Things in Islam I am curious about...

Did you find any other position in this thread contrary to this article?
I can say that I have indeed seen people in this thread, people who I believe to be sincere Muslims trying to follow Islam, state positions with regard to music that do run contrary to this article. Thus far they are in the minority, but they are enough to be a significant voice and often are able to cite others in authority. It seems that there are various interpretations and understandings of application with regard to the relevant passages. Thus, without giving a conclusive opinion for or against music, I don't think the issue is as clear as the author of the article would like for us to believe.
 
I am truly curiouos as to why muslims don't study and critique the formation/compilation of the Quran and hadith the way they do they Holy Bible.

Is it because you are afraid you are attacking Allah's words?

Are you worried that you are questioning Mohammad's behavior?

If that had been the case then the Qur'an would've gotten corrupted centuries ago and it'd be like the other scriptures. The compilation of the Qur'an was in the presence of Prophet Muhammad :saws: and after his death during the caliphate of Hadhrat 'Umar (RadhiAllahu Anhu) the Sahaba started to make more copies of the Qur'an to take it to other parts of the world and teach it to the people. Bible doesn't even need such study because the church priests/pastors/fathers themselves agree that there are many verses in the Bible that have been corrupted and there have been man-made additions to the Bible. The Qur'an is one, there is no version A, version B of the Qur'an but the Bible has more than 50 versions in English alone. Even the Ahadeeth have gone through extensive research. I presume that you're not aware of "The Science of Hadeeth" which categorizes the Hadeeth according to their authenticity. The Hadeeth were compiled century(s) after the death of the Prophet :saws: and so their authenticity is being appraised ever since and Alhamdulillah the results have been positive.
 
For all those people that keep asking about Music, I'd say Music has become so big just because of people getting addicted to it. Its like smoking, you enjoy and you keep wanting it. Music isn't something dear and noble. Its made by millions of people everyday. I was a music addict myself and I used to listen to all kinds of songs but slowly I started getting away from Music. I didn't run away from music, music left me. I used to listen to music when I was free or upset but when I started with Islam I was neither free nor upset :) and slowly I realised that it had been months since I played and heard a song. Now when I listen to music I get distracted and have no affection, whatsoever, for it. I don't miss it either. Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah. It has been said a million times before and I'd just repeat it, Music is unnecessary (like smoking) and we must realize that life is possible without it. :D
 
I almost fear asking this question, for I can imagine either someone taking offence, even when it is not intended, or even more likely it producing a plethora of people who simply want to argue (on both or more sides) and never really address what I'm trying to ask. But I'm going to risk it anyway, in the hopes that someone might educate me.

(Please, my Christian brothers and sisters, don't turn this into a debate thread. That is not the purpose of my question.)


One of the things that I see frequently on this board is that Muslims attack the Bible and defend the Qur'an by referencing the supposed unknown authors of the Bible while there is the assertion that one can trace the Qur'an directly back to Muhammad (pbuh) in a clear and unbreakable line. But that raises my question. So what?

How does tracing the Qur'an back to Muhammad get one back to the author of the Qur'an? For Islam also makes it clear that Muhammad is not the author, but Allah is.


Ultimately, what, besides Muhammad's own testimony that he received the Qur'an from Allah or the personal opinion of many that it is such a beautifully written book that no human could have composed it, do we have to substantiate that Allah is indeed the author of the Qur'an?


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Sorry. I guess that is actually more like three questions. If you want to focus on one, just focus on the "So what?" question.
 
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This might be a trivial statement, but I strongly believe that on the subject of music the individual Muslim knows in his heart whether or not he/she should not listen to it, only they truly know if it will lead to haraam things. Rule of thumb...if it feels bad you know it probably is
 
I almost fear asking this question, for I can imagine either someone taking offence, even when it is not intended, or even more likely it producing a plethora of people who simply want to argue (on both or more sides) and never really address what I'm trying to ask. But I'm going to risk it anyway, in the hopes that someone might educate me.

(Please, my Christian brothers and sisters, don't turn this into a debate thread. That is not the purpose of my question.)


One of the things that I see frequently on this board is that Muslims attack the Bible and defend the Qur'an by referencing the supposed unknown authors of the Bible while there is the assertion that one can trace the Qur'an directly back to Muhammad (pbuh) in a clear and unbreakable line. But that raises my question. So what?

How does tracing the Qur'an back to Muhammad get one back to the author of the Qur'an? For Islam also makes it clear that Muhammad is not the author, but Allah is.


Ultimately, what, besides Muhammad's own testimony that he received the Qur'an from Allah or the personal opinion of many that it is such a beautifully written book that no human could have composed it, do we have to substantiate that Allah is indeed the author of the Qur'an?


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Sorry. I guess that is actually more like three questions. If you want to focus on one, just focus on the "So what?" question.

Seriously, I couldn't understand what you're asking here?
 
Grace Seeker,

The belief that the Qur'an is divinely revealed is not based solely on the basis that it is 'beautiful'. It's language and style is just one aspect of it's miraculous nature and indeed many converted to Islam simply upon hearing the Qur'an being recited, despite the fact that the Arabs had already reached the peak of eloquence at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). You can imagine then, that this Qur'an would have to be something miraculous for people to actually convert to Islam just by hearing it. Other aspects of it's miraculous nature include:

- Predictions which later came true
- The stories of previous prophets contained in the Qur'an which the prophet had no recourse to.
- Accurate information which is consistent with scientific knowledge only discovered later.

There are more but I'm in a rush. All of this indicates that the Qur'an can only have had a divine source.
 
One of the things that I see frequently on this board is that Muslims attack the Bible and defend the Qur'an by referencing the supposed unknown authors of the Bible while there is the assertion that one can trace the Qur'an directly back to Muhammad (pbuh) in a clear and unbreakable line. But that raises my question. So what?

While there are many reasons we Muslims constantly reference the authenticity of the Qur'an and the saheeh ahadith, one of the most important reasons is because if God is going to send a message, then one needs to be certain that human beings did not toy around with that message throughout time. Especially if it's going to serve as a building block for your life and worship. This alone does not prove it came from a Divine source, but it does make a good case in support of such conclusion when using additional evidences and proofs.


How does tracing the Qur'an back to Muhammad get one back to the author of the Qur'an? For Islam also makes it clear that Muhammad is not the author, but Allah is.

Tracing it back, in addition to what I mentioned above, allows us to conclude that it came from the most trustworthy source. Now, this alone is not used as proof for the Qur'an's Divine Origin. Rather, it is used as supplementary evidence. So summing with the first point I made, we can verify that this Book is unchanged over 1400 years, and it was revealed to a very trustworthy person (as verified by authentic hadith). Again, these two points alone do not prove Divinity, but they build to make a strong claim when paired with other evidences.

Ultimately, what, besides Muhammad's own testimony that he received the Qur'an from Allah or the personal opinion of many that it is such a beautifully written book that no human could have composed it, do we have to substantiate that Allah is indeed the author of the Qur'an?

So now we get to the meat of the matter, so to speak. We have the above two evidences as strong reason to believe that we have the book in its original form and that it came from a very reliable source. But we haven't even touched on what the Book is about or what it says.

This is a matter that is discussed in numerous threads, but to sum up the main proofs for the Divinity of the Qur'an based upon its contents:

1) Looking through the history of the Arabs we know they were a people engaged in prose and poetry and that the Qur'an came at the height of this period. It defied categorization into either poetry, prose, or both: it came down as something unique altogether. The Arabs could not challenge it or produce something like it. This is still evident today, as you can see many laughable attempts to challenge the Qur'an, many of which blatantly copy whole passages from the Qur'an. It also speaks with such confidence about things such as predictions of the future, describing the natural world, and historical events not known at the time. There is also amazing consistency and connection between the chapters of the Qur'an, and given that it was revealed of 23 years like a jigsaw puzzle is quite a feat in itself.

2) I'm not going to get into the scientific proofs in detail (because once those are mentioned the thread will probably spiral out of control), but suffice it to say there are some very strong descriptions in the Qur'an about the natural world that could not be made by someone in the 7th century, no less an Arab with no education or knowledge of the world outside Arabia.

3) There's a saying in the writing world: "write what you know". Usually writers who adhere to this policy end up writing a lot better than when they don't (I know because I used to write fiction quite a bit). The Qur'an is not a book we would expect Muhammad to write. He lived his life in the desert, yet it's a book that talks about so many different types of environments on earth; it talks about the sea and the bottom of the ocean, and the tops of high mountains. He was very much concerned with health and higene, yet the Qur'an makes very little mention to either, except that we need to wash before prayers and that honey is a good cure. It doesn't contain any weird home remedies for diseases or anything of the sort. It's also completely different stylistically from the hadith. I know one very difficult thing to do as a writer is to write two pieces of literature and have them expressed in very different voices. This is especially true for a man who was never a poet, or a speaker of any kind before his prophethood.

4) This Book single-handedly transformed the Arabs from a war-mongering people in the desert that not even the Romans cared to conquer, to a group that would conquer an empire larger than any the world has known for over a thousand years. It made Arabic the lingua franca of the day (much like English is today), got Europe out of the Dark Ages by sparking the Renaissance, gave women rights the West has only come to know 50 years ago, and much more.

Could this have all been accomplished in 23 years by a man who was neither a religious leader, politician, orator, or military leader before the age of 40 without the help of God?

My conclusion: Qur'an = Book from God, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.
 
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Greetings,


Also without trying to be offensive (I may have misunderstood you):

The call to prayer and reciting the Qur'an do have a rhythm. So do our voices when we speak, or our hearts when they beat. Does that make all of those things music and therefore haraam? I think not.

Peace

Look dude , to all NON Muslims
Im gonna say this once...
I like music as much as you guys (beleive me I do)
I used to love Metal...
I used to be crazy about it
But I relised This insesive screaming and banging is keeping me away from my duties as a muslim , including prayer and reading Qur'an
So i deleted all my song on the Ipod my dad got me when I was 14 ,
And i put All qur'an , d3aahs and Islamic stories...
And I became a new person... No more HEAVY METAL FOR ME..
IM NOT TELLING TO DO WHAT I DID, SINCE YOUR CHRISTIAN.
Im saying music like rock and punk , rap and techno keeps muslims distracted and stops them praying and reading Qur'an thats why its better not to listen to it... Im not saying music is Haram.. I dont know maybe it is...
But If its written in the Qur'an then it is Haram... No questions about it
We cant decide WHATS HARAM...ALLAH DOES

END OF STORY
 
Look dude , to all NON Muslims
Im gonna say this once...
I like music as much as you guys (beleive me I do)
I used to love Metal...
I used to be crazy about it
But I relised This insesive screaming and banging is keeping me away from my duties as a muslim , including prayer and reading Qur'an
So i deleted all my song on the Ipod my dad got me when I was 14 ,
And i put All qur'an , d3aahs and Islamic stories...
And I became a new person... No more HEAVY METAL FOR ME..
IM NOT TELLING TO DO WHAT I DID, SINCE YOUR CHRISTIAN.
Im saying music like rock and punk , rap and techno keeps muslims distracted and stops them praying and reading Qur'an thats why its better not to listen to it... Im not saying music is Haram.. I dont know maybe it is...
But If its written in the Qur'an then it is Haram... No questions about it
We cant decide WHATS HARAM...ALLAH DOES

END OF STORY
Interesting to hear your story but may I add that there are many things other than music that can keep us from our devotions and service to God. For example, sport, cooking, dancing, video, tiredness, TV and so on.

One might also point out that even the most holy of things can be used inappropriately and that includes the Qu'ran. For example, a 17 minute film was released in Holland called 'fitna' which most Muslims regard as offensive even though it contains several quotations from the Qu'ran. It is therefore important it seems to me that we do not confuse or blame the 'thing' instead of our own wilfulness, neglect, misunderstanding or hatred.

It is also true that there are a host of things that can bring us closer to God and make our devotions deeper and in my opinion music is one of the things that can do that.

In summary: the Scriptures are not just something containing between the covers of a book no matter how beautifully ornamented or expensive or revered it might be. Scripture, if it is to mean anything at all must be something that is living and real in our lives. Interestingly the Bible talks about the Scriptures being written on our hearts so that they are known and read by all men meaning as we read and absorb God's revelation through his word it should have an impact on our lives for our good and for the good of others, if it does not, then one wonders if we have any real faith at all.

There's also a passage in the new Testament that says: (James 1:27 MSG) 26-27 Anyone who sets himself up as "religious" by talking a good game is self-deceived. This kind of religion is hot air and only hot air. Real religion, the kind that passes muster before God the Father, is this: Reach out to the homeless and loveless in their plight, and guard against corruption from the godless world.
 
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Interesting to hear your story but may I add that there are many things other than music that can keep us from our devotions and service to God. For example, sport, cooking, dancing, video, tiredness, TV and so on.
Althoug this has been explained to you, from the muslim point of view, before in this and other forums you don't seem to see it the way we do.
When we listen to the Qur'an it runs in our head all the time, just like when you listen to a song for a long time, if we do this with music it distracts us in prayer while reciting the Qur'an from memory, it starts creeping into our head.
On the other hand when the Qur'an runs in one's head he remembers ALLAH(swt) as much as possible most of the time and this prevents him from doing sins.


One might also point out that even the most holy of things can be used inappropriately and that includes the Qu'ran. For example, a 17 minute film was released in Holland called 'fitna' which most Muslims regard as offensive even though it contains several quotations from the Qu'ran. It is therefore important it seems to me that we do not confuse or blame the 'thing' instead of our own wilfulness, neglect, misunderstanding or hatred.

Are you messing around or you want to have a serious discussion?

The film contained "scenes" of actions done by certain individuals, how does this relate to our discussion about the Qur'an and its recitation.


It is also true that there are a host of things that can bring us closer to God and make our devotions deeper and in my opinion music is one of the things that can do that.

you are entitled to your opinion, and so is emperor.
Do you want to forcefully convince muslims to listen to music?.
Listening to certain types of music might be ok(like lullabies for babies and kid songs for children), but definitely never to be incorporated in prayer


In summary: the Scriptures are not just something containing between the covers of a book no matter how beautifully ornamented or expensive or revered it might be. Scripture, if it is to mean anything at all must be something that is living and real in our lives. Interestingly the Bible talks about the Scriptures being written on our hearts so that they are known and read by all men meaning as we read and absorb God's revelation through his word it should have an impact on our lives for our good and for the good of others, if it does not, then one wonders if we have any real faith at all.

There's also a passage in the new Testament that says: (James 1:27 MSG) 26-27 Anyone who sets himself up as "religious" by talking a good game is self-deceived. This kind of religion is hot air and only hot air. Real religion, the kind that passes muster before God the Father, is this: Reach out to the homeless and loveless in their plight, and guard against corruption from the godless world.

And why are you telling us this???
 
Althoug this has been explained to you, from the muslim point of view, before in this and other forums you don't seem to see it the way we do. When we listen to the Qur'an it runs in our head all the time, just like when you listen to a song for a long time, if we do this with music it distracts us in prayer while reciting the Qur'an from memory, it starts creeping into our head. On the other hand when the Qur'an runs in one's head he remembers ALLAH(swt) as much as possible most of the time and this prevents him from doing sins.

Hugo - I think you are missing the point, that is ANYTHING can get in the way or distract you and in that sense there is nothing special about music. The fact that you in prayer do not want to hear say Music at the same time does not mean that for someone else it could not be a blessing and enhance their prayers. For example, Skye posted a kind of slide show with some beautiful pictures and Qu'ran recitation and she felt it to be a source of blessing. Surely this is obvious?

One might also point out that even the most holy of things can be used inappropriately and that includes the Qu'ran. For example, a 17 minute film was released in Holland called 'fitna' which most Muslims regard as offensive even though it contains several quotations from the Qu'ran. It is therefore important it seems to me that we do not confuse or blame the 'thing' instead of our own wilfulness, neglect, misunderstanding or hatred.

Are you messing around or you want to have a serious discussion?

Hugo - no there is no messing around and again you miss the point. The view I was expressing was simply that reciting scripture will not bring automatic blessing, its when it enters shall we say our hearts and motivates the way we live and work that brings blessing to ourselves and others. Do you agree? If not you have to agree that when the Qu'ran is recited in the film fitna it brought blessing and honoured God.

The film contained "scenes" of actions done by certain individuals, how does this relate to our discussion about the Qur'an and its recitation. It is also true that there are a host of things that can bring us closer to God and make our devotions deeper and in my opinion music is one of the things that can do that.

you are entitled to your opinion, and so is emperor. Do you want to forcefully convince muslims to listen to music?. Listening to certain types of music might be ok(like lullabies for babies and kid songs for children), but definitely never to be incorporated in prayer

Hugo - why would I or anyone want to force you to listen to music, its a personal choice. One might note in passing that the Bible is full of prayers offered as songs including ones by Moses and of course the Psalms of David such as Psalm 150 (NIV)
1 Praise the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.


In summary: the Scriptures are not just something containing between the covers of a book no matter how beautifully ornamented or expensive or revered it might be. Scripture, if it is to mean anything at all must be something that is living and real in our lives. Interestingly the Bible talks about the Scriptures being written on our hearts so that they are known and read by all men meaning as we read and absorb God's revelation through his word it should have an impact on our lives for our good and for the good of others, if it does not, then one wonders if we have any real faith at all.

There's also a passage in the new Testament that says: (James 1:27 MSG) 26-27 Anyone who sets himself up as "religious" by talking a good game is self-deceived. This kind of religion is hot air and only hot air. Real religion, the kind that passes muster before God the Father, is this: Reach out to the homeless and loveless in their plight, and guard against corruption from the godless world.
And why are you telling us this???

I told you this to make my point that God has revealed his word to us not just to be passive reciters of it but to show that he intends that its outworking is in changed lives, lives offered in his service and to his praise.
 
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Muslims are suggested to follow prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasalam. But some Muslims thinking it including follow his dress, how he ate, etc. Because he was lived in Arab culture, these Muslims also adopt Arab culture.
Muslims are also suggested to give names of Sahabaah to their children. And because Sahabaah were Arabs, of course those names are Arab names.
This causing a wrong perception, Islam is Arab religion.
The above comment, made in another thread, raises one of the issues I find curious in Islam. Why is there this imitation of Muhammed (pbuh)? Now, I know the basic answer to this question is going to be because he lived the "perfect" Islamic life, so of course if one seeks to do so as well, one would do well to imitate Muhammad (p). As far as that goes, I get it. But I see this type of imitation carried out to the point that if it was believed Muhammad wiggled his finger in prayer, then many Muslims also attempt to imitate that wiggling of their finger as well. This is the part I don't get. The using of Muhammad (p) as a model for one's lifestyle and habits I get, but when imitation becomes not modeling but mimicry that is when I don't get it. Now, maybe many Muslims also think this is overkill, but is there another explanation besides overkill for it?
 
it is overkill many times, this is from the mindset of 'following' without understanding that emerged when most Muslims began leaving their original teachings and invented many sects, but what you call wiggling the finger-lol?-is part of the prayer, since prayer is specifically taken from how the prophet prayed, ate last the 'official' prayers are like that.

it's not really 'wiggling the finger', rather raising it to affirm oneness of god and so on when sitting during the prayer, when the declaration of faith is uttered. actually there is no evidence for raising it only when the name of God or the declaration is/are said, rather it is raised throughout the declaration, what is called 'tashahhud' in Arabic. some mistakenly do it only when they say the declaration, but this is not in agreement with what the ahadeeth indicate nor what the four Imams said.

but yes, it does seem slightly strange to me at least how some vigorously move it about, habits die hard I guess. it might be that when the finger is raised and held in that position, it is hard to keep it entirely from moving, try to do it and you'll notice that it slightly moves in place, thus some might have taken that to be part of the prayer while it is not, though this is just speculation form my part, the prophet never said anything about it as far as I know.
also some say it is to be pointed in the direction of prayer-Qibla in Arabic- instead of being pointed upwards.

pointing generally has significance for the obvious reason that it is 'affirming' what is said, see this:
http://judaism.about.com/od/shabbatprayersblessings/f/torah_pointing.htm as you can see it is somewhat common in Judaism in a similar context.
 
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I wonder how many other things (in not just Islam, but all religions, or anything that is tradition filled) are like that? There is a reason for some aspect of it, but the reasoning gets forgotten and only the "importance" to do it is carried forward, often being modified in the process.


Though unrelated to the above, I share with you this story of how it happened in one family:
The couple had come to me for pre-marital counseling. As they planned the wedding with all the "something borrowed, something blue" stuff they were doing, the bride mentioned they needed to by a gold cord for the foot of the bed. The groom asked what for and the bride said that she didn't know, but that it was customary and wanted me to explain it. Well, I had never heard of such a thing. But the young woman insisted that all married couple were supposed to have a cord at the end of their bed, everyone in her family did. She would ask her mother and let me know the next time we met.

Well, true enough mom and her older sister both had cords at the foot of their bed, but neither knew why. Mom had grown up with it and sister had started it when she got married and had her own house. Since sister had learned it from mom they suggested asking grandma. Grandma laughed. It had begun with her mother. When great-grandma was a little girl her father had brought home a dog. Now this dog had a habit of making a mess of the house at night, so grandpa would tie it with a belt at night to the end of the bed. It worked so well, that with the next dog they repeated the process till it became the pattern even when the dogs were well behaved. Then one day the father and dog were hit and killed by a passing car. Well the woman was so heartbroken and simply couldn't sleep at night. Then one day as she was packing up her husband's things she was handling his belt and remembered all the good times from years before. She tied the belt back to the bed and it seemed to help her rest. A few years later the great-grandmother died and her daughter (my parishoner's grandmother) had the job of cleaning up that house. She too had memories fromt he old belt and chose to take it home with her. Her children grew up seeing that belt tied to the bed, but she couldn't think of why they would have made it a tradition to pass down. Then the bride's mother chimed in: "Mom, I wanted to be just like you when I was little and I asked for a belt, don't you remember? You put a string temporarily on my bed that night, I think just so I would go to sleep, but you told me that I could hang a man's belt there when I got married." So, she had, but in time had changed it to a fancy cord because she felt a belt looked trashy. And so that is how her daughter came to want a fancy cord, which had originally been a belt, which was there just to keep the dog from messing up the house.
 
The above comment, made in another thread, raises one of the issues I find curious in Islam. Why is there this imitation of Muhammed (pbuh)? Now, I know the basic answer to this question is going to be because he lived the "perfect" Islamic life, so of course if one seeks to do so as well, one would do well to imitate Muhammad (p). As far as that goes, I get it. But I see this type of imitation carried out to the point that if it was believed Muhammad wiggled his finger in prayer, then many Muslims also attempt to imitate that wiggling of their finger as well. This is the part I don't get. The using of Muhammad (p) as a model for one's lifestyle and habits I get, but when imitation becomes not modeling but mimicry that is when I don't get it. Now, maybe many Muslims also think this is overkill, but is there another explanation besides overkill for it?

Peace Gene,

As Bro. Alcurad already said it is often overkill. I find us reverts are the worse at that as we are unsure as to what we should do, so we do our best to mimic what we have read about what Muslims do.

But, about the finger lifting in our prays that is a bonafide part of the prayer, but some do kind of turn it into finger waving. You have to keep in mind salat is not just the words, it is also all of the body motions.
Sort of like a Catholic would not be praying if he did not geneflict at the proper moments.
 
Re: Prophets: Paragons of Virtue?

Just been re-reading Dr Al Azami's, book on the history of the Qu'ranic text (ISBN 9781872531656). On page 47 he speaks of Prophet Mohammed having no control over when and where revelation came. To support this view he gives two examples and here is the first one to be found at the top of the page.

"In the case of some people slandering his wife Aisha, and accusing her of mischief with a Companion, the Prophet received no immediate revelation. In fact he suffered for an entire month because of these rumours before Allah declared her innocent.

"And why did you not (O people), when you heard (the rumours), say, 'It is not right of us to speak of this: glory to You (our Lord) this is a most serious slander" (Qur'an 24:16)​

So a question: if the Qu'ran is timeless and existed before the foundation of the world how can it have such a temporal, and being sceptical without wanting to be disrespectful, convenient revelation as this one?

I ask because Dr Azami offers no commentary and simply presents what I have quoted above?
 
Re: Prophets: Paragons of Virtue?

Just been re-reading Dr Al Azami's, book on the history of the Qu'ranic text (ISBN 9781872531656). On page 47 he speaks of Prophet Mohammed having no control over when and where revelation came. To support this view he gives two examples and here is the first one to be found at the top of the page.

"In the case of some people slandering his wife Aisha, and accusing her of mischief with a Companion, the Prophet received no immediate revelation. In fact he suffered for an entire month because of these rumours before Allah declared her innocent.

"And why did you not (O people), when you heard (the rumours), say, 'It is not right of us to speak of this: glory to You (our Lord) this is a most serious slander" (Qur'an 24:16)​

So a question: if the Qu'ran is timeless and existed before the foundation of the world how can it have such a temporal, and being sceptical without wanting to be disrespectful, convenient revelation as this one?

I ask because Dr Azami offers no commentary and simply presents what I have quoted above?

Are you saying this verse has no other application but to this one particular incident? Quite the contrary; it speaks to all who go around spreading rumors and warns them of how evil it is.

Many of the verses in the Qur'an came down to deal with specific incidents, but the verses are not limited to the scope of any one instance; they continue to apply to mankind time after time.
 
Re: Prophets: Paragons of Virtue?

Salaam/Peace

...Many of the verses in the Qur'an came down to deal with specific incidents, but the verses are not limited to the scope of any one instance; they continue to apply to mankind time after time.


And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).


( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #4)
 
I am muslim and I used to ask the same question. i've always been a music festival junkie and when I heard that music was harram, I felt reluctant to believe it. But then I remembered all the many times I had questioned something in Islam. In the end, I have always found a most logical answer. Allah knows that which we do not.

Music is something many people. yes even most muslims, really enjoy. Music can bring about many beautiful feelings and ideas, but, as Jim Morrison says "When the musics over, turn off the lights". Have you ever realized that when your alone and you listen to beautiful music, when it ends, you feel a bit empty? I personally feel as though I want music to go on forever. See the problem? As muslims we are advised to keep away from things that control us, lets face it, music is addicting.

Also, speaking of Jim Morrison, he is a perfect example of how music can be corrupt. I'll admit it, there was a time when I though the Doors created some of the most beautiful lyrical music ever. Though I still listen to them at times, I can now recognize the message Jim sends to his fans (who worshiped him like an idol).. His message? Utter Chaos. Can you imagine how many people followed the 'Lizard King' as though he had some divine knowledge? Ironic that he was preaching the denial of true knowledge. Chaos is the absence of rationality. People were so infatuated with his dark poetry that they became blinded from rationality. Look at the 'Hippie era'.. music is far more powerful than you think, and people lose themselves in the 'good feeling it brings'. Hippies had some good ideas, but brains too doped up to actually bring peace to the world. With music often times comes drugs, sex, violence, or just a good feeling that you don't want to end.

Jim is only one musical "legend".There are countless others.. I know from experience that music is VERY powerful, and though I love it, I must be careful so that I don't become influenced by it too much. most my friends are musicians but that doesn't make them bad people. Allah created people to be weak so we can repent and learn. If were perfect then we wouldn't be human, we'd be angels ;)

If you want some motivation to lessen the listening time, just imagine how beautiful the music will be in Gena (heaven)! Subanallah!

I hope this answered your question :)
 

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