Thrashing of 17 year old girl..........

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the americans basically messed up the regional dynamics, the paki army was not made to counter insurgencies, rather overwhelming regular military forces, so even if the army intervenes it's not going to help much, much more professional not to mention better equipped armies-NATO-aren't having a cake walk either, not to mention the area was under their control until the Taliban were ousted,now they have to pretend their previous allies/proxies are enemies,,

this is what lawlessness brings, the degeneration of all aspects of life, people who rail against so called 'muslim' governments should consider what would happen if indeed these governments fell, it would be even worse then, rather we should seek to improve the situation while not getting our emotions take over,,
 
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So sad,no sister can walk on the streets of Pakistian without something like this going on. And I thought it was a sweet calm place to live in.
 
No matter how you look at it, there is no justification for this act. Islam does not allow one to beat a woman in front of so many men/people, nor does it allow one to continue hurting her and beating her as she cries out in pain. I'm traumatized at how someone could do this. Especially in the name of Islam. How dare they? If she was having an affair, couldn't they have dealt with it at home in an Islamic HALAL way??

OMG my heart goes out to her. :'(:'(:'(

How sick can these "Muslim" people get? This gives another chance for the media to attack Islam and for pple to hate Muslims.

May Allah bless and guide the poor girl. Ameen. And may Allah also guide those sick losers. Ameen.

Sorry to sound so bitter but I'm disgusted and terrified of what Islam has become.

The links are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gKY7CX5ew

and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7980899.stm
 
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Lets not judge we do not even know if the video is authentic or not. NWO will go to any lenghts to get the people on their side so they can KILL THE SAME WOMEN THEY GO IN TO PROTECT. LIKE in afganistan where they dropped 500 pound bombs on villages to protect the women well now they will be protected in their graves.
 
everyone is sick of the taliban or whoever they are! like come on man, you wana implement islaam, and this is the way they go around doing it, they destroyed like 1000s of schools, because girls went there, which doesnt have a islamic point to it @ all, they have given islaam and given it such a bad name, may Allah (Swt) deal with them,

now it wasnt proven that she did anythin, its all based on suspicion, apparently the guy who she was "caught" with, was the local electrician coming to fix a fault! and i do wonder did the man get caned? also who are the four witnesses who witnessed them doin anythin, see where is the islaam in this, these fools should cane themselfs all the way to the top of the butifull swat mountains and then give themselfs one massive cane and jump of the mountains :D

I am sick of people who are not educated in the Taliban history. Taliban is the best thing happened to Afganistan. Right girls should go to schools when soldiers are picking young guys up from streets its not SAFE. Its a war zone and you are crying about sending girls to school subhanllah.
 
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I am sick of people who are not educated in the Taliban history. Taliban is the best thing happened to Afganistan. Right girls should go to schools when soldiers are picking young guys up from streets its not SAFE. Its a war zone and you are crying about sending girls to school subhanllah.

The polling data suggusts that the vast majority of Afghans do not share your positive view of the Taliban.

I remember Robert Fisk saying when he returned to Afghanistan after the Taliban took over and a store keeper said to him, with regard to the primitivism and barbarism of the Taliban, "What can you expect, all they have ever known in a refugee camp, they want to turn the whole world into a refugee camp".
 
Thats soo sad seeing the video.. May Allah forgive and protect her.. Ameen

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.

I wonder how the man through this message was brought to the world would feel about this event, or those thugs who beat that 70 something woman in Saudi Arabia
 
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how quickly people give up on the shariah and turn their backs on islam after one little video clip, subhanallah.

so lets look at the facts not the western media hype...

it is actually part of a bigger video of a few minutes that includes some brothers being flogged also, but they have cut out the part of the 17 year old woman (girl implies someone under the age of responsibility and she was over this) and used it to once again attack islam and say we repress women.

she was tried and convicting in a shariah court of being alone with a married man who was seen coming out of a house with her and four witnesses testified to this, they also had witnesses to their honesty and character as called for in the shariah. the man was also flogged according to others testimony btw.

so her crime was not zina, but public morality, something the shariah court is allowed to set a small punishment for and she wasnt flogged 100 lashes but 37.

one of the men holding her down is her own brother and her family accepted the punishment even if she did not, i agree it shouldnt have taken place in public but this is a minor matter when compared to the situation before where no shariah was implemented.

the woman (or the men in the longer clip) are not being thrashed, an emotionally charged word implying a great deal of force, instead she is being flogged and as you can see the arm of the man doing it doesnt go back past a vertical drawn up from his torso so that he cannot put full force into the flogging, it is meant to hurt not draw blood or do damage to skin and tissue like the floggings given in british navel traditions of justice for example.

so what we have is a woman, and also some men given a public flogging for various offenses, ok it shouldnt be public for the women but still now everyone knows you cannot behave with immorality and that Allah's law is supreme.

she may be in pain but this will not leave perminent damage, only wound her pride and make her unable to sleep on her back for a week or two, if she learns from her mistake and keeps away from her sister's husbands then there is no reason to suppose it will happen again to her.

i have nothing but love, al-wala with those brothers and sisters in swat and elsewhere who are trying their best to implement the shariah, the law of Allah and reject the kufr of man made law whether that be the pakistani penel code or the tribal law followed by some.

and pray and make du'a they can implement shariah over the whole of pakistan and get rid of the taghoot who rules over them, swat has actually moved up my list of places to make hijrah towards because of the fact they are implementing shariah, even if i dont agree 100% with every ruling, it is better than anything else and certainly better than the british given pakistani penal code which is kufr to judge by and kufr to rule by.

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"O you who believe! If a evil-liver comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done."

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This is a very serious command that we as Muslims need to follow, and there would be a lot less distrust and disunity in the Ummah if we did.

We don't really know either the circumstances or even who those people in the video are, and non-Muslim news sources are simply not trustworthy AT ALL. In fact if you pay attention you can often find many unexplained contradictions in these kind of demonization stories. For example, it seems to me like the guys holding the girl do not even have fist-length beards. ???

The fact is there is a concerted effort to discredit and demonize shariah, and feeding the public with these stories every months or so is the easiest way to do it. As Muslims we should not believe anything unless it is first-hand or trusted (i.e. someone we know personally as a truthful practicing Muslim) second-hand knowledge. Otherwise there is a possibility of falling into very serious sin by suspicion and not having husn-e-zann. END QUOTE.

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I received a phone call from a relative in Pakistan and asked him about this. He told me the reality of what happened. He said that this footage is from before the Shariah law was introduced in the Swat valley a couple of weeks ago. It is from the time before when Swat was not being governed under Shariah law. The antics shown have been covered by the Pakistani media. Qazis in the Swat valley, when asked about this, clarified that this did not happen under their rule but before. They also condemned the punishment saying it was not in accordance of Shariah and said it was the outcome of village hotheads taking the law into their own hands.

This news has specifically been shown on Geo etc and they seem to still insist on it being recent. In light of this, I think we need to take with a huge pinch of salt what comes through on the media. The media has a particular gripe with Shariah and is doing its best to demonise the implementation of Shariah law.
 
this is all fake ... US wants everyone to think that islam teaches extremism thats it
 
:sl: Am very impressed with some of the views^^^^^ however what has happened does not justify that thee girl was thrashed infront of the whole village and a video recording was made of it...........Also if any of you have ARY channells they are still saying there is no evidence that this girl is guilty.............imsad I feel really bad that this has happened and very very frustated that it was allowed to be filmed....................

Shariah Law.........Is a difficult topic. Pakistan women go around weraring jeans, have their heads uncovered behave unappropriately not within the Islamic Laws.............why should one Law apply to this child when thousands/millions of others are committing sins which are clear to see???????????:w:imsad
 
due to harshness of few muslims, the ppl are running away frm islam.

now the world will become more against sharia law.

and only Allah is the source of help and goodness
 
The polling data suggusts that the vast majority of Afghans do not share your positive view of the Taliban.

I remember Robert Fisk saying when he returned to Afghanistan after the Taliban took over and a store keeper said to him, with regard to the primitivism and barbarism of the Taliban, "What can you expect, all they have ever known in a refugee camp, they want to turn the whole world into a refugee camp".

What polls? How many people did they ask were they all even Muslim or communist? Keep making up facts to justify your murder.

primitivism and barbarism of the Taliban

The last I checked Mullah Omar and the Taliban came in power by killing bunch child rapist. As far as people abusing women that was the Afgan culture nothing to do with the Taliban. Even in parts controlled by Nato and Afgan government abuse agiasnt women is very high.
 
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:sl: Brother i disagree this CHILD is scarred for life even if her identity is not known........... She knows and Allah knows what you do not and neither do I.............. If Shariah Law is to be applied then it MUST also be applied to the thousands of women who walk around in swat with their heads uncovered............ Islam demands this of women also.......Swat is a beautiful place i have been there, which is totally irrelevant...........:w:







she may be in pain but this will not leave perminent damage, only wound her pride and make her unable to sleep on her back for a week or two, if she learns from her mistake and keeps away from her sister's husbands then there is no reason to suppose it will happen again to her.
 
What polls? How many people did they ask were they all even Muslim or communist? Keep making up facts to justify your murder.

primitivism and barbarism of the Taliban

The last I checked Mullah Omar and the Taliban came in power by killing bunch child rapist. As far as people abusing women that was the Afgan culture nothing to do with the Taliban. Even in parts controlled by Nato and Afgan government abuse agiasnt women is very high.

I wasn't aware that I had murdered someone.

That's correct with regards to the Taliban, at least in part. The external powers who coldly used the Afghan people to act as a foil to Russian imperialism and the abandoned them bear a lot of guilt as well. That the suffering of Afghan women has continued under the NATO resence does not mean somehow the abuse by the Taliban did not occur. With regards to barbarism I am not simply refering to their treatment of women but their larger activities as well, such as their ethnic clensing of the Hazaras and Shia Muslims.

You can deney what the Taliban did and what they are all you wish but this sort of perverse revisionism just helps people like Robert Spencer his ilk .
 

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