Toilet Paper Terrorist

[aamirsaab]

Muslims who are NOT Islamists are not called Muslim Radical Terrorists

'Islamists' is a made up word. The word you are looking for is Muslim. And no they aren't called Muslim Radical Terrorists, they are refered to as Islamists by the media or extremists. And it's not a nice thing to be called.

 

[akulion]

HeiGou

The IRA IS Christian - its all between protestants and catholics up there
Molosecivh IS Christian - its all about cleansing the land of Muslims
KKK IS Christian - its all about keeping "Gods" religion pure of Blacks

Its not about "motivation" at all - it is plain Bias!

 

[*Hana*]

Islamic terrorists are Muslims and do what they do because they are Muslims and so it is sensible to refer to them as such.

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)...It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself a spirit medium, and apparently wishes to establish a state based on his unique interpretation of Biblical millenarianism. The LRA have been accused of widespread human rights violations, including the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.
Kony is Christian that commits acts of terrorism based on scripture and the 10commandments.....where is the term Christian Terrorist applied to him?

In the United States, the most frequent examples of Christian terrorism include the intimidation of abortion clinic employees and patrons, and the murder of abortion providers by (occasionally self-professed Christian) anti-abortion extremists.

Notice how when searching for "Christian Terrorists", it's not labeling the Christian as a terrorist, but does differentiate by saying "self-professed" Christian, but the extremist portion describes the "anti-abortion" movement. Have you ever heard of "self-professed" Muslim in the news?? I think NOT!

The Ku Klux Klan...They use scripture to justify their beliefs, they are Christian and they are terrorists, yet the term "Christian Terrorist" never comes into play. The term "racist" comes to mind when describing them, but I know many racists that do not perform acts of terrorism. They ARE Christian terrorists.

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Despite their efforts, even until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity.

In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, supposedly engineered by the Church, the NLFT was born in 1989 with the help of the Baptist Church. Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed compulsion.

Are you going to tell us that's not Christian terrorism or Extremists too?

The man and boy that were shooting people randomly in Washington a couple years ago....remember him? He wasn't referred to as a poor, black man with serious mental problems. He was referred to as a Muslim extremist, even though his acts of murder had nothing to do with Islam!

No double standard? No media bias? I beg to differ!

Hana

 

[Nicola]

The point is even when Christians are killing each other, it isn't done to please God......to get into heaven...far from it!...it's a definate one way ticket to hell..also they are not trying to promote their religion at all...the fighting is over land.

When Muslims carry out a terrorist attact or chop off someones head..they do it to please Allah ..so they promote their religion.. or should I say demote

hope you can see the difference.

 

[mizan_aliashraf]

i dont think it was the toilet paper incident that really was the reason behind the killing
ill explain
my history teacher gave a very good example

suppose you hold a grudge or you dont like someone
and suppose you keep silent about it and just keep hating him more and more inside

one day he is simply tapping on something and you snap "STOP THE TAPPING IM TRYING TO CONCENTRATE YOU IDIOT!!"

now think, is it really the little tap that he is doing that caused the other guy to snap? or did the tapping trigger the release of all his anger that had built over the years?

i think in this case it was probably some other issue but the toilet paper incident triggered the final step to breaking out in anger thus causing the death of an innocent human

A very good example, but it still does not justify his actions
Wassalam

 

[*Hana*]

The point is even when Christians are killing each other, it isn't done to please God......to get into heaven...far from it!...it's a definate one way ticket to hell..also they are not trying to promote their religion at all...the fighting is over land.

When Muslims carry out a terrorist attact or chop off someones head..they do it to please Allah ..so they promote their religion.. or should I say demote

hope you can see the difference.

Obviously you didn't read what I posted!

Show me in the Qur'an where this is the teaching of Islam. Someone who says they are Muslim that commits a crime is committing a crime on their own, but you are insisting on associating him/her with Islam. You need to learn the difference between what people say and what a faith teaches.

As I have shown you, there are MANY Christian Terrorists that perform atrocities in the name of God, but you dismiss them. Plain and simple!!

Hana

 

[akulion]

The point is even when Christians are killing each other, it isn't done to please God......to get into heaven...far from it!...it's a definate one way ticket to hell..also they are not trying to promote their religion at all...the fighting is over land.

When Muslims carry out a terrorist attact or chop off someones head..they do it to please Allah ..so they promote their religion.. or should I say demote

hope you can see the difference.

Once again Bias!
Christians do it oh because the "satan got to them"
But Muslims do it because God told them?

Your statement is so absolutely ridiclous - read what u are writing and then Read what I wrote and what Hana wrote.

They are doing it to please God as well. KKK, LRA, NLFT, IRA, Molosovich are ALL motivated and justify themselves by the Bible and the Christian faith - yet u say they are not!

You can choose to be bias but remember God loves not the unjust!

 

[mizan_aliashraf]

Takbeer, finally someone who is willing to stand up for their religion. There is NO PART in the Qur'an which promotes such acts. People dont behead to please Allah, the only time it is permitted is capital punishment in which case the person to be beheaded is a criminal. And the capital punishment is deemed forgiveness for the criminal. He/She has paid the price for his/her actions by enduring capital punishment and so is forgiven.

 

[*Hana*]

Hmmm, just realized, I didn't even mention the atrocities and mass suicide of the Christian Terrorists, Rev. Jim Jones and David Koresh. There are so many to remember them all. But, they're just "lost sheep" right? They don't represent Christianity, even though they had a Christian Church, called themselves Christian, and some so far as calling themselves "Jesus". :rant:

Your double standards at work.

Hana

 

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum:

the only time it is permitted is capital punishment in which case the person to be beheaded is a criminal.

Thank you for adding that, brother. The next thing you know they would have brought up just punishment out of context as "proof" of allowing beheadings.

Wasalam
Hana

 

[aamirsaab]

The point is even when Christians are killing each other, it isn't done to please God......to get into heaven...far from it!...it's a definate one way ticket to hell..also they are not trying to promote their religion at all...the fighting is over land.

When Muslims carry out a terrorist attact or chop off someones head..they do it to please Allah ..so they promote their religion.. or should I say demote

hope you can see the difference.

I know what you're saying. Yes, some muslims do those actions to please Allah - they are misguided. Extremely misguided. If they were true to Islam as they'd like to think, they'd know that what they are doing is in fact a contradiction of what Islam stands for. The KKK and IRA are the same - misguided fools who misuse their religion to carry out disgusting acts. The media sadly forgets to point this out and so a very untrue picture is painted of muslims and Islam for the world to see.

 

[HeiGou]

The IRA IS Christian - its all between protestants and catholics up there

The IRA is not Christian. It is an atheistic Marxist-Leninist group (like ETA by the way) that happens to recruit mainly from a particular religious community.

Molosecivh IS Christian - its all about cleansing the land of Muslims

That would not explain why he was also fighting Croats (who are also Christians) and why the Croats (who are Christians) were allied with the Bosnian Muslims. Milosevic is a Serb and Serbian nationalism has a strong Serbian Orthodox tinge (and support from the Serbian Orthodox Church) but Milosevic was a life-long Communist until he decided to play the Serbian nationalism card. What he is not is a Christian, nor is he trying to establish a Christian state, nor is his ideology Christian in origin.

KKK IS Christian - its all about keeping "Gods" religion pure of Blacks

Well that is not true. The KKK used to argue God supported their work, but their motivation was and is racial, not religious.

Its not about "motivation" at all - it is plain Bias!

It is entirely about the ideology behind the killers. If you can find me a reference to the PLO or the DFLP or the PFLP which refers to them as Islamist I will be happy to apologise. But they do not.

 

[Nicola]

Show me in the Qur'an where this is the teaching of Islam

There is plenty in the Quran I don't agree with. But thats besides the point.

It's your religion but these radical Muslims haven taken over the moderate Muslim and took it on themselves to be the spokespeople of Islam to the world. It is they who tell us they are doing it in the name of Islam for God..where are they getting this idea from then, if not the Koran?

Why are you blaming non Muslims for what evil some Muslims show the world?
they are your brothers not mine.


btw...It isn't me who is insisting on associating him/her with Islam, but radical Muslims themselves..I'm sure you have heard them. The non Muslim is just a by-standing watching this mess.

 

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum:

Yes, brother, that's the point we're trying to make. But, most non-muslims don't see it that way.

Just because some yells, "Allahu Akbar" before committing a crime doesn't mean they are following Islam, just as the Christian that yells, "Praise Jesus" before committing a crime isn't following Christianity. But, according to most non muslims, those people are just mis-guided and going to Hell....unless of course, they accept Jesus as their saviour. Then again....they already have and committed a crime anyway...so now what? :rollseyes Anyway, that's another topic.

A Muslim that committs a crime is labelled a terrorist and savage....not just him though...ALL Muslims are now grouped into those categories. It doesn't matter that 99% of the 2.1 Billion Muslims in the world disagree with crimes of violence. Grrrrrrr I get so frustrated by the double standard. :heated:

Wasalam
Hana

 

[Nicola]

Once again Bias!
Christians do it oh because the "satan got to them"
But Muslims do it because God told them?

actually I believe Satan got to these Muslims also.
God is not hate.
He is a lovely father

 

[HeiGou]

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)...It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself a spirit medium, and apparently wishes to establish a state based on his unique interpretation of Biblical millenarianism. The LRA have been accused of widespread human rights violations, including the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.
Kony is Christian that commits acts of terrorism based on scripture and the 10commandments.....where is the term Christian Terrorist applied to him?

Well self-evidently he is a Christian terrorist. Have you looked to see if the term is applied to him? The International Criminal Court is seeking to try Kony for crimes against humanity which they have not done with a single Islamist terrorits.

In the United States, the most frequent examples of Christian terrorism include the intimidation of abortion clinic employees and patrons, and the murder of abortion providers by (occasionally self-professed Christian) anti-abortion extremists.

Which is undeniably Christian terrorism. Again their religion provides the motivation. They are not mere Christians who happen to be terrorists, they are terrorists because they are Christians of a certain type.

Notice how when searching for "Christian Terrorists", it's not labeling the Christian as a terrorist, but does differentiate by saying "self-professed" Christian, but the extremist portion describes the "anti-abortion" movement. Have you ever heard of "self-professed" Muslim in the news?? I think NOT!

No but the Western media does the equivalent which is to invariable wheel out some spokesman for the MAB or whatever who says "this is not real Islam" or "Islam is a religion of peace" or whatever.

The man and boy that were shooting people randomly in Washington a couple years ago....remember him? He wasn't referred to as a poor, black man with serious mental problems. He was referred to as a Muslim extremist, even though his acts of murder had nothing to do with Islam!

Where was he referred to as a Muslim extremist? You would have to ask about his motivations. People do not murder because they are poor or because they are Black. On the other hand, as one of the papers pointed out, wherever there is a terrorist incident anywhere in the world there is usually a man called Muhammed involved. And in this case, surprise, the man responsible happened to be called Muhammed. His acts had nothing to do with Islamic teachings, but he was called Muhammed.

No double standard? No media bias? I beg to differ!

Beg to differ but so far you have shown 1. Western media call Christian terrorists Christian terrorists and 2. Western media call Muslim terrorists Muslim terrorists. What double standard?

 

[HeiGou]

Just because some yells, "Allahu Akbar" before committing a crime doesn't mean they are following Islam, just as the Christian that yells, "Praise Jesus" before committing a crime isn't following Christianity.

It does not mean that they are following Islam as you understand it. But if they cry out Allahu Akbar the chances are pretty good they are following Islam as they understand it. Just as someone who cries out Praise Jesus is, presumably, a Christian.

A Muslim that committs a crime is labelled a terrorist and savage....not just him though...ALL Muslims are now grouped into those categories. It doesn't matter that 99% of the 2.1 Billion Muslims in the world disagree with crimes of violence. Grrrrrrr I get so frustrated by the double standard.

This flatly is not true. Even when Muslims kidnap, torture and kill a Jewish boy specifically because he was a Jew, the French authorities try to down play the racial aspect. For instance, see this BBC news item http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4723662.stm

Now even the BBC has had to admit, following mass protests in France, that the criminals were Muslims and anti-Semitism was the cause. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4735720.stm

You get upset but your statement is simply too strong. There is some bias in the media, but what you say is simply not true.

 

[HeiGou]

The KKK and IRA are the same - misguided fools who misuse their religion to carry out disgusting acts.

Find me a single example of the IRA referring to (a) religion or (b) a religious justification for what they do or (c) any religious aspect of their political program or (d) any plans for the role of religion in a future IRA-led Ireland.

The IRA is not a religious terrorist group. It is a Marxist Leninist one. As any child with three minutes expose to Ireland will tell you. They do not misuse their religion.

Now compare this with Osama Bin Laden who does what he does because he thinks it is pleasing to God.

 

[*Hana*]

There is plenty in the Quran I don't agree with. But thats besides the point.

It's your religion but these radical Muslims haven taken over the moderate Muslim and took it on themselves to be the spokespeople of Islam to the world. It is they who tell us they are doing it in the name of Islam for God..where are they getting this idea from then, if not the Koran?

Why are you blaming non Muslims for what evil some Muslims show the world?
they are your brothers not mine.


btw...It isn't me who is insisting on associating him/her with Islam, but radical Muslims themselves..I'm sure you have heard them. The non Muslim is just a by-standing watching this mess.

First: Where do Christian Terrorists get their ideas from if not from the Bible? Anyone can twist text...does it make it factual?
Second: How many of the 2.1 Billion Muslims in the world are committing crimes? The media chooses to focus on criminals that make up, probably, less than 1% of the entire Ummah. It is YOU associating all Muslims with a few. It is YOU that is negligent in learning the truth of Islamic teachings. Follow the teachings....not the followers.
Third: YOU put the label on Muslims....Muslims didn't do that. The non-muslims started this mess by illegally occupying their land and now blame Muslims when they want to defend themselves. Let me ask you...if a Muslim army invaded your country, would you just bow down to them or would you fight back?

Do you feel guilty about something? Who is blaming christians for anything? There are many evil people in the world, from all faiths, committing crimes against humanity. Seen any nice pictures from Iraq lately? You want to justify those attrocities and acts of terror committed by American and British soldiers? But, they just don't fear God, right? They are illegally occupying Iraq and when a Muslim tries to defend himself and his family....he's a terrorist, taken away, locked up and tortured. Ahhhh, the humanity portrayed by non muslims there is heart warming isn't it. :rant:

With all due respect...you need to learn more because you are grossly misinformed. Here's a hint: CNN doesn't always show both sides of reality. Islamic hate sites, don't always portray the truth about Islam. If you want to learn French, would you go to a German language class?

You have a serious double standard and are totally one sided in your line of thinking. You need to come outside the box and realize there are good and bad everywhere, but the small percentage of people that are bad do NOT represent the world.

Hana

 

[aamirsaab]

Find me a single example of the IRA referring to (a) religion or (b) a religious justification for what they do or (c) any religious aspect of their political program or (d) any plans for the role of religion in a future IRA-led Ireland.

The IRA is not a religious terrorist group. It is a Marxist Leninist one. As any child with three minutes expose to Ireland will tell you. They do not misuse their religion.

I retract my statement about the IRA - thank you kindly for informing me HeiGou. My statement on the KKK, however, still stands.

Now compare this with Osama Bin Laden who does what he does because he thinks it is pleasing to God.

Osama Bin Laden isn't the best example of a muslim. I personally disagree with the deaths he is responsible for, leaders of the KKK are no different.
Once again, thank you for correcting me on the IRA.