To shave the beard is haraam....

IsaAbdullah said:
Dear Grace Seeker,

The fact of the matter is that some Muslims take it upon themselves to say that growing the beard is not a command, as you have seen we have Muslims who even don't accept Ahadeeth, sayings of our Prophet, peace be upon him, why? Because they tend to, and this is a rule of thumb, find something they disagree with and reject it, similarly with the beard, alot of Muslims seem to read one or two Ahadeeth and say "Ah, its not mandatory!"

For example, over at a Muslim website a brother has posted this and made his 'personal' views very clear.

Prophet Muhammad ordered Muslims to grow beards. But why?

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ordered Muslims to grow beards, because he didn't want them to look like the Pagans. It was important back then for Muslims to look different than the Pagans for both security and cultural reasons. By making it easier for Muslims to distinguish each others easily, it would certainly enforce safety and security among them. Also, by making Muslims be different than everyone else, it would certainly help them to give up their old Pagan traditions that they were raised with, especially when they're different than everyone else. ​

And the thing goes on and on, but I do have to say taht this brother, I do believe is neither an thorough student of knowlege nor a scholar. So this is what happens, people take a couple of hadeeth and then make up their own mind.

Am sure you are aware that in Islam we tend to look upto scholars, not blind follow them, but since they spend their life on studying our religion, it is likely that they will have a wider picture, and unlikely that they would produce a ruling based on a small part of the picture by mistakes as me or you would do from only having seen a couple of statements.

The fact that the Prophet, peace be upon him, orders us, if I am not mistaken makes it compulsry, unless someone can provide a solid reason for it not being compulsry, this is touched upon by Student of Knowledge Yasir Qadhi, in Sciences of Fiqh, I think it is.

Personally if someone told me this, then I would just tell them that the Qu'ran says, if I am not mistaken, "Fast that you may attain taqwa" so would that mean that someone can say 'I don't have to fast today, I've got enough taqwa' or the Qu'ran says, again if I'm not mistaken, "Salah prevents wrong doing" or something like that, so is it again ok for someone to say 'Don't pray salah its only there to prevent you from wrong doing, if you don't do any other wrong then you can avoid praying it'

(someone tell me if I got the quotes wrong, cos Im quoting partially from memory)

I hope this kinda makes sense.

Eesa.
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It also had to do with differentiating from women, the last Prophet himself said that shaving it all was for effeminate men
 
IsaAbdullah said:
Assalamu Aleykum Akhi,

First I want you to know I love you for the sake of Allah, and I am very happy that you have been patient with me. May Allah reward you with Jannah!!

I don't know what is happening in Turkey, I have had turkish friends who claimed to be muslims but I don't know, but I still love them, this brother, I love him for the sake of Allah and I'd do anything for him Insha'Allah. That was why I said I wouldnt say anything since I don't know him.

Just wondering, can you tell me his name so I can read about him, and his views of Islam?

Eesa. :)
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NATIONAL12.01.2006 Friday - ISTANBUL 00:35
Papal Visit won't Heal Wounds
By Reuters, Cihan News Agency, Rome
Thursday, November 16, 2006
zaman.com


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An upcoming visit to Turkey by Pope XVI Benedict will not stop Muslims from feeling wounded by his remarks on Islam, said Ali Bardakoglu, the top religious authority in Turkey, in an interview with Italian daily La Stampa.
Bardakoglu will meet with the pope during his visit to Turkey from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1.

Bardakoglu rebutted rumors of possible flaws in security for the Pope, but admitted the psychological effect of recent protests.


“This visit will not solve all problems but it will be a good step toward further dialogue,” said Bardakoglu. “Peace is possible to destroy in a second but it takes years and years to reestablish.”

Muslim reaction against the pope’s remarks on Sept. 12 forced him to apologize, but he never put his regret in exact terms.


Although Bardakoglu expressed his approval of the pope’s regret, he reiterated that the remarks were “unacceptable.”


“It makes no difference whether deplorable remarks about Islam came from someone who is not a cleric, or from someone religious, of from someone important. What matters is to make up for such remarks…. But all this is in the past now. We’re looking ahead,” said Bardakoglu.


Afterwards the pope tried to improve his image by saying that he meant his words to be an explanation for a link between religion and reason, not between religion and violence.

Bardakoglu responded to the papal statements saying that they could lead to academic misinterpretation of the situation: “Islam does not disregard reason. There is evidence in the Quran that God takes into account the role of reason.”


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Ali Bardakoğlu was born in 1952 in Tosyar in the province of Kastamonu. He has been the President of Diyanet Isleri since May 2003. In 1975 he completed his studies of law at the Istanbul Marmara University and gained Bachelor title at this faculty. Later he became assistant for Islamic law at the High Islamic Institute in Kayseri. In 1982, he earned his PhD in Islamic studies at the Atatürk University and taught as Assistant professor at the theology faculty of the Erciyes University. From 1991 to 1992 he lived in the United Kingdom and in 1994 he visited the United States for the first time.
He is well known in Turkey and Europe as a moderate Islamic leader. He announced, in 2005, two women from Diyanet Isleri as vice muftis (i.e. professional jurists who interpret Islamic law and counselor who help local Muslims on religious issues) for the mosques of the Turkish cities of Kayseri and Istanbul. In February 2006 he participated as an honored guest in the opening ceremony of a Protestant church in Alanya.
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Assalamu Aleykum Brother,

If you ever come across, the brothers' reasons for not wearing a beard do tell me them.

Eesa.


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Also I've just come across:

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard.​

Islam Q and A http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=1189&ln=eng
 
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Hi Grace Seeker. :)


Realise that islaams fiqh issues (issues of understanding) are open to differences of opinions, so long as it doesn't contradict the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.) We know that even the companions of the Messenger of Allaah would differ on some aspects, for instance we know that once the Messenger of Allaah said to the muslims that they have to pray the 'asr [when the sun is declining] prayer when they reach Quraydha; some companions understood this to be that they have to pray when they reach that location even if they got late, some felt that if they reached their late - they may miss the prayer so they prayed in between the journey before reaching the location.



From there you can already see that the companions had a difference of fiqh (understanding) of what the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said. They used their understanding from what they had heard from the Messenger of Allaah to derive their own opinion [because they were knowledgable enough to derive this opinion. - i.e. scholars.]



Once they reached the place, they asked the Messenger of Allaah who was correct from among them, the Messenger of Allaah never disapproved none of them because they used their proof from the Messenger of Allaah and their best understanding of it.


From here you see how they have a difference of opinion, with their evidences [from the Qur'an and Authentic sayings of the Prophet.]





We also know that there will be different understandings of the texts in different situations. I.e. A person living in a dry desert is more likely to perform tayammum (dry ablution) compared to a person who lives in a rainforest. So the Authentic ahadith are open to interpretation. This could depend on the environment/location, or even the time - i.e. comparing todays issues to 1400years ago in matters of technology etc.


Therefore we can have a difference of opinion on fiqh so long as we have strong evidences, but we should choose the one with the most evidence [from the Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah] by asking a knowledgable scholar.


However, we should have a firm belief in matters of aqeedah (faith/belief etc.)



Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.
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Salam brother. Slightly off topic, but i see in your post you have a link fro harlow masjid. I heard they were raising funds for the masjid, but did not know it was complete. How long has it been, and do you live in harlow?
 
Fi_Sabilillah,

Thank-you. That was a helpful response.

Your illustration from the lives of the Companions is very instructive. I will try to remember that.
 
a brother told me today that in the Malaki madhab you are allowed to trim the beard right down to the chin of your chinny chin chin. Does anybody know what the :vomit: he is talking about?
 
Isaac said:
Salam brother. Slightly off topic, but i see in your post you have a link fro harlow masjid. I heard they were raising funds for the masjid, but did not know it was complete. How long has it been, and do you live in harlow?
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I'm not sure akhi :) its just a link to lectures, thats all i know.. Allaahu a'lam.



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Dear brothers and sisters,
shaving beard is haram but in this world, it is obligatory to get a job to shave beard especially to be an officer in Turkey. Indeed, I don't like shaving. A man looks more natural with beard. He is some womanish without beard. It is like wearing a woman's dress for a man. When I'm off and on holidays, I never shave. Try it, you will look more mannish with beard and mustache. The mustache is a symbol for a man in Turkey. Turkish muslim soldiers (Yeniçeri: New Chery) during the Ottoman Empire. They looked magnificient and macabre for Islam enemies. It is necessary for a man, I think. (!!!!!!????????)

What do you think about it?

next? to have mustache???????????????????????
 

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