'Tis the season of the 'mawlid' debates again

[M.I.A.]

Did Prophet
(Peace be upon him) OR his companions (May Allah be pleased with them) ever celebrated the
establishment of the Islamic state of Madinah?

friday has been made a day of celebration although i do not know when this occurred.

..im not a historian so i thank you for your post.

 

[KhalidDaPoet]

Assalamu Alaikum

We have to respect each other's opinion on such matters. Both sides have evidence and support. Myself, I follow the Hanafi fiqh jurisprudence and am a student of the other three madhabs. Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad is from the Shafiee school of thought. He explains in all four madhabs you have different classifications of bid'ah.

You have unlawful, not recommended, recommended, etc. The ruling in all four madhabs (at least one opinion) is that the Mawlid is a good bid'ah. I am not going to get in a debate of evidence and/or support. This is one valid opinion.

Hope it helps

 

[Mr.President]

one guy brings chicken to a group and says it not sure about the halal thing i *think* i heard thr chef say its halal

Person 1 in group - if the chef said that its halal im okay with having it

Person 2/inda group - ive been having chicken done by this chef ive never asked that question but its chiken u know its allowed in islam but pig is haram yo its chicken im okay with havin it

Person 3 - avoids the food cuz its doubtful

Im the third

 

[M.I.A.]

one guy brings chicken to a group and says it not sure about the halal thing i *think* i heard thr chef say its halal

Person 1 in group - if the chef said that its halal im okay with having it

Person 2/inda group - ive been having chicken done by this chef ive never asked that question but its chiken u know its allowed in islam but pig is haram yo its chicken im okay with havin it

Person 3 - avoids the food cuz its doubtful

Im the third

...and then the boss sacked me (true story) I'm not looking through my old posts.

...they make me cringe.

I don't know if there is a lesson to be learned from this.

Well at least it wasn't red meat..

Although that's no justification..

Not if your eating in a restaurant anyway.

 

[InToTheRain]

Bro BlueOwl

Regardless of anything, can we all agree that fireworks in the middle of the night are annoying as hell?

Not all Mawlids are conducted the same way. As I mentioned extravagance should be avoided.

I feel that it depends on what constitutes the celebration, and whether that act is common on other days or done only on that specific day. Going to the mosque, or listening to lectures or sending Darood. Sure. But as you do something which is not even a thing of the religion, let alone the Prophet (pbuh), like asking for intercession, that is obviously un-Islamic.

I am not sure what you mean by intercession here. Explain to me what is said and how it is Un-Islamic?

The thing we are really debating, is it deserving to be a holiday or a day of noticeable speciality, like Eid for example. Well I don't feel so. We already have Eid, why should we have extra holidays. I personally remember the Prophet more on Eid than his birthday anyway, since Eid is his religion's holiday, and he only celebrated Eid.

It was authentically reported that Anas ibn Maalik may Allaah be pleased with him narrated that when the Prophet, came to Al-Madeenah, the people had two days on which they engaged in amusement. He asked: “What are these two days (what is their significance)?” They said: “We celebrated them in the pre-Islamic era.” The Messenger of Allaah, said: “Verily, Allaah has given you something better in place of them: the Day of Al-Adh-ha and the Day of Al-Fitr.” [Ahmad]

Friday is also another day of Eid:
http://www.deenislam.co.uk/friday.htm

As for Mawlid these are reasons why I believe it wasn't made official:
1) Mohammad(SAW) didn't want to burden the Ummah on his account
2) It would defeat the purpose of the day which should be done out of Love for him if we are forced to show him Love.

Just like Participation of Teraweeh. Had Mohammad(SAW) wished it would've have been made Fard. He intentionally stopped praying it because he didn't want to burden the Ummah with additional duties.

I also do not think he would have accepted us celebrating his birthday, considering how humble he was. I mean seriously, it would be more humiliating that people are clapping for you or singing for you, to him, than anything else. Is this even a question.

Ibn Abbas reported: I heard Umar upon the pulpit saying the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not exalt me as the Christians have exalted the son of Mary. Verily, I am only a servant, so call me the servant of Allah and his messenger.” (Sahih Bukhari 3261)

The Christians say Jesus is God; No one in Mawlid says Mohammad(SAW) is Allah Most High.

Also Mohammad(SAW) was not humiliated by hearing praises of him. In fact he encouraged the Sahabas to do so as it he(SAW) that Allah Most High loves this quality in Muslims. See my previous posts and articles for details on this thread. Infact when he first arrived in Madinah they sang for him with Duffs and he didn't discourage it.

As to attributing qualities of being above human to him, how does that even make any logical sense? How can humans of any kind not have any shadow or have light in them, that makes no sense whatsoever. All humans are children of Adam. We have different skin colors because the genetics were fed into Adam, how can someone actually be made of light. That makes no sense. Mohammad isn't some pre-universal angel or something. There is no authentic hadith that points to that. He didn't change forms and become angels all the time, only angels and Jinn can change forms. That is the whole point of being human. People need to have more common sense and not become overly fanatical of someone.

There are many erudite scholars who hold the opinion that Mohammad(SAW) was made out of Noor. If you don't agree, fair enough. What's important is what priority you give Mohammad(SAW) in relation. After Allah Most High it should be Mohammad(SAW), then your parents etc. You will not be asked on the day of standing what you think Mohammad(SAW) was made out of but you will be questioned about what you did with what you learnt (adab, akhlaaq, etc)

Regarding Noor of Mohammad(SAW):
"Commenting on the verse of Qur’an,"There has come to you a light from Allah and a clear Book,"[33] the well-known scholar al-Alusi says that the light in question is no other than the Prophet, may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him. He quotes the Follower, Qatada, as an authoritative source for this opinion, as well as other well-known scholars, pointing out that this is the most logical interpretation of the construction of the verse, Then he also quotes those whose opinion differs from his in that they believe that both the light and the Book refer to the Qur’an. This he does because real Muslim scholars, as opposed to pretenders and impostors, always quote, along with their own opinions, the contrary opinions of other reputable scholars, so weighing both in the most objective manner. Qadi ‘Iyad, the famous author of al-Shifa’, is of the same opinion as al-Alusi, an opinion, an opinion shared by other famous commentators such as Tabari and Qurtubi."


And being Fanatical of Mohammad(SAW) is a good thing though I am not worthy of that title

And if someone wants to send sweets to someone else, you should be doing that all the time instead of once a year!

I think I know what you are referring to.

It would be incorrect to assume people that attend Mawlid only show love for that day. As I mentioned, those whom I regard the most pious (those who excel in their adherence to Sunnah and Nafl Ibadat etc every day) attend Mawlids.

Finally, the belief of having Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) be above humanity, would automatically make him better than everyone else, which is also un-Islamic! The other Prophets (pbut) also had beyond human miracles. Jesus (pbuh) hasn't died for two thousand years, and Solomon (pbuh) had a kingdom of huge fiery demons that could cross continents in seconds, and Moses (pbuh) will be the first to wake on Judgement Day, before even Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). That hadith also says that do not compare the Prophets. How does our Prophet automatically become the reason for creation without any reliable source.

Do not make the prophets better than one another. Source: Sahih Bukhari 2281
No servant should say that I am better than Jonah son of Mata. Source: Sahih Bukhari 3234
Whoever says that I am better than Jonah son of Mata has told a lie. Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 3245

You have quoted me some hadiths and made a conclusion without having the qualifications to do so. This is dangerous practice as it could misguide you as it has done so in this case. See hadith below which contradicts yours:

Muslim (4223) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I will be the leader of the sons of Adam on the Day of Resurrection, and the first one for whom the grave is opened, and the first one to intercede and the first one whose intercession will be accepted.”

What you need to understand is that Hadiths alone aren't the same as listening to Mohammad(SAW) after everything was revealed. What you are reading when you read one or some hadiths is what a Sahabah(RA) has heard Mohammad(SAW) say or do at certain points in time. This Sahabah could have then gone off somewhere else and not have known that later on a certain events took place or things were said which invalidated what he knew before. There are no chronological orders to Hadiths. And they alone aren't enough for guidance as there are many other things to consider.

I have seen this problem time and time again so I will copy and paste this time and time again

In order to protect the Shariah from the danger of innovation and distortion, the great scholars of usul laid down rigorous conditions which must be fulfilled by anyone wishing to claim the right of ijtihad for himself.[43] These conditions include:

(a) mastery of the Arabic language, to minimise the possibility of misinterpreting Revelation on purely linguistic grounds;
(b) a profound knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah and the circumstances surrounding the revelation of each verse and hadith, together with a full knowledge of the Quranic and hadith commentaries, and a control of all the interpretative techniques discussed above;
(c) knowledge of the specialised disciplines of hadith, such as the assessment of narrators and of the matn [text];
(d) knowledge of the views of the Companions, Followers and the great imams, and of the positions and reasoning expounded in the textbooks of fiqh, combined with the knowledge of cases where a consensus (ijma) has been reached;
(e) knowledge of the science of juridical analogy (qiyas), its types and conditions;
(f) knowledge of ones own society and of public interest (maslahah);
(g) knowing the general objectives (maqasid) of the Shariah;
(h) a high degree of intelligence and personal piety, combined with the Islamic virtues of compassion, courtesy, and modesty.

The Sunnah of guidance is that one learns under the guidance of the best in the field. Mohammad(SAW) was under the supervision of Allah Most High, Sahabas were under Mohammad(SAW), Tabien were under the Sahabas and so on. Ijazaa is given to the succesors to teach once they are ready; and we should be following the guidance of these succesors. So a Rope is made that goes to Allah Most High.


"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided..." (3:103)

You are not meant to google what you think is right and cherry pick ayats of Qur'an and hadiths which agree with you; ignoring the rest. A practice which is common amongst Muslim extremists and Islamaphobes. ISIS/Daesh rely on such mentality to recruit. People who rely on Hadith for guidance without referring to Fuqaha are in a state of Jahiliya; their guidance is not garanteed as they read a Hadith and come to the right conclusion one day and the next day read another Hadith and come to the wrong conlclusion which misguides them.

So until you have the qualifications I'd advise you not to go around interpreting hadiths without giving me a reference to some Scholar at least.

When we read our daily prayers it's Wajib to send salutations to the Prophet(SAW) (Tashahud) because we are his Ummah and we will come under his banner. Replacing his name with another will invalidate your prayer. It is due to Mohammad(SAW) we are guided to Allah Most High and to him we owe our gratitude. Their mission was the same but Mohammad(SAW) is the leader of Prophets and Massengers(AS); Imam Ar-Rusli. This was Proven in Isra Wal Miraj when Mohammad(SAW) lead the prayer as the Imam for all Prophets and Massengers of Allah Most High. The gates of Jannah will open only for Mohammad(SAW); Miftahul Jannah. I can go on and on. And if you have a problem with the ranking than your qualm is with Allah Most High who has given him the status.

The Message was revealed over a span of 20 years or so and I believe his rank and spiritual prowess increased after certain events occured.

Also know that Mohammad(SAW) was under the care of Allah Most High even before he turned 40 when his mission commenced. He fell asleep once on his way to a wedding and another time during a wedding were things are done which causes the displeasure of Allah Most High. Also He had a scar left on his Chest from when the Angels took something out from him chest when he was under the care of Halima(RA). The clouds would shade him. And so on.

As for Miracles done by Mohamamd(SAW) you can read this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134323956-blessed-hands-mohammad-sallalahu-alahi-wa-sallam.html

Do not make the same mistake as as Dhul-Khuwaisarah he viewed Mohammad(SAW) as capable of making the same mistakes other Man and so tried to correct Mohamamd(SAW). Allah Most High reserves judgement for sins commited till the day of judgement but it's apperent that if a something is done or said against Mohammad(SAW) judgement is given while they are living and breathing on Earth; for example verses were revealed speaking of Abu Lahabs punishment in Hell while he was still alive. As for the importance in loving Mohammad(SAW) and why read this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134324381-mumin-true-believer-pious.html

 

[M.I.A.]

Whenever eid comes around, the imam always tells the youth to stay away from the busy areas of the city and remember the true value of the day..

I'd hasten to add that he would rather hate the action than the person.

Even if the event is innovated, as a Muslim one should know how to argue in the best possible manner.. And be constantly aware of the outcome which they wish to achieve.

Allah swt is the one who changes hearts and minds.

..it is very difficult to go backwards, from a state of more to a state of less..

I really don't want to know what it takes to buy the whole world..

It's impossible, so make do..

 

[abo mussaab]