Time 'running out' on Iran talks

[GuestFellow]

It is their business. why hide hydrogen peroxide in your home if you mean to use it as a bleaching agent and not an oxidant to rocket fuel?
When the west and Israel opens its facilities to inspection can they request the same of Iran!

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Well, it looks like it might be cos maybe iran might get really angry or something. i dunno lol. Allah knows best.

I think Israel might get really angry and might throw a tantrum...O___o

Israel has been a major pain to the USA since 1947. A very expensive pet that has proven to be a nuisance.

Nicely put.

Western nations do question why Iran feels the need to keep their nuclear facilities a secret if there is nothing to hide. Why hide a facility that is going to simply generate electricity?

Iran has been very cooperative with the IAEA than compared to Israel. Israel has a 40 year policy that no international organisation can inspect their nuclear energy programme.

Why on Earth are we worried about Iran. They don't even have nuclear weapons. We should be worried about Israel since they have a stack load of nuclear weapons.

 

[Humbler_359]

That's JUST PRESSURE AND PRESS PRESSURE. IT doesn't work. Here's hint example during 1960 beginning, US pressured Israel but Israel keep ignoring it by standing up. That's same things today to Iran.

No doubt, Russia is with Iran in reality and will support Iran whatever it needs. Enemy is Enemy's Friends.

For media, we see "US and Russia warned Iran....." It is just words.

 

[Joe98]

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html



30 countries currently use nuclear energy

There are another 14 countries that plan on using nuclear energy by 2030

Of those 44 countries, 8 already have nuclear weapons.

The remaining, 36 countries, including Iran, all agreed that UN inspectors would inspect the nuclear sites to ensure they were not making nuclear weapons.

And UN inspectors were going to Iran and making inspections.

So, the westerns ( all a bunch of hypocrites,btw) 'allegly' has nucleur programs for electricity, but when Iran wants to have one, it is the end of the world.

Then Iran announces they will no longer allow the inspections and further announce Iran will "wipe israel off the map".

So there is a suspicion Iran is making nuclear weapons.

There is nothing hypocritical here.

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[جوري]

U.N has no jurisdiction over anyone.. if it did, then certainly it would go after Israel for being in violation of international human rights and humanitarian law, and about 1860 other resolutions as 'imposed' by the U.N ...

is this really the time to impose a U.N inspector law? give me a break or do you need a re-definition of what hypocrisy is? (An expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction) if they in fact expect that Iran be in compliance, then they should start with self, just to lead by example and not come across as well hypocrites!

all the best

 

[Justufy]

When the west and Israel opens its facilities to inspection can they request the same of Iran!

I think we ought to ponder the difference between Iran and the U.S.A, the USA do have weapons of mass destruction, but I well rather them have those weps than Iran, Because Iran cannot be trusted with these. Just like North Korea cannot be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, just like any other rogue nation professing hate threats against the western world and Israel cannot be trusted with a nuclear program that would be free of scrutiny; it’s like allowing a potential murderer to poses guns.
I am a Muslim, but not one who advocates violence, I think the real hypocrites here are the Iranians, and I won’t be surprised if the nuclear program was intended to get the bomb all along.

 

[جوري]

lol.. the U.S can be trusted by Iran can't? Who was the only country in the world to use atomic bombings and caused the death of 220000 individuals? give me a break mac.. you can be a pacifist all you want, but it is frank mental objection to think that this 'hate' is one sided!

all the best

 

[nocturnal]

Woodrow, thats an interesting perspective but im not too sure on such an outcome. There is an extremely vociferous pro-Israeli lobby in the US which is immensely influential and cannot be negated quite so easily. Also, the Jewish national electoral potential in the US is massive. Every politician representing almost every state in the country has to take stock of that.

The question is; how far will the US go to protect Israel? what is the exact limit of it's commitment to Israel's security?

The American politicians all know very well that Israel is a bellicose, militaristic, warmongering international pariah. But they dare not rasie objections against Israel given the political fall-out that would ensue should they have the temerity to do so. This pervasive sense of solicitude towards Israel can, i think, only be broken if there is concerted action on the part of the Arab nations.

All of them working together in unison against Israel would impel the US government to review it's Middle East policy and whether it genuinely wishes to risk going to war against vital allies in the region at the expesne of a proxy state that is totally devoid of any international credibility, moral standing and guilty of outrageous crimes against humanity. If anything, it will probably lodge voluble protests at the UN, but no more. Waging a war against all the member states of the Arab League and potentially other Muslims countries couldn't under any circumstances be realistically considered by even the most hawkish of US administrations. And i don't think there would be the kind of allied coalition that we have read about in the previous World Wars, given that even the pro-Israeli nations in the EU, for all their pointedly cynical attitudes towards the Palestinians, would be unwilling to embark on a war on such a big scale with costly ramifications given the anti-war mood of the EU populace.

I really believe the Arab and Muslim nations, if they work together cohesively, have between them the ability to take decisive action, and liquidate the Zionist entity. (I don't mean Jews by that)

 

[GuestFellow]

Then Iran announces they will no longer allow the inspections and further announce Iran will "wipe israel off the map".

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Wow do people still believe that. O_______o The media truly brainwashes some people...


President Ahmadinejad stated that he wanted to see the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem to be wiped off the pages of time like the way the Soviet Union collapsed. He never said he would use military action. Besides he supports the Palestinians and wiping Israel off the map would surely affect the Palestinians since they live so close by.

I wonder how many times I might have said that whilst on this forum....

 

[Humbler_359]

I think we ought to ponder the difference between Iran and the U.S.A, the USA do have weapons of mass destruction, but [U]I well rather them have those weps than Iran[/U], Because Iran cannot be trusted with these. Just like North Korea cannot be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, just like any other rogue nation professing hate threats against the western world and Israel cannot be trusted with a nuclear program that would be free of scrutiny; it’s like allowing a potential murderer to poses guns.
I am a Muslim, but not one who advocates violence, I think the real hypocrites here are the Iranians, and I won’t be surprised if the nuclear program was intended to get the bomb all along.

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Lol, you must be joking. It seem twisting theory.

First of all, where are you from in what country?

Second, have you learn how many innocents Muslims died ?
Third, how can you defend Palestine from Israel? or Iraq war from US?
Forth, what's your opinion of Nuclear-armed only Pakistan?

Iran has every rights to protect itself from aggressors so do other countries, don't you think?

 

[Humbler_359]

I wonder how many times I might have said that whilst on this forum....

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In reality,"I can't hear the TRUTH "....

 

[GuestFellow]

I think we ought to ponder the difference between Iran and the U.S.A, the USA do have weapons of mass destruction, but I well rather them have those weps than Iran, Because Iran cannot be trusted with these. Just like North Korea cannot be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, just like any other rogue nation professing hate threats against the western world and Israel cannot be trusted with a nuclear program that would be free of scrutiny; it’s like allowing a potential murderer to poses guns.
I am a Muslim, but not one who advocates violence, I think the real hypocrites here are the Iranians, and I won’t be surprised if the nuclear program was intended to get the bomb all along.

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Iran is a peaceful nation compared to Israel and America. They are not declaring war, occupying or forcing their views on others. Yes Iran has problems internally and the Iranian government is under a lot of pressure. The hypocrites here are America and its allies. I don't trust America with nuclear weapons. They used it once during World War 2...Hilary Clinton even threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran. God knows how many mutters there are in the Congress. The USA administration supports Israel who has committed war crimes against Palestinians.

The rogue nations are clearly America and its allies, charging around the world and killing thousands of innocent civilians in the name of insanity.

 

[Humbler_359]

Let me give you a bit education in case you HAVEN'T heard. Here's original statement by first Prime Minister of Israel....read carefully

"The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs.

This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan.

Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work there from against Pakistan.

It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans."

-David Ben Gurion (First Israeli Prime Minister), his words printed in the Jewish Chronicle newspaper, 9 August 1967.
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Take a look YouTube here: "The Day Pakistan and Israel came close to WAR"

 

[titus]

Let me give you a bit education in case you HAVEN'T heard. Here's original statement by first Prime Minister of Israel....read carefully

This "quote" first started appearing a few years ago. Around 2002 is the earliest known example of it. It is fake.

In fact the paper that is cited was not even published on that date.

 

[The_Prince]

I think we ought to ponder the difference between Iran and the U.S.A, the USA do have weapons of mass destruction, but I well rather them have those weps than Iran, Because Iran cannot be trusted with these. Just like North Korea cannot be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, just like any other rogue nation professing hate threats against the western world and Israel cannot be trusted with a nuclear program that would be free of scrutiny; it’s like allowing a potential murderer to poses guns.
I am a Muslim, but not one who advocates violence, I think the real hypocrites here are the Iranians, and I won’t be surprised if the nuclear program was intended to get the bomb all along.

the part you said your Muslim made me burst out laughing. your probaly one of those agents israel has been paying to go on to internet forums to spread propaganda etc.

if your not that, then your probaly the liberal sell out Muslim, or your the Muslim talking like a fox news pundit to simply be accepted.

 

[Humbler_359]

Titus,

^London Jewish Chronicle wasn't even published on that date, but on 8/4 and 8/11. An archive search for 1967 doesn't turn up this quote, either. Maybe it's from some other "Jewish Chronicle."

It's the fact Ben Gurion found Pakistan to be such a danger to the Zionist movement - even more so than the Arabs! That he admitted to the Zionist movement in the first place.

Please don't think Pakistan (indepedent in August 14 1947) and Israel (in May 14 1948) are friends for each other.

I doubt Israel so called "A Promise Land" is today different compared to thousand years ago.

 

[titus]

Maybe it's from some other "Jewish Chronicle."

Considering no one can find any evidence of this quote before 2002 I doubt it.

Please don't think Pakistan (indepedent in August 14 1947) and Israel (in May 14 1948) are friends for each other.

Trust me, I have never thought that, much less made that claim. I just don't like seeing fake quotes from men who have been dead for 35 years used as evidence or to make a point. If people want to determine the truth they need to base their opinions on the truth, not on made up facts.

 

[meer5sd]

US, RUSSIA, CHINA, can have nuclear weapons, can use them over small countries like IRAQ, CHECHENYA, TIBET, what is their problem if IRAN is developing nuclear technology for peaceful purpose??

 

[meer5sd]

All muslim countries should support IRAN in this issue

 

[Justufy]

the part you said your Muslim made me burst out laughing. your probaly one of those agents israel has been paying to go on to internet forums to spread propaganda etc.

if your not that, then your probaly the liberal sell out Muslim, or your the Muslim talking like a fox news pundit to simply be accepted.

Why? Because a real Muslim would have agreed blindly, would have put it all on Israel’s fault and on the western worlds fault?? Would have accepted the veracity of a made up quote? Would have accepted conspiracy theories without a shred of reliable evidence? All this while stirring hatred in his heart.

What category of Muslims do you fall into?? the_prince?

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[Justufy]

US, RUSSIA, CHINA, can have nuclear weapons, can use them over small countries like IRAQ, CHECHENYA, TIBET, what is their problem if IRAN is developing nuclear technology for peaceful purpose??

US, CHINA don’t ''use'' any nukes over anyone. I’m sorry .

what is their problem if IRAN is developing nuclear technology for peaceful purpose

then, allow the inspectors of the UN to scrutiny said peaceful technology?