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My Brothers and Sisters of Islam

Hello my name is John and I am Atheist.

I was a Christian at a young age, however after I have studied the history of Religion some what and now consider myself to be Scientific in nature.

I have viewed this PBS documentary and I found it so interesting about the history of religion and I wish to share it with you.

I would appreciate it if you could view it and let me know what you think about it.

Here is the link for the documentary.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6410112404402873027&q=naked+truth

Thank You for taking your time to respond.
 
My Brothers and Sisters

I found out I can not post links here yet, so I will ask this question.

I am Atheist and I do not understand why People of faith do not study the origin of their faith, in most cases they only study the Religious writings of the faith and not the history behind how other accent religions are part of their religion.

Once one has this understanding only then can they fully understand their faith.

What I am referring to are the Greek and Egyptian Gods like Amen RA, Mytheris, Hercules.

These Gods were before the time of Judaism yet they are the same story.

Thank You for your response

The Atheist
 
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You need to explain what exactly you mean, i in fact have studied many different religions since i was a child including their histories, everything from Christianity (was a catholic), Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and even briefly Hinduism which was the most complicated to get through, they all have similarities but are not the same story and the greek gods u refer to are not the same as Judaism. Show me some proof and do not assume religious people do not study their stuff and other stuff for that matter. What do you think scholars are?
 
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Have you studied the history of Islam?

I am Atheist and I do not understand why People of faith do not study the origin of their faith, in most cases they only study the Religious writings of the faith and not the history behind how other accent religions are part of their religion.
That's a biased view. If you believe in Islam then the previous prophets are not the "influences" of our religion, but simply knowlegde from teh same source, although slightly altered throughout history.

Once one has this understanding only then can they fully understand their faith.
First of All I doubt there's such a thing as truly understand or fully understand ones religion. Studying does of course help understand, and history is important. But if you believe the religious source to study history is just as accurate as the secular. At least in Islam ,where things haven't been concealed, texts haven't been altered etc...

What I am referring to are the Greek and Egyptian Gods like Amen RA, Mytheris, Hercules.

These Gods were before the time of Judaism yet they are the same story.
I don't think they have any influence in history, you're welcome of course to prove me wrong (please don't refer to links, make your own arguments, perhaps based on links)

Thank You for your response

welcome :)
 
Re: People of Islam

Show me some proof and do not assume religious people do not study their stuff and other stuff for that matter. What do you think scholars are?

My Proof:

The Egyptian God Amen-RA (Also known as the Son of God) He Died and Rose again 3 days later. He is also the reason Christians say Amen after thier prayers.
 
Re: People of Islam

The reason they say Amen...is cause it's the hebrew word for 'let it be'

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:)
 
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My Proof:

The Egyptian God Amen-RA (Also known as the Son of God) He Died and Rose again 3 days later. He is also the reason Christians say Amen after thier prayers.


might be a similarity but you are claiming the same and that has nothing to do with Islam so your point is invalid when you say all religions are the same as the ancient greek and egyption gods. by the way when you provide proof next time provide some educational or scholarly link or copy and paste with author or people will think u just made this up.
 
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Hi The Atheist!
Welcome to LI forum :)
I studied comperative history of religion at Uni for 2 years.
So some of us try to learn.
n.
ps: Hercules wasn't god ;)

Very good, Hurcules was a Hero figure not a God.

I believe Jesus never existed. It says in the Bible

"If Jesus had been on Earth, He not even would be a Priest"
Hebrews 8:4

Raglands, The study of Folklore

Takes the Hero and God figures from all of History and scores them on their simularities.

Jesus took third place with 19. Second place was Theseus with 20 and first place was Odeipus had 22 simularities.

In recorded history when the Christians were confronted with the fact that what they had wrote already existed they said that Satain had planned it that way to trick people. So this proves that they were copying from previous Mythology.
 
Re: People of Islam

This is to everyone here on this forum.

Science and Religion are branches of the same tree. They are trying to obtain the answers to the unknown questions of Man.

My objective, is to allow for the understanding that we do not know all the answers and it is ok to live in the mystery.

Reality is not the same for all people, at all levels of aspect. The Wealthy realize a different lifestyle and outlook than the Poor.

The Reality of the individual is dynamic yet connected and evolving with constant change. We are able to change and direct our Reality and this is the most important aspect of Reality.

I know this sounds confusing, yet when understood it is not so difficult.

Reality is a word and meaning that deserves great detail of study and understanding.
 
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And Islam is a word that expects great respect, CONSIDER IT :)

woot peace !
 
Re: My Brothers and Sisters of Islam

Greetings,

Welcome to the forum!

I hope you will find it both a beneficial and enjoyable stay here, God-Willing :).

I am sorry, but I did not have time to watch all of the video you posted. However, I saw the little part about the sun being a key feature of the major religions due to its association with life, which I think is inaccurate since in Islam, the sun and everything else was created by God (Allaah) and therefore has no power of its own.

I think it is important to check the validity of what we find on the internet, since many times misconceptions and inaccuracies arise.

Peace.
 
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hes trying to turn people away, forum troll, i honestly do not even know what he is talking about nor do i care
Why do you think he is a forum troll, trying to turn people away?
He clearly comes with an atheist message - that's his right. We do welcome people a different faiths and none, don't we?? :?

Sometimes people have different views to our own. That can be tought to deal with - especially if those people are knowledgeable and articulate in their argument! :rollseyes
No reason to try and talk badly about them, though, if you ask me.

Th Athiest is new here. Let's welcome him and hear him out. :)

Peace.
 
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This is how I view Reality and how I beleve a Bible writen in this day and age might look.

This is how I would like to see Religion today. I wrote this and I know you are of the Islam faith. Just for one minute look at what I wrote, It is ok to laugh at me but my goal would be to bring our small planet together as one.

Definition of terms
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Church The word church is derived through Middle and Old English cirice, circe from the Greek κυριακον "Lord's". However, most English versions of the New Testament use the word church to translate ecclesia, in Greek ἐκκλησία, literally "the called out" referring to those who are saved and not to a religious assembly. The Scots and Scottish English word kirk has a related etymology and is a cognate.
In English, the word can be used in reference to a gathering of people for a religious meeting but is sometimes used to refer to a building or group of buildings. It is also used to refer to a denomination that places the leadership of all congregations in a central location, such as the "Roman Catholic Church"; in this context it is usually capitalized. It can also be used in an institutional sense to refer to all churches, such as "the church today".
Although the Christian Bible says that the church is actually the body of believers, in Jewish times, the temple at Jerusalem held the presence of God in a place called the Holy of Holies. After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Bible says that the Holy Spirit (the presence of God) dwells within each believer.

Reality in everyday usage means "everything that exists." The term "Reality," in its most liberal sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable, accessible or understandable by science, philosophy, theology or any other system of analysis. Reality in this sense may include both being and nothingness, whereas "existence" is often restricted to being. (Compare with nature). But reality really means the consciousness of everything and everyone that exists, consciousness is reality and existense.
In the strict sense of European-German philosophy, there are levels or gradation to the nature and conception of reality. These levels include, from the most subjective to the most rigorous:

Science (from Latin scientia - knowledge) refers to a system of acquiring knowledge – based on empiricism, experimentation, and methodological naturalism – aimed at finding out the truth. The basic unit of knowledge is the theory, which is a hypothesis that is predictive. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge humans have gained by such research.
Most scientists feel that scientific investigation must adhere to the scientific method, a process for evaluating empirical knowledge under the working assumption of methodological materialism, which explains observable events in nature by natural causes without assuming the existence or non-existence of the supernatural. Less formally, the word science often describes any systematic field of study or the knowledge gained from it. Particular specialized studies that make use of empirical methods are often referred to as sciences as well. This article concentrates on the more specific definition.
Science as defined above is sometimes termed pure science to differentiate it from applied science, the application of research to human needs.
Fields of science may also be classified along two major lines:
• Experiment, the search for first-hand information, versus theory, the development of models to explain what is observed
• Natural science, the study of the natural phenomena, versus social science, the study of human behaviour and society
Mathematics is often referred to as a science, but the fruits of mathematical sciences, known as theorems, are obtained by logical derivations, which presume axiomatic systems rather than a combination of observation and reasoning. Many mathematical methods have fundamental utility in the empirical sciences, of which the fruits are hypotheses and theories.

Nature (also called the material world, the material universe, the natural world, and the natural universe) is all matter and energy, especially in its essential form. Nature is the subject of scientific study, and the history of the concept is linked to the history of science. The English word derives from a Latin term, natura, which was in turn a translation of a Greek term, physis (φύσις). Natura is related to the Latin words relating to "birth", while physis relates to Greek words relating to "growth". In scale, "nature" includes everything from the universal to the subatomic. This includes all things animal, plant, and mineral; all natural resources and events (hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes). It also includes the behaviour of living animals, and processes associated with inanimate objects - the "way" that things change.

Faith The word faith has various uses; its central meaning is similar to "belief", "trust" or "confidence", but unlike these terms, "faith" tends to imply a transpersonal rather than interpersonal relationship – with God or a higher power. The object of faith can be a person (or even an inanimate object or state of affairs) or a proposition (or body of propositions, such as a religious credo). In each case, however, the faithful subject's faith is in an aspect of the object that cannot be rationally proven or objectively known. Faith can also be defined as accepting as true something which one has been told by someone who is believed to be trustworthy. In its proper sense faith means trusting the word of another.
Religion (see etymology below) —sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine; and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe. In the course of the development of religion, it has taken many forms in various cultures and individuals.
Occasionally, the word "religion" is used to designate what should be more properly described as "organized religion" – that is, an organization of people supporting the exercise of some religion, often taking the form of a legal entity (see religion-supporting organization). There are many different religions in the world today.
Overview
With an estimated 2.3 billion adherents[1], Christianity is arguably the world's largest religion. Its origins are intertwined with Judaism, with which it shares much sacred text and early history; specifically, it shares the Hebrew Bible as the Old Testament.2 Christianity is considered an Abrahamic religion, along with Judaism and Islam (see Judeo-Christo-Islamic).
In the Christian scriptures, the names "Christian" and hence "Christianity" are first attested in Acts 11:26: "For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch Jesus' disciples were first called Christians" (Gr. χριστιανους, from Christ Gr. Χριστός, which means "the anointed").

Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on the stories it teaches about the life, and actions, of Jesus of Nazareth as recounted in the New Testament.
Denominations
Within Christianity, numerous distinct groups have developed, with diverse beliefs that vary widely by culture and place. Since the Reformation, Christianity is usually represented as being divided into three main branches:
• Eastern Christianity, includes the Oriental Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches, all with a combined membership of more than 240 million baptized members;
• Catholicism: With more than 1 billion baptized members, this category includes the Roman Catholic Church, the largest single body -- which includes several Eastern Catholic communities -- as well as certain smaller communities (e.g., the the Old-Catholics;
• Protestantism: The category includes numerous denominations and groups such as: Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Evangelical, Charismatic, Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, Anabaptists, and Pentecostals. The oldest of these groups separated from the Roman Catholic Church in the 16th-century Protestant Reformation. The later groups typically formed as separations from the older ones. Some Protestants identify themselves simply as Christian, or born-again Christian. Others, particularly among Anglicans and in Neo-Lutheranism, identify themselves as being "both Catholic and Protestant." Worldwide total is just under 500 million.
Other denominations and churches which self-identify as Christian but which distance themselves from the above classifications together claim around 275 million members. These include African indigenous churches with up to 110 million members (estimates vary widely), Jehovah's Witnesses with approximately 6.6 million members3, The Church Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also called Mormons) with more than 12 million members4, and other groups.5 The early leaders of most of these groups were originally Protestant adherents.
These broad divisions do not themselves encompass unanimity. On the contrary, some branches encompass vast disagreements, while in other cases the divisions overlook strong sympathies between/among the groups. Nevertheless, this tends to be the standard overview of distinctions, especially as viewed in the Western world.
A chart showing the development of various churches from their roots in early Christianity.
Beliefs
Jesus' crucifixion as portrayed by Diego Velázquez. Jesus' life, especially his crucifixion and resurrection, is the basis of Christianity.
Enormous diversity of belief exists among Christians. Nevertheless, certain doctrines have come to characterize the mainstream of Christian theology.
The Trinity
Main article: Trinity
The belief that God is a single eternal being who exists as three distinct, eternal, and indivisible persons: Father, Son (Divine Logos, incarnated as Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost).

6. Please refrain from typing extremely huge letters in order to get your message through.
 
Re: People of Islam

Just for one minute look at what I wrote
Are you kidding?
Where did you cut and paste that lot???
Give me a year or two, and I might try to read it all.

Don't make me regret I said we should hear you out! ;D

Peace.
 
Re: People of Islam

I just do not like the atheist view that religion should be abolished which i get from some people, even when i was not religious i didnt hold this hideaous attitude thank god, and i do not like how hes comparing all religions to be the same, just not something you do especially that its based on his opinion and not facts ( not hard facts anyway) i can come with a million conspiracy theories, doesnt mean i do it.
 
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and for ur info athiest, i am very scientific as well, you do not even realize that science and Islam can coexist together unlike many other religions so stop comparing it to be the exact of Chrisitianity and Judaism. :thumbs_do


and theres nothing more i dislike is a forum troll who copies and pastes, i can do that too but choose to use my own words instead of being a copy and paste addict
 
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just do not like the atheist view that religion should be abolished

I hate it when people generalise like this, it's as bad as thinking all muslims are terrorists...............
 

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