Toulouse murders stagger the French

[Aprender]

And you might be one of those people who believe whatever the media tells you as well. As a journalist we loved to lie/tell half-truths to sell papers. Just saying. You have to question everything in this day and age.

 

[GuestFellow]

On Monday, three children and a teacher were killed in front of Ozar Hatora, a Jewish school in Toulouse. The bloodiest attack on the Jewish community in France in 30 years happened with presidential elections 34 days away.

Salaam,

It is likely the attacks were focused on the Jewish community rather than some random civilians. So they were religiously/racially motivated in this case.

The weapon used by the murderer, the scooter he rode and his deliberate method suggested links with the murders last week of three paratroopers in Montauban and Toulouse.

I'm not entirely sure why he killed those paratroopers.

President Nicolas Sarkozy went to the school to offer his condolences.

I suspect he is using this event to score political points. If this is the case, then it is very sad for a public figure to gain popularity from the suffering of others.

Sarkozy said: “It seems obvious that the motivation here, attacking Jewish children and a teacher, was anti-semitic.

I guess Sarkozy was not paying attention in law school. No one is sure what he went on a rampage. It is likely the attack was aimed at Jewish people.

Where our soldiers are concerned, two of them were Muslims and the third was from the Antilles. We don’t know the motive there, but we could think that racism and murderous insanity were linked.”

This is what causes doubt on the claim that the attacks were motivated by hatred of Jews.

euronews: Do you think that politicians bear some responsibility, with the speeches they’ve made recently, sometimes quite forcefully, notably about immigration?

Very likely in my opinion.

Wolton: No, we can’t talk about cause and effect.

Why not? When someone commits a crime, you need to find out why they did it in the first place. Hopefully, then the police will be able to tackle the root cause of the crime and prevent it happening in the future.

Overall, I would not be surprised if the intelligence agencies were involved. Annie Machon had said, there was an explosion near an Israeli Embassy in the UK. Two Palestinians were falsely accused, arrested, convicted of a crime they did not commit and even though it has been acknowledged they were not behind the plot, they are still in prison. The explosion near the Israeli Embassy gained sympathy for Jewish people, made Palestinians look like the enemies and the Embassy got greater protection. Annie Machon suspected the Mossad were involved. Annie Machon worked for the MI5 until she decided reveal the agency secrets. Anyway, the point is, intelligence agencies may have been involved.

Funny thing is the cops that were killed were Muslim from a Morrocan background but no mention of that in mainstream media.. one newspaper actual went so far to speculate it was an 'angry terrorist Muslim'...

Well that's the mainstream media for yeah. They want publicity, which is often achieved by using explosive vocabulary to gain knee-jerk reactions from the public.

Did you see how crazy the Israeli officials went when an EU official placed Gaza children dying and the Toulouse murders in the same category.

I would have thrown a tomato at those Israeli officials and tell them to shut up. :/

On a serious note, Israeli politicians are not known to be sane.

Overall, it is really sad what has happened and I hope a thorough investigation will reveal what exactly happened. I doubt this boy could gave done all of this by himself. Whoever was involved ought to be shot.

 

[جوري]

Let's cut the BS,

Yes pretty please do cut the BS!

there is nothing you will believe about this case that comes from the French authorities and media, is there?

Why would I? Because their track record for pointing out ' Al-Qaeda terrorists' has been immaculate thus far?

You are sadly one of those people that will excuse, deny, cry conspiracy whenever one who you consider is from your side perpetrates an unspeakable act.

Like I said thank God for your presence here, to share all your psychic abilities and that venerable wisdom!

best,

 

[جوري]

And you might be one of those people who believe whatever the media tells you as well. As a journalist we loved to lie/tell half-truths to sell papers. Just saying. You have to question everything in this day and age.

It is actually very convenient to find a 'Muhammad' to pin the crimes on and kill and I don't they'd have had it any other way!

 

[Abz2000]

this guy had apparently applied for a job in the french army and was refused due to his past record,
so it wouldn't be far fetched to assume he'd be into weapons anyway, and may have had a bunch of illegal ones which could take him down for a long time.also, the fact that they had traded a mobile phone with him in exchange for a pistol he threw them, and then began jamming the signal whenever he tried to call out shows that something is rotten there, he was allowed to speak to them but not anyone else?
anyone with half a brain knows how easy it is for the mobile operator to intercept his calls and cut them off if anything is untoward, and it would have helped to understand what was really happening if he was allowed to explain his take on the matters.
all this coming at a time when many french people would have been demanding an end to these illegal wars and bankruptsy is suspicious.
reminds me of how quickly they disposed of lee harvey oswald and closed the case.
and yes, i haven't forgotten all the lies they told about jean charles de menezes, the kid who they shot dead in cold blood a couple of weeks after the 7/7 false flag in london,
claiming he had run from police, had wires hanging out of his "padded" jacket, vaulted over the barriers, ran down the escelators with police shoutring at him to stop, and jumped on the train ready to blow up a device.
and the cameras all malfunctioned on the day.
it later turned out that they had followed him down the street, he had picked up a metro newspaper at the train station, used his oyster pass to get through the barrier, was wearing a light denim jacket with no with no wires of any sort hanging out, gone down the escalator and casually got on the train.
and the pigs had come onto the train, ordered everyone off, one sat on him while the others shot him multiple times to the head at point blank range, while people watched.
and oh, none of the cameras malfunctioned that day, and they were forced to admit and release the tapes.

the effect the events had is interesting - since it comes at such a critical time in france.
one woman outside stockwell tube station who supported the event claiming his "visa must've run out" had said: "i think people should give up their liberty for freedom".
not even knowing that she was speaking in orwellian doublespeak, and that liberty and freedom are essentially the same thing.

one may ask why he shot and didnt give himself in.
well, if an armed person hears of all thats happening and gets told on the phone they give him that he's gonna be killed anyway in order to freak him out -
i'm sure anyone could deduce what the rational thing to do would be.

i'm not saying that this man is guilty or innocent, but i am sure that the french government has been proven unreliable and treacherous, and that they wouldn't hesitate to kill a few soldiers who are sick of their crimes and about to renegade,
and a few jewish kids to gain a public opinion, in order to continue the wars of aggression on behalf of the bankers and arms merchants.

 

[AKM]

Yes pretty please do cut the BS!

Why would I? Because their track record for pointing out ' Al-Qaeda terrorists' has been immaculate thus far?

Because there have been way too many examples of Muslim extremists ready and willing to murder innocents. But please, keep denying that.

Like I said thank God for your presence here, to share all your psychic abilities and that venerable wisdom!

best,

No need for any psychic abilities, you've made it perfectly clear in this thread, as soon as the monster was revealed to be a Muslim extremist you've immediately turned him into an innocent victim.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

they killed the 'suspect' in a standoff without trial.. convenient.. moral of the story you don't stand a chance as a Muslim

They waited for more than 24 hours to arrest him alive. The suspect shot and wounded 3 policemen and was requested to surrender. If this "suspect" was so innocent why did he shoot at the police and was still shooting while jumping out of the window. It's time Muslims acknowledge that there are bad apples among us who are violent radicals and kill innocent people.

 

[جوري]

repeat post

 

[جوري]

Because there have been way too many examples of Muslim extremists ready and willing to murder innocents. But please, keep denying that.

Maybe 'Muslim extremists' exist because way too many christian extremist ****s are willing to murder innocents?

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134311994-muslim-woman-beaten-death-hate-crime.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)

but please keep denying it .. or maybe you're just too good to be true?

No need for any psychic abilities, you've made it perfectly clear in this thread, as soon as the monster was revealed to be a Muslim extremist you've immediately turned him into an innocent victim.

Guess we'll never know just how monstrous his monstrosity without a trial.. but again thank God for your psychic abilities..

They waited for more than 24 hours to arrest him alive.

Oh is that the time allotted before shooting at suspects? The French have demonstrable skills when it comes in ambulatory care and catching rabid suspects-- by the way he shot & killed other Muslims or are they French/American/British/Afghan etc. citizens when killed but only 'Muslim terrorist extremists' when shooting?..
guess you were making another one of your funnies.

 

[AKM]

Maybe 'Muslim extremists' exist because way too many christian extremist ****s are willing to murder innocents?

(Muslim Woman Beaten to Death in Hate Crime)

Only a hate filled bigot could have done something this despicable, unfortunately there are plenty of those in the US.

but please keep denying it .. or maybe you're just too good to be true?

According to your own link Afghans are being slaughtered both by NATO AND by other Muslims especially in the recent years where MORE deaths are caused by insurgents, or are you only going to pick and choose what you like to hear?

And of course the Afghanistan insanity started after Bin Laden and his religious extremist followers have murdered 3000 people in under two hours on 9/11 but how very convenient of you to ignore that little fact...

In any case, NATO should have focused on Al Qaeda, invading and occupying Afghanistan and especially Iraq has only made the problem immensely worse.

Guess we'll never know just how monstrous his monstrosity without a trial.. but again thank God for your psychic abilities..

You'll never know huh? Oh I forgot, you don't believe the enemy authorities and media. Ask his brother then, he's very proud of his little sibling...

 

[جوري]

Only a hate filled bigot could have done something this despicable, unfortunately there are plenty of those in the US.

They're 'hate filled bigots' but not christian stealth crusading terrorists?
http://motherjones.com/politics/2002/05/stealth-crusade

According to your own link Afghans are being slaughtered both by NATO AND by other Muslims especially in the recent years where MORE deaths are caused by insurgents, or are you only going to pick and choose what you like to hear?

Yes indeed 'recent years' is the operative word here.. one does wonder why?:
unknown Americans' are provoking civil warhttp://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-seen-through-a-syrian-lens-unknown-americans-are-provoking-civil-war-in-iraq-475889.html

And of course the Afghanistan insanity started after Bin Laden and his religious extremist followers have murdered 3000 people in under two hours on 9/11 but how very convenient of you to ignore that little fact...

There was no interest in Afghanistan from 327 BC? no British defeat in 1842? or Soviet one of recent memory?.. This all started with Bin Laden? :lol: You're an uneducated oaf but it is entertaining.
I am not going to touch on Whether Usama was or wasn't responsible for '911' but prior to 911 what were the Americans doing bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan?
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/khartoumbomb.html
and let's see what else:

• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Libya 1982 - USA shoots down 2 Libyan jets.

• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Lebanon 1982-84 - US bombs and shells Muslim positions, expels PLO from territory.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Iraq 1987-88 - US supports and arms Saddam Hussein's Iraq in war against Iran[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Iran 1988 - US shoots down Iranian passenger airliner, killing 290 civilians. Claims it was an "accident"[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Libya 1989 - US bombs capitol Tripoli killing 55 civilians. Calls it "collateral damage".[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Kuwait 1991 - US invades Middle East, contradicting its position by intervening in inter-Arab affairs. Returns Kuwaiti Monarchy accused of human right abuses to throne.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Iraq 1990 - today - US randomly bombs civilian areas. Blockades Iraqi ports, allows no humanitarian or medical aid. est. 10,000 Iraqi's starve/die monthly as result.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Somalia 1992-94 - US sends in humanitarian aid. Becomes involved in Civil war, takes sides attacking one Mogadishu faction. Kills 500+ Somalis[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Sudan 1998 - US bombs Aspirin Factory in Khartoum killing civilians.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Afghanistan 1998 - US missiles kill 28 civilians[/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Afghanistan 2001 - ?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]I am not even going to touch upon [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Foreign assassinations including of its own citizens. [/FONT]

In any case, NATO should have focused on Al Qaeda, invading and occupying Afghanistan and especially Iraq has only made the problem immensely worse.

Sure sure..

You'll never know huh? Oh I forgot, you don't believe the enemy authorities and media. Ask his brother then, he's very proud of his little sibling...

I'll remember that when you're denied due process and your family stands by your side..
thanks for the hearty guffaw otherwise nothing quite like an ignoramus with such an open display for entertainment with my morning cup of Joe!

best,[/FONT]

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Oh is that the time allotted before shooting at suspect? We should all make a mental note of that, by the way he shot at other Muslims.. what does that make him?
guess you were making another one of your funnies.

He was shot not because the time was up, he was shot because he refused to surrender and when approached shot at the police. And then he tried to escape from the window still shooting at the police and eventually died in the encounter. He just used Islam and the Palestinian cause as an excuse to kill innocent people. He was radicalized and brianwashed. Time to accept the harsh reality.

 

[جوري]

He was shot not because the time was up, he was shot because he refused to surrender and when approached shot at the police. And then he tried to escape from the window still shooting at the police and eventually died in the encounter. He just used Islam and the Palestinian cause as an excuse to kill innocent people. He was radicalized and brianwashed. Time to accept the harsh reality.

What harsh reality? So many amiable dunces on the forum.. I think that's indeed an excellent discernment of your own psyche and a projection of your own state of mind you seem to parrot similar **** to your predecessor with linear thought and no policymaking insight or any understanding of geopolitics whatsoever.
It almost irks me to waste my time on your ilk!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

What harsh reality?

The fact that there are bad apples among the Muslims who deliberately target innocent civilians because of their hardcore brainwashed violent ideology and interpretation of Islam.

****

What did you wanted to say there. At least provide the first letter. Look, I am not saying the west doesn't commit crime or is an angel. In fact, they commit more atrocities than the violent Muslim radicals do. But, we also have to acknowledge that we are not all angels as well. That's my only point.

 

[Abz2000]

He just used Islam and the Palestinian cause as an excuse to kill innocent people. He was radicalized and brianwashed.

who told you that? the french media?
sarkozy?
i prefer to admit that they are liars and unreliable in giving news.
i dont even know the man, but immediately felt that something was wrong in their narrative.
and if there was a person you don't know and a person whom you know is a liar,
who's narrative would you suspect?

O ye who believe! If a FAASIQ - wicked person/transgressor comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth,
lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
49:6

i remember i used to sometimes wonder like you, when we heard all those 9/11 lies that there must be some really evil wannabe Muslims, ...................until i realized all the lies they told about us.
let me get this straight, i am not prepared to believe their narrative about another Muslim unless i see the evidence myself, and even then i would wonder how much of a hand they had in entrapment.

‘The Believer seeks excuses for his brothers, whilst the hypocrite seeks out their faults.’
Ibn Maazin

‘If one of your brothers commits an error, then seek ninety excuses for him, and if not, then you are the blameworthy one.’
Hamdoon al-Qassaar

“If you find see something you don’t like in a brother, try to find 1-70 excuses for him. And if you can’t find an excuse, say ‘There might be an excuse, but I don’t know it.’ Imam Jafar as-Sadiq

 

[جوري]

who's narrative would you suspect?

A la mode of underwear bomber.. so this guy can roast his cashews and rest easy!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

who told you that? the french media?

Yes. Unless you were there yourself, one has to rely on certain sources. If you have better sources pls disclose them. I prefer to live in the true world instead of a world where "everyone is conspiring against us"...Your sympathy for the suspect is based on absolutely nothing. My criticism is based on a lot of sources.

 

[جوري]

That's my only point.

You waste my time with a non-point. It is a judicial matter that should have come out in court..
As bad as their system is, surely they train them to shoot suspects whom they need to question in a way to take them down and not completely kill them unless of course they wanted them silenced-- or was that too much of an abstract thought that you'd rather put under the umbrella of conspiracy lest one of the gods you worship is displeased with the directionality of your reasoning?
Easier to throw someone under the bridge or millions for that matter than ask the right questions.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

can roast his cashews and rest easy!

getting personal eh?^o)

 

[جوري]

getting personal eh?^o)

Not to even with a rotted stick!