Tolerance

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Tayyaba said:
Nope Im not, because all your posts basically sound the same. Whether directly or indirectly.
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Well then, you are left to believe what you believe. It would be pointless for you to try to persuade me of what I have said and meant. And pointless for me to humor you in this attempt to persuade me.

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And it would be pointless to escalate this little to-ing and fro-ing into an argument ;)

Let's stay on topic please everyone.
 
lots of muslims say that in islam, you can be gay and even have a boyfriend, but you just can't have gay sex. and maybe that's true.

but do islamic states follow that? not at all. in palestine, if someone comes out as being gay, they are killed by their own parents, and the police don't take any action. i even knew a muslim once who said all gays should be killed, and i asked him "what if your mom told you she was lesbian" and she said "i would slay her myself." Now that is the most intolerant thing i have ever heard.

and no where in the qu'ran does it say to kill gays. n fact, last time i checked, one of the first hadith verses say that you can only kill people for three reasons.. apostasy, theft, and adultery. now some say gay sex is adultery.. not from these definitions..

Adultery is generally defined as consensual sexual intercourse by a married person with someone other than their lawful spouse.

When one spouse has sexual intercourse with a third party. Grounds for divorce in some states and provinces.

does it say anywhere in there about homosexuals? nope.

not liking gays is not a surprise. most christians don't either, and most jews don't [at least not religious ones.] but do we kill gays? no. it is their life. who are we to judge them? you muslims can enforce shar'iah on yourselves if you want, but please don't force it on others.. especially non muslims and those who don't want to abide by it. God made people diverse not to fight, but to learn from each other. and that's somewhere in the qu'ran.

if no one is being hurt by it, why are we to judge? robbery's and murders obviously affect people. but do gays?

and one thing i seem to be noticing is how converts seem more intolerant then non converts. but then again, i hear a lot how new converts are putting a new, tolera face on islam.. so who knows.
 
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Well as long as u do NOT act upon it and control ur nafs(oneself) and seek forgiveneness and Guidance from Allah(swt), no one can. Because its ur intention that counts. If your intentions are good and do it for the sake of Allah, u r rewarded even for that.

Btw u said the same thing in a different thread and i gave u an answer similar to this. Anways i wont go off topic..

Peace
 
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It is the actions that are sinful.
 
Well someone can feel and think of things that are sinful as long as they keep it to themself and dont act on that. Try to control what is forbidden because Allah knows your intentions. Whatever involves you to "act" and is sinful is what u should try to avoid.
 
I still don't get it, I refrained from posting in this thread after having kinda established that noone can be tolerant all the time.

Then this thread has moved from, why are Muslims not tolerant of each other, i.e. sunni killing shi'as and others.

To intolerance towards homosexuals, to 'lets forget the Islamic state and just talk about what individual Muslims do'

If people want to ask why does a Muslim in palestine kill his son for being gay, then as we have established this is not something Islaam teaches, it would make sense that it is an individual matter which the individual knows about, and unlikely that every other Jamil, Jaffar and Sadiq would know of.
 
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