Tolerance, acceptance of Islam a valuable lesson

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Osman said:
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From what I understood, this would imply that a word like terrorism would be the doctrine, philosphy or motivation behind a practice like, for example, murder. Something like that?

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Well..more generally, the suffix "ism" can be added to a verb to make a noun of it...like "ostracize" and "ostracism" and doesn't always apply to a philosphy or common goal but it has certainly acquired that meaning more strongly in the 20th century.....eg., Nazism, Communism, Capitalism

Just like "genocide" was coined to express a particular type of organized, systematic murder, terrorism has come to mean the willful causation of terror (particularly among the helpless and innocent) to achieve some kind of political goal. So, I think in the common understanding, terrorism is understood to include a degree of planning to achieve a goal, which to be gained by causing widespread human suffering. In that sense it is a way of thinking or a belief system because it requires the adherent to dispense with the antiquated notion that innocents should not be murdered. It is more than simply sawing off a reporter's head. It requires that the act by publicized (Cho did that here too but there is nobody to credibly take up his cause..because he didn't really have one...except inside his own crazy head)

BTW, it is even possible to commit terrorism without murdering anyone (hijackings).

Bah...bad explanation..too many words :)
 
The word 'terrorism' has political connotations nowadays though, and it's not just causing terror that invokes the label, it's intending to cause terror.
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I think I'm possibly starting to agree with u but you mentioned its intending to cause terror. Was he also not doing that? He even made a video of himself with threats to everyone, holding a gun to himself (yes a nutcase lol), then he purposely goes in the school randomly shooting.

But you know i have to agree. It IS a difficult word to define. So I guess I could say I agree with that, partially. The reason why u cant call him a terrorist is cuz he was basically mentally disturbed. In other words, a psycho. That jus gets me to raise another question. How do we know other "terrorists" are not psychos? But I guess thats not for this thread.


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Muezzin said:
...In your case, can you really blame me? Take a look at many of your posts - all you seem to do is crack wise about Muslims, Islam, or Iran with little to no regard for the sensitivity of the areas you are probing with your ironic machete.
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I have certainly made fun of Iran. That is true. I have not purposely lampooned Islam or Muslims in general.

Also, that logic goes both ways: I've seen certain Americans cry 'Anti-American' every time someone makes a valid criticism of the government's policies. Surely, if I was posting on a forum about America (and it is clear that particular forum is pro-America) you'd come to the conclusion that I was anti-American if the majority of my messages were making caustic remarks about the American way of life or its government.
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Still, the claim of anti-Americanism doesn't have quite the baggage that a claim of racism or Islamophobia has. In fact, overt anti-Americanism is good for street cred in many parts of the world.

One day, the Americans (except the inveterate anti-American Americans) will pick up their marbles and go home.....and then you will all be sorry :)
 
Cognescenti said:
I have certainly made fun of Iran. That is true. I have not purposely lampooned Islam or Muslims in general.
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Then I have slandered you. I'm sorry.

Still, the claim of anti-Americanism doesn't have quite the baggage that a claim of racism or Islamophobia has. In fact, overt anti-Americanism is good for street cred in many parts of the world.
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True, but you see my point, right?

One day, the Americans (except the inveterate anti-American Americans) will pick up their marbles and go home.....and then you will all be sorry :)
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Nah, I actually don't want them to leave Iraq until they've cleaned up the mess that I believe wouldn't be there (or at least be so bad) if they had stayed out in the first place, but that's a debate/fight for another thread in this warzone. :p :)

And just to be clear, I'm not anti-American. The country and what it stands for are great. It's the current administration that I dislike.
 
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Muezzin said:
Then I have slandered you. I'm sorry.
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Nah.."slander" is way to harsh. It was more that you hurt my feelings and made me want to cry. :laugh:

Nah, I actually don't want them to leave Iraq until they've cleaned up the mess that I believe wouldn't be there (or at least be so bad) if they had stayed out in the first place, but that's a debate/fight for another thread in this warzone. :p :)

And just to be clear, I'm not anti-American. The country and what it stands for are great. It's the current administration that I dislike.
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No..I was talking about Americans leaving the forum..not Iraq :D

Bush will be out of office on January 20, 2009...then all those who dislike "current American policy" will annoint themselves with rosewater, addorn themselves in red, white and blue, march on the nearest US Embassy, join hands and sing "God Bless America" and the "Star Spangled Banner" until they are hoarse. :) :thumbs_up
 
Cognescenti said:
Shirien; That must be very satisfying to write a column like that. From where (or whom) does the hate mail come? If this is an example of your writing it seems quite sensible and is hardly hate-worthy.
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I'd imagine it would come from folks such as yourself.. good riddance and may Hugo soon follow in your footsteps of good riddance..

on a different note.. why doesn't shirin write here anymore?

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Pygoscelis said:
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and isn't it amazing that in contrast to the note of love, tolerance and abridging of differences as is in the original article of the editor and her supporter we get such a stark contrast of hate/ anger disharmony from our former resident troll and now out current ones!
It seems to upset you for one to point out the obvious.. if the forum here upsets your delicate balance then perhaps you are best suited for the dawkins one.. no hate or F words exist there from my understanding!

all the best
 
LOL! You guys crack me up. This place hasn't changed one bit. :D
 
Prof, I don't think he/she is going to answer you, given she left the forum years ago and that post you're replying to is 3 years old :p
 
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