those who say deen is in the heart

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It's not judging it's advising, I don't get why people get so defense when people state the obvious, it was only due to the fact that allah sent two friends of mine to be blunt with me about my ex jahil life that I actually started practasing so I'd consider my self a revert cause before I'd only know allah by name that's it, I wish I had people on my case 24/7 to keep me in check cause that's the sign of true friendship, so when a person tells u your doing something wrong don't get all defense say alhamdulilah they actually care cause they'd be doing you more harm to watch u go astary.
 
FBI said:
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It's not judging it's advising, I don't get why people get so defense when people state the obvious, it was only due to the fact that allah sent two friends of mine to be blunt with me about my ex jahil life that I actually started practasing so I'd consider my self a revert cause before I'd only know allah by name that's it, I wish I had people on my case 24/7 to keep me in check cause that's the sign of true friendship, so when a person tells u your doing something wrong don't get all defense say alhamdulilah they actually care cause they'd be doing you more harm then watch u go astary.
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Thing is, bluntness can push people away from Islam too.
 
FBI said:
I don't mean in a harsh manner but in a gentle way but straight to the point.
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I agree with you. I wish more people thought that way. Unfortunately, I tend to witness a lot of 'pot calling the kettle black' behaviour in real life, so I've become somewhat jaded.
 
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We should follow the example of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) and explain to people politely that what they're doing is not always the right thing. For example we know the incident of the man who urinated in the masjid, and the other companions were about to hit him, but the Prophet (peace be upon him) told them to let him finish, then he calmly told him that what he did was wrong.

That companion learnt a good lesson and benefitted more from the kindness than harm.


There's a hadith of the Messenger of Allaah;

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

Al-Miqdam ibn Shurayh, quoting his father, said: I asked Aisha about living in the desert. She said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to go to the desert to these rivulets. Once he intended to go to the desert and he sent to me a she-camel from the camel of sadaqah which had not been used for riding so far. He said to me: Aisha! show gentleness, for if gentleness is found in anything, it beautifies it and when it is taken out from anything it damages it.

Sahih Bukhari Book 41, Number 4790
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FBI said:
It's not judging it's advising, I don't get why people get so defense when people state the obvious, it was only due to the fact that allah sent two friends of mine to be blunt with me about my ex jahil life that I actually started practasing so I'd consider my self a revert cause before I'd only know allah by name that's it, I wish I had people on my case 24/7 to keep me in check cause that's the sign of true friendship, so when a person tells u your doing something wrong don't get all defense say alhamdulilah they actually care cause they'd be doing you more harm to watch u go astary.
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MashaAllah, not only that, but it is our duty to advice our fellow Muslims. :thumbs_up

Muezzin said:
In my university for example, certain bearded Muslim males seemingly have no problem with flirting with girls, and certain hijabis see no problem with flirting with boys and wearing tight clothing.
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All that means is that the hijabi girls/bearded guys are sinning by flirting, and the non-bearded/non hijabis are sinning by shaving and not wearing hijab.

They are both sinning, one group is just better than the other in one respect, and one is worse than the other in another respect. :rolleyes:
 
its not about judging but i really dont want ANY brother or sister of this forum or anywhere to think that its ok to do only SOME of the obligatory. Wallah its obligatory upon the people to keep a beard and wear hijaab, its obligatory to stay away from haram. If these are not done then Allahu a'lam but they cant be seen as righteous.

Al-Madani told me that Umar RA said that when Quran was coming down to rasullulah saws we had wahi from Allaah swt therefore knew what was in the hearts of people, afterwards he had to go by what he saw of their character and islam! Therefore say when looking for a partner, you would NOT take someone without a beard or hijaab, right?
 
The good thing is that people who say they have imaan in their hearts, also have the potential to become good muslims. They describe the love they feel for Allah as imaan. In the majority of cases it is ignorance about the importance of implementing deen in their life that leads them to believe that loving Allah alone is acceptable. It is our duty to inform them and help them understand. We cannot and should not judge them. In their hearts they may be more thankful for Allah's blessings than some practicing muslims.


Volume 1, Book 2, Number 21:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "When the people of Paradise will enter Paradise and the people of Hell will go to Hell, Allah will order those who have had faith equal to the weight of a grain of mustard seed to be taken out from Hell. So they will be taken out but (by then) they will be blackened (charred). Then they will be put in the river of Haya' (rain) or Hayat (life) (the Narrator is in doubt as to which is the right term), and they will revive like a grain that grows near the bank of a flood channel. Don't you see that it comes out yellow and twisted"
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Muezzin said:
I don't want to get into a debate. All I'm saying is we shouldn't judge people on their outward appearances. For instance, when a good friend of mine told me Zidane (the soccer player, for those who don't know) was Muslim, I scoffed and sarcastically said that he wasn't doing a very good job of it, drinking and everything. My friend then said, 'Dude, if you say the shahadah, you're Muslim. It's not for us to judge'. The more I thought about it, the more I realised he was right. In my university for example, certain bearded Muslim males seemingly have no problem with flirting with girls, and certain hijabis see no problem with flirting with boys and wearing tight clothing.

I'm not saying that everyone who has a beard or wear a headscarf is secretly a bad Muslim or something. I'm just saying don't assume that people who do not have beards or do not wear the hijaab must be bad Muslims in some way.
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:wasalamex

Yeah that's true. Hijabis may backbite etc etc, but I didn't say that hijab and beard makes you perfect, it's just fardh. And maybe we shouldn't judge the bearded brothers and hijabi sisters who flirt either. One who fulfils one part of the deen may struggle with another.

There's a difference between someone who says 'InshaAllah I'll wear hijab one day, I pray Allah gives me the strength' and someone who says 'Why should I wear hijab? I don't think it's necessary. Deen is in the heart.'

An obligation is an obligation, whether it's lowering the gaze or growing a beard for brothers. Although I do agree with your statements about the etiquette of naseeha. Too many people are way too rough with their naseeha today.
 
People who say that the deen is in their heart and yet don’t do any actions of worship, are those who don’t like to practice the deen so they hide behind the fact that the deen is in the heart. This is wrong and comes from kufr. Because if the deen is in the heart then this will reflect outwardly. I don’t understand how the deen will be on some ones heart if they don’t say it by their tongue and the actions are not in their limbs.

Islam is built on five pillars.
You must believe in the heart and do the actions in limbs, as Islam is outwardly and inwardly.

How can the heart be sound if you don’t do the action that purifies such Tawheed, salaat, siyaamm, dua and all other forms of worship which Allah SWA has commanded us with.


Hassan al basari one of the great tabee’ii, said imaan is not something you wear, but rather imaan is in the heart and actions of the limbs.

Imam shafee’e said imaan is the believe in the heart and actins of the limbs

Imam bukharee said, people of imaan are above one another according to the actions they do.

from here we can see imaan is both inwardly and out wardly actions
 
Other cling to the notion of irja' (false hope), claiming that faith is merely affirmation, and that deeds are neither a part of faith nor have any effect upon it. According to their claim, the iman of the most sinful of believers is just like the iman of the angels Gabriel and Michael.

[Ibn Qayyim in Al-Jawab al-Kafi li-man sa'al `an al-Dawa' al-Shafi]

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Muezzin said:
So if someone says the shahadah, prays, fasts and fulfils the other five pillars, they'll have wasted their time unless they have a beard or wear the hijab?
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well yeah...for those people who know that the hijab and beard are fardh...wont have wasted their time but you cannot say Imaan is just in the heart...it should be seen on the outside too. :w:
 
beard is waajib sis... unless wajib and fardh are the same :?


its a sin to leave out waajib acts so beards must be kept.
 
:sl: near enough bro...

but I was just making a point tho about the title....In my opinion deen IS in the heart...that's where it starts but it cannot ONLY be in the heart...because you should be able to tell a Muslim through his/her character, manner of speaking, modesty and dress.... :w:
 

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