Thrashing of 17 year old girl..........

[Thinker]

Was just wondering of any of you have seen the news and the coverage of the seventeen year old girl being thrashed on suspected Adultery and your views on this.

This happened in Swat in Pakistan and there is a horrible video on TV where the brother is holding her down as she is being thrashed..............and filmed by some sick geek......................imsad

But isn't that sharia law, didn't we have a whole thread on this where everybody voted that they wanted to live under sharia law?

 

[Zahida]

If we are to live by Shariah Law then it should be pracised properly, i am no expert but i know that this is wrong............

But isn't that sharia law, didn't we have a whole thread on this where everybody voted that they wanted to live under sharia law?

 

[Questfortruth]

I wasn't aware that I had murdered someone.

That's correct with regards to the Taliban, at least in part. The external powers who coldly used the Afghan people to act as a foil to Russian imperialism and the abandoned them bear a lot of guilt as well. That the suffering of Afghan women has continued under the NATO resence does not mean somehow the abuse by the Taliban did not occur. With regards to barbarism I am not simply refering to their treatment of women but their larger activities as well, such as their ethnic clensing of the Hazaras and Shia Muslims.

You can deney what the Taliban did and what they are all you wish but this sort of perverse revisionism just helps people like Robert Spencer his ilk .

I am not here to please that ape Robert Spencer. Ofcourse, Abuse took place under the Taliban abuse takes place every where in the world. My point is that it is the Afgan culture not the government. There is so much a government can do to prevent abuse. I don't know to much about the Taliban but I did read unbiased reports from Muslims and non muslims alike who reported great work done by the Taliban. If there was abuse agiasnt women or the weak I reasure everyone I would take no part in it personally and would stand agiasnt it even if my own life was taken away. But I refuse to believe CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, Arab news, ARY, Geo and all the secular news outlets around the world. They all seem to have the same goal to demonize any brother with beard and to make it seem as sisters who cover up are dirty.

"I wasn't aware that I had murdered someone."

To defend someones murder is murder.

 

[Questfortruth]

If we are to live by Shariah Law then it should be pracised properly, i am no expert but i know that this is wrong............

You are agiasnt flogging?


I find that word so annoying for some reason "Thrashing" flogging would be better suited.

 

[alcurad]

Questfortruth, truly secular news outlets are bound to be more unbiased at that, but it is true that the culture there allows abuse, not any government particularly.

 

[Questfortruth]

Questfortruth, truly secular news outlets are bound to be more unbiased at that, but it is true that the culture there allows abuse, not any government particularly.

Wrong! Secular media hates Shariah they do not want implementation of shariah because they feel it is backward. Truly, brother you don't know the secular and their agenda.

 

[wth1257]

I am not here to please that ape Robert Spencer.[

That's not your intent but you, and individuals who tow your line do help him and his little minions. I don't mean that as some sort of attack againt you, I don't know you and have no problem with you, but individuals who stick to your line, which is contrary to what actually occured under the Taliban, help the smear campaign againt Islam.

Ofcourse, Abuse took place under the Taliban abuse takes place every where in the world. My point is that it is the Afgan culture not the government. There is so much a government can do to prevent abuse. I don't know to much about the Taliban but I did read unbiased reports from Muslims and non muslims alike who reported great work done by the Taliban. If there was abuse agiasnt women or the weak I reasure everyone I would take no part in it personally and would stand agiasnt it even if my own life was taken away. But I refuse to believe CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, Arab news, ARY, Geo and all the secular news outlets around the world. They all seem to have the same goal to demonize any brother with beard and to make it seem as sisters who cover up are dirty.

"I wasn't aware that I had murdered someone."

To defend someones murder is murder.

Anyone would do well to be skeptical of coporate media, particularly with regards to foreign events, but that does not mean one can just a-priori reject everything they have without cause.

Whose murder have I defended? You seem to be more subject to that charge seeing as you defend the Taliban, or direct the blame elsewhere for their activities, after their barbarism towards Shia Muslims.

 

[alcurad]

Wrong! Secular media hates Shariah they do not want implementation of shariah because they feel it is backward. Truly, brother you don't know the secular and their agenda.

you are wrong yourself at that, I said 'truly' secular, not the ones who pretend to be, naturally any channel that claims to be biased will be biased, no?

 

[waji]

First of all let me say one thing don't be emotional

The way they did it was according to Quran, see in the quran by yourself
Sura Nur 24, ayaah 02
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication― flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. " Yousuf Ali Translation

Yes there are doubts about the judgement of Taliban
and here in Pakistan every TV channel has it's own story

1. Some said she went out with her husband's father.

2. Some said she came out alone.

3. Some said the unknown man was seen coming out of her house.

4. Some said the Taliban forced her to marry a Taliban which she refused.

so nothing is clear here also and when nothing is clear how can we and you all say that its was right or wrong.

May Allah Guide us All

 

[Zahida]

Yes Questforth in this particular case i am because the girl is still innocent and nothing has been proved there is no evidence just speculation.............. Why humiliate the child in front of everyone and why in the name of Allah why film it?????????

You are agiasnt flogging?


I find that word so annoying for some reason "Thrashing" flogging would be better suited.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Yes Questforth in this particular case i am because the girl is still innocent and nothing has been proved there is no evidence just speculation.............. Why humiliate the child in front of everyone and why in the name of Allah why film it?????????

although it is from a kuffar news source, i did read previously that they had had a trial based on shariah, and she is not a child or i doubt it very much at 17.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

K it was apprantly based on sharia???

Where are the four witnesses? Was the man flogged? Tbh the Taliban that are in swat have lost the plot big time!

 

[Dawud_uk]

K it was apprantly based on sharia???

Where are the four witnesses? Was the man flogged? Tbh the Taliban that are in swat have lost the plot big time!

IF it was a shariah trial, the judge would have needed to meet the witnesses not you personally.

and once again, the news sources differ but some do mention the man was also flogged.

 

[Zahida]

So brother why wasn't the flogging of the man shown alongside the flogging of the girl????? I don't disrespect you or your views on this. Everyone has their own opinion and are entitled to express them. I feel the whole thing was morally an unjustice to the girl involved...........:bump1:

IF it was a shariah trial, the judge would have needed to meet the witnesses not you personally.

and once again, the news sources differ but some do mention the man was also flogged.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

IF it was a shariah trial, the judge would have needed to meet the witnesses not you personally.

and once again, the news sources differ but some do mention the man was also flogged.

talkin bout defensive

It don't say no where that the "judge" saw witnesses!

One thin with this case, was even Pakistanin western sources covered the story differntly! So no one really knows the 100% truth innay! But watever it is, the taliban in swat need to sort themselfs out!

 

[Zahida]

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done Chacha............ I am your no1 fan!!!!!:bump1:

 

[Dawud_uk]

So brother why wasn't the flogging of the man shown alongside the flogging of the girl????? I don't disrespect you or your views on this. Everyone has their own opinion and are entitled to express them. I feel the whole thing was morally an unjustice to the girl involved...........:bump1:

it was originally, i saw this video a week or two before most people on sky news i think, showed the flogging of several men also, some for fornication, one for homosexual offenses and this woman.

the section of the video relating to the woman was taken off and played by itself when someone realised they could use it to run the old 'islam oppressing women' story again and everyone else ran with it, the story becomming a little worse each time it is told.

 

[Zahida]

will check and see if i can find the other videos .......... Thankyou i was not aware that they had also been shown i have only seen the video of this girl................:bump1:

 

[Zafran]

salaam

This could be FAKE

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Pakistan/10301597.html

"Swat Taliban Spokesman Muslim Khan echoed his sentiments, claiming the tape was the handiwork of pro-West organisations."

Intresting

peace

 

[Zahida]

Hmmmmmmmm that younirls screams wer definately not a figment of my imagination.......... i can hear them now.............

I did find the videos where the men were thrashed also..............imsad

What is the world coming to?? Today there were suicide bombings in Chikwaal.............

Ya Allah have Mercy on us........Ameen.................