"Through a Rapist’s Eyes"

[Qurratul Ayn]

Muslim in this forum constantly argue this 'right' and most of whom are vehemently against higher education, ownership and career for women that want it. but we happen to mention it when we want non Muslim on our side or argue against them.

Are you being serious?!

 

[purple]

I've written it because it's true - i'm not talking about physical rape here.

A rapist is a rapist and no excuses shall be given to a person who rapes.

It is true but is has no place on this topic. Abuse towards men are only mentioned when speak of abuse towards female. I created a topic about domestic violence towards men, NOONE has commented on it. But we all like to mention it in topics about female abuse?

 

[purple]

Are you being serious?!

Yes I am serious. Most of members here are against the abovementioned including the person that posted the article. If you don't believe me, search these topics for yourself.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

I created a topic about domestic violence towards men, NOONE has commented on it.

Could you provide a link here then? Seeing as it's related to the overall topic; rape.

Yes I am serious. Most of members here are against the abovementioned including the person that posted the article. If you don't believe me, search these topics for yourself.

None of the Brothers here have expressed such thoughts since I've been on this forum, but I shall search for related topics and look for myself as you've suggested, my dear purple.

The "person" who created this thread and posted a few articles is our dear Sister ~Zaria~, I sincerely doubt she'd be against higher education and careers for women.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

Apologies... Double post

 

[~Zaria~]

Yes I am serious. Most of members here are against the abovementioned including the person that posted the article. If you don't believe me, search these topics for yourself.

Can you provide such statements that I have supposedly made?

Indeed there are various rulings pertaining to women in the work-place - regarding suitable occupations that limit interactions with men, and if this is impossible, then the manner a women should conduct herself. However, this is a completely seperate topic.

 

[purple]

Could you provide a link here then? Seeing as it's related to the overal topic; rape.



None of the Brothers here have expressed such thoughts since I've been on this forum, but I shall search for related topics and looks for myself as you've suggested.

The "person" who created this thread and posted a few articles is our dear Sister ~Zaria~, I sincerely doubt she'd be against higher education and careers for women.

She is only 'for' health and social care profession not any other sector like many other members here. She is against women having business and even against daughter working in their father's business/shop. She is against women studying mathematics as higher education but for medicine/nursing etc. Same with brothers, some of whom are completely against working, period. Wait, let me search the link.

 

[purple]

Can you provide such statements that I have supposedly made?

Indeed there are various rulings pertaining to women in the work-place - regarding suitable occupations that limit interactions with men, and if this is impossible, then the manner a women should conduct herself. However, this is a completely seperate topic.

Suitable occupation? Then please explain why you are against women studying mathematics, science etc? And also against them taking jobs as scientist and having their own business? There is no hadith and Quran verses to support your stance BTW. Women can't be builders etc obviously but having their own business is permitted. Don't try to lie. I will post the link but using my mobile so you'll have to wait once I able to post it.

 

[White Rose]

Muslim in this forum constantly argue this 'right' and most of whom are vehemently against higher education, ownership and career for women that want it. but we happen to mention it when we want non Muslim on our side or argue against them.

Its best if you do not generalize. Even if some of them do, so what? Have you read their reasons? I am tired of people mentioning equality as if it can only produce pure results.

 

[purple]

Its best if you do not generalize. Even if some of them do, so what? Have you read their reasons? I am tired of people mentioning equality as if it can only produce pure results.

It is not 'some' it is 'most'. And did you read it in the context I've mentioned it? DONT be a hypocrite and mention to non Muslim or post an article when you personally are dead set against it. I mentioned nothing about equality, if you want to stop your wife, daughter etc do so but don't make a consensus in this forum (which it is) and don't a be hypocrite. I must've hit a nerve.

I have read their reasons. I have problem with hypocrite, two faced people and those that force it others and belittle people that have different lifestyle and made different choices.

 

[~Zaria~]

Suitable occupation? Then please explain why you are against women studying mathematics, science etc? And also against them taking jobs as scientist and having their own business? There is no hadith and Quran verses to support your stance BTW. Women can't be builders etc obviously but having their own business is permitted. Don't try to lie. I will post the link but using my mobile so you'll have to wait once I able to post it.

JazakAllahu khayrun. You have reminded me of why I no longer participate as much in discussions on this forum.
Sadly, there are members here who seek out argumentation, which, in real life, I avoid as much as possible.

In any case, in response to your comments:

As I have indeed mentioned, there are certain professions that are possibly more suitable for women to be in, and others that are not as suitable - for the mere fact that it entails women to work closely alongside men, to leave their homes and families in pursuit of wealth.
Who can deny that as a woman, it would be so much more preferable and comfortable to be treated by female gynaecologists and medical personnel? And have our daughters taught by female teachers? etc.

If one has to leave her home to financially support herself and kids, and out of genuine need - then truly there is no blame on her.

And if she can work from home, then Alhamdulillah.
If this is not possible - would it not be better for her to first seek those occupations that do not result in her mixing with men, as much as possible?
And where she would be directly providing benefit to the sisters in this ummah?
And where there is interaction with men - then she does so, observing proper hijaab and niqaab - both in her appearance and her behaviour?

I have never been 'against women studying mathematics, science, etc' as you mention.
All beneficial knowledge should be sought by both men and women. However, the manner that we apply such knowledge, bestowed upon us by Allah Taa'la Himself is also important.
When we have been blessed with such intellect and knowledge, then we should ensure that we are using it for the pleasure of Allah at all times.


^ These are my personal thoughts on this topic.
And from my reading, it seems to be type of sentiment expressed by many senior scholars as well.

If you have a difference in opinion, this is fine.

Sister, you are free to live your life in the manner that you deem to be best.

We have not laid judgements on others. We have merely expressed our opinions.
As have you.
To each his own.

But please, lets not for look for debate - esp. by bringing other discussions across from other threads.

This thread was sincerely meant to provide tips and suggestions to our sisters on the topic of rape - which sadly, is a growing problem across the world.

Please allow us to continue back on the original discussion.


:wasalamex

 

[purple]

OK sorry to derail your topic. Can I post link for domestic violence against men?

 

[~Zaria~]

^ No problem sister. In shaa Allah, it would be of benefit to us.

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't know why you've written this? Article posted are in favour with the rapist and giving them excuses.

Hello magical purple

It actually gave advice to avoid being raped/victim of a crime.

we makes excuses for males that rape females

Some people do but not all of us. Rapists should not be defended at all. I don't make excuses! =) I do agree people do tend to blame the victim of rape.

Not enough hanging or harsh punishment.

It's VERY hard to prove rape.