it also marked the near end of the Rasulullah's earthly tenure...

 

[MustafaMc]

But I have heard others here say that Ibrahim was, in their view, a Muslim?

Yes, he believed in the One God (no son, daughter, partner, etc.) and submitted his will to the One God.

Guess I'm in big trouble then. I think I know too much to get in under the ignorance rule.

I leave the judging to Allah, but according to the Quran, "They disbelieve who say Jesus is the Son of God." Think about it, even Satan believes in the One God, but he is rebellious. It is not enough to just believe in the oneness of God, but rather one must worship Him how He wants to be worshiped as communicated through His prophets. The final message revealed through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is applicabe to all people since the early 7th century.

And while so many principles make sense, the Quran's denial of the truth (in my opinion the truth) of Jesus' crucifixion, means that I cannot ever accept it's teaching or that the one who said it was from God was a true prophet.

Actually, we believe that it is you who are rejecting the Truth stated in the Quran. It is for Allah to guide one to this Truth or to leave him astray.

I find myself praying in the same way you expressed here for my Muslim friends to ultimately receive God's mercy, that I trust those Muslims who care for my eternal soul probably pray for me.

I have never questioned your sincerity, but we believe that prayers offered "in Jesus name" will not be accepted as it is ascribing partners to Allah in worship.

 

[MustafaMc]

So , Let's pray like that O God , pl. guide those who are on the wrong path , let us not commit the shirk/blashphemy , Ameen, Ameen, Ameen.

Yes, sister that is the proper prayer. We should pray that Allah guide those to the Truth who are misguided and those who have gone astray.

 

[MustafaMc]

number one though, to be at the kutbah where the Rasulullah(saws) repeated the words: "today I have perfected your Religion and have chosen Islam for you"

it's a mixture of joy and sadness as it also marked the near end of the Rasulullah's earthly tenure...

Yes, this was my very thought as well. If I could go back to one day in history, I would want to be there on the last pilgrimage to hear the Prophet's (pbuh) final sermon:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I don't know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (Interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for your safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and comitted helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to commit adultery.

O People, listen to me in earnest, whorship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. You are all equal. Nobody has superiority over other except by piety and good action.

Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. Be my witness oh Allah that I have conveyed your message to your people."

and when the ayat Quran 5:3 was revealed ...Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and approved Al-Islam as a Deen (way of life for you)...

That would be the most awe-inspiring day in all of history for me.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Ibrahim (peace be upon him) is a Muslim in the sense that he is in total submission to the Will of God.

By that definition alone, then sincere and practicing Christians also try to live as Muslims.

 

[Grace Seeker]

oh nooooooo , why u r giving us so little option ? I have to see many things. In 24 hours , i think , i can manage to see many events

Why? Because it forces us to prioritize what is really most important to us. And in an effort to learn, I want to know that which is truly central to a person.

 

[Grace Seeker]

of course, these boards make one whish one was there when Jesus/Isa WASN'T crucified! it would help in this section a whole lot!!

Wouldn't help you much. Indeed it might confuse Muslims more. Remember, according to Muslim teaching, the person on the cross appeared to be Jesus. And so it would appear to you, being present in observational mode only, as well.

 

[YusufNoor]

By that definition alone, then sincere and practicing Christians also try to live as Muslims.

ummm, with a wee bit of a difference. we, as Muslims, DO NOT associate partners with Allah(SWT), neither do we say that He(SWT) has wives or children...

BUT, other than SHIRK, YES, you would be right!

however, we, As Muslims, consider SHIRK to be just about the worst sin there is!

now, if you would consider a life without SHIRK! La Illaha Ilah Allah!!

 

[Mohsin]

Guess I'm in big trouble then. I think I know too much to get in under the ignorance rule. And while so many principles make sense, the Quran's denial of the truth (in my opinion the truth) of Jesus' crucifixion, means that I cannot ever accept it's teaching or that the one who said it was from God was a true prophet.

Salam

If I'm not mistaken, I think islam says the crucifixion did take place, but it wasn't jesus who was crucified. Maybe somebody else can post the verses, but I read God put the likeness of Jesus PBUH onto another man, one of his disciples I think, and instead he was crucified, and so it was made to appear to the people at the time that Jesus pbuh was crucified.

Also, why do you consider it so important that Jesus had to have been crucified? Is it because of your belief that we are born in sin, and jesus had to die on the cross for our sins to be forgiven, or is it another reason?

Wsalam

 

[YusufNoor]

Wouldn't help you much. Indeed it might confuse Muslims more. Remember, according to Muslim teaching, the person on the cross appeared to be Jesus. And so it would appear to you, being present in observational mode only, as well.

Peace Gene,

you seem to forget, we, as Muslims AREN'T confused to start with!
we KNOW 1+1+1=3!!mg:

 

[Grace Seeker]

Also, why do you consider it so important that Jesus had to have been crucified? Is it because of your belief that we are born in sin, and jesus had to die on the cross for our sins to be forgiven, or is it another reason?

Wsalam

Because the resurrection is the touch stone of our faith.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Peace Gene,

you seem to forget, we, as Muslims AREN'T confused to start with!
we KNOW 1+1+1=3!!mg:

You are confused if you think I ever said that it didn't.
I said that 1X1X1=1.

 

[ummzayd]

Wouldn't help you much. Indeed it might confuse Muslims more. Remember, according to Muslim teaching, the person on the cross appeared to be Jesus. And so it would appear to you, being present in observational mode only, as well.

this was a very interesting thread and it's good to see that there can be discussion of differences of opinion without bad feeling, alhamdulillah.

Grace Seeker, I can understand that the Muslim view of the crucifixion might seem unsatisfactory to a Christian. It might seem that from the Islamic point of view a new (false) religion of Christianity was brought about by a deception practised by God, who made it look like Jesus (a.s.) was crucified. (if that is not what you meant please correct me).

My understanding is that those who sought to kill Jesus a.s. were deceived, not his true followers. From a biblical point of view it would certainly seem that Christianity was instituted by those who never even met Jesus a.s., and it seems to be generally accepted that the new testament was mainly written by people other than the disciples of Jesus a.s.

Certainly the resurrection (of the person crucified) is not supported by the qur'an and we (Muslims) therefore believe that it didn't happen. So those who spread this false story (sorry that is what we believe) of a resurrection are responsible for that.

does any of that make sense?

Ummzayd