Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Muslim Woman]

If a person goes to Hajj as a guest by his/her Govt. or Saudi Govt. , is that ok ? Must s/he offer hajj again by spending own money ?

 

[alcurad]

it's ok, he doesn't need to offer his own.

 

[Grace Seeker]

So, is it appropriate for me to make this as a gift to my daughter who is a Muslim? I don't mean accompanying her to Hajj, I know that would not be allowed since I am not Muslim. But would that be considered a considerate gesture on my part to pay for that experience for her as a present, or is that me not respecting personal boundaries and overstepping my place since I am not a Muslim?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Wa 'Alaykum As-salaam That makes sense too. I think this proves that it is always important to go back to the original Arabic to ensure that the correct meaning is understood. I read some articles on the Islamqa website which apply it to proper photographs as well though.

When sources of authority in Islam disagree, sort of like what we have here regarding the acceptaablity of photographs for purposes that are not related to worship, how is the faithful Muslim to determine what is or is not right to do?

 

[aamirsaab]

When sources of authority in Islam disagree, sort of like what we have here regarding the acceptaablity of photographs for purposes that are not related to worship, how is the faithful Muslim to determine what is or is not right to do?

We are taught as a general rule to err on the side of caution. Or in simpler terms: if there is doubt, do without.

 

[alcurad]

^not so brother, rather the sources never disagree, if they do, then an error was made. it could be in the transmission of certain narrations, or their context and so on.

NB:unfortunately the science of hadeeth has been going down hill since the days of al Bukhari, and too much has earned 'accepted' status, while the earlier more rigorous scholars didn't do so. add to that blind following of sect instead of following the sources, and you have situations where there is seeming contradiction/disagreement.

 

[Ali_008]

So, is it appropriate for me to make this as a gift to my daughter who is a Muslim? I don't mean accompanying her to Hajj, I know that would not be allowed since I am not Muslim. But would that be considered a considerate gesture on my part to pay for that experience for her as a present, or is that me not respecting personal boundaries and overstepping my place since I am not a Muslim?

That'd be the best gift that you can give to your daughter and Inshallah you'll get abundant reward for it yourself. Usually it is believed that a man must perform Hajj with his own money and must take care of her wife's Hajj as well, financially. In this case, you've used the perfect word, "gift", to express yourself and definitely there can't be two thoughts about that. Go ahead with it. May Allah guide and bless you.

When sources of authority in Islam disagree, sort of like what we have here regarding the acceptaablity of photographs for purposes that are not related to worship, how is the faithful Muslim to determine what is or is not right to do?

Its not the sources that disagree, to begin with. The ultimate sources of wisdom are the Glorious Qur'an and the Saheeh Hadeeth and the Ahadeeth are rather the commentary of the Qur'an. There's no conflict between them. Differences actually arise out from the scholars who hold different opinions and interpret each Ayat and each Ahadeeth in every possible way. It doesn't mean that they try to manipulate or exploit or anything like that. Since centuries some great scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) and Ibn Al-Qayyim (rahimahullah) have passed down great pearls of wisdom just by giving their understanding to particular matters of faith. The scholars try their best to help the Ummah but sometimes some of them err. The Qur'an in itself is such a wonderful book that nobody will ever be able to comprehend its complete meaning. Every time it is read,you realise that each verse has meaning which can implemented for more and more situations. I don't how to express it. In simple words, its wisdom never ends.

 

[Muslim Woman]

it's ok, he doesn't need to offer his own.

Thanks bro for the ans but can u explain more . In Bangladesh , some persons are selected for Hajj on political ground. Those who are involved with Govt. party or close relatives of President , Prime Minister or political leaders , they go to Hajj on the cost of Govt though they are rich .

Some people are Govt. officials or writers , journalists . Some of them can afford and some can't afford Hajj. So , it's ok for all of them to perform hajj by not spending own money ? Is there any such related hadith or fatwa U read ?

 

[جوري]

True - The irony is that this has been brought up quite a few times and has been dealt with - and most of the time people dont actualy know the full story - so you have to correct them about the whole incident.

Indeed.. except, they have no interest in being corrected.. the fellow 'knows everything' -- I have come to conclude like those before me. Br. MustafaMC and Imam and Woodrow that it is a complete waste of time..

I deluded myself that when I paste referenced articles and meaningful discussions that it would actually be read and understood.. but, such folks have no interest in opposition.. the same as the 'flat earth society', they'd rather bury their head in the sand while peddling a few pithy comments..

Pithy Phrase is a walking compendium of famous quotations and wise adages. Of course, he will never add anything original to the discussion, but because most discussion forums communicate through email he can take his time to thumb through books of quotes and find les mots justes for every situation. Er...didn't Winston Churchill say, "It's a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations."? Digital forums are a gift to the slow witted (I said that)

 

[Zafran]

Indeed.. except, they have no interest in being corrected.. the fellow 'knows everything' -- I have come to conclude like those before me. Br. MustafaMC and Imam and Woodrow that it is a complete waste of time..

I deluded myself that when I paste referenced articles and meaningful discussions that it would actually be read and understood.. but, such folks have no interest in opposition.. the same as the 'flat earth society', they'd rather bury their head in the sand while peddling a few pithy comments..

Pithy Phrase is a walking compendium of famous quotations and wise adages. Of course, he will never add anything original to the discussion, but because most discussion forums communicate through email he can take his time to thumb through books of quotes and find les mots justes for every situation. Er...didn't Winston Churchill say, "It's a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations."? Digital forums are a gift to the slow witted (I said that)

Some people just argue for the sake of argumnet - You can post has many soures as you want - some people wont bother checking them - you just have to leave them with there own ignorance in that case. A pity realy.

 

[Grace Seeker]

This is frankly ridiculous, if you don't have any proof that Jews where in Yathrib, as you suggest by asking this question, then all the Islamic sources that refer to them being there must therefore be untrustworthy.

Hugo, are you genuinely curious about the issues here, or just caught up in a debate? We don't have to accept the answers given as being true or even reasonable, but I think that we do have to accept them as being the answers held by those you are asking them of.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Re: Sourcs, what are they?

Beliefs are ones own, at last we can agree on something but beliefs if they are worth anything are rationally arrived at in some way.

Huge, there is much more to the Qur'an and hadeeth then using the search feature to pick and choose what you want from it. And I am not referring to you after reading your posts on this thread, rather your general contribution. Grace Seekers post has hit the nail on the spot so please pay heed to it as this is how you generally address your issues, aimless criticism without the intention of really getting anywhere.

And please refrain form calling Madinah as 'Yathrib'. This is the old, perhaps derogatory name of this city and we do not refer to it by that name anymore. You are advised to refrain from calling it by that name and to call it from it's proper name which is Madinah.

 

[YusufNoor]

With all of the massive posts written above I still don't know what the actual question is. Can anyone help clarify for me the issue in question in a post of less than 10,000 words?

i was answering this statement:

For example, I have no issue with someone who accepts Ishmael as a prophet but I do want to see the basis of such a claim and I do expect some rationality in the answers not a blind "this is the answer".

i'm not saying it belongs in this thread, but all of as sudden there it was. just waiting to be addressed.

i actually quoted it in the reply so as to save any confusion.

 

[Grace Seeker]

i was answering this statement:

i'm not saying it belongs in this thread, but all of as sudden there it was. just waiting to be addressed.

i actually quoted it in the reply so as to save any confusion.

Gotcha. And thanks for clarifying.


Now, I've got something else that comes from the North Korea thread in World News. The following is a PM in response to North Korea's threat to wipe the USA of the map:

You seem to be disappointed on this, hun? US will have to change his policies or otherwise, she will herself go out of the map. I don't expect much from muslims still I hope someday someone will come and teach her the lesson, Inshallah. this can b NK

[emphasis added]

The person sending it identifies himself/herself as a Muslim. So, that means that we have a Muslim hoping that someday someone will come and teach the US a lesson that, Inshallah, wipes the US off the face of the earth. How does that wish represent the teaching of one who lives a life of Islam?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

... Inshallah, wipes the US off the face of the earth. How does that wish represent the teaching of one who lives a life of Islam?

Muslims are not allowed to hate anyone just because of his/her country etc. Some Muslims forget that there is a difference between hating US's foreign policy & hating US/ all Americans.

 

[Grace Seeker]

And Hugo, I ask how this debate over the authorship of Genesis or the role of Isaac has anything to do with Islam? It seems it is about Judaism and maybe the views of some Muslims toward the Bible but it isn't really anything that expresses curiousity about Islam.

So, if you can't let it go; then, please, take it outside!! Take it outside this thread.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I have deleted some posts as this thread was about to derail completely off track. May I please request those whose posts have been deleted to create a new thread and to discuss and debate only if you are sincere to learn.

I am sure we have other things to do with our time and so the moderators so please be mindful of your contribution.

 

[Follower]

Abd-al Latif- I was truly curious about what I asked which is the title of this thread.

Is it improper to ask a muslim the question about the location of the other messages?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Abd-al Latif- I was truly curious about what I asked which is the title of this thread.

Is it improper to ask a muslim the question about the location of the other messages?

No, ask ahead.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I have to admit that I found one of Follower's questions intriguing. He mentioned something about Hagar being viewed in Islam as having been an Egyptian princess. Is this so? I mean is this something that Muslims actually believe? If so, what is the source for those beliefs?


And, not one of Follower's questions, but mine, and if it is so, how does an Egyptian princess end up as the servant of a foreign nomad?