Travelling without a Mahram




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i'm going to travel more than 50 miles to stay in a uni for a week with a female muslim friend. is this islamically correct? there will be seperate rooms for every student. :?



---there is no verse in holy Quran that prohibits women to travel alone. There is a hadith that prohibits women travel without Muharim ( i.e. dad/bro/husband ). There is also a hadith that says ( not the exact words ) --in a future time , women will be safe to travel alone for Hajj or travel at night without fearing.

So , if it's safe & urgent , then u can go. Unless don't take unnecessary risk as travelling alone could be dangerous. Try to travel with dad/bro .

 
Its about using your sense and protecting your integrity.

Of course there are places I wouldn't go alone, but thats my choice and sense.

I mean Islam being protective of women is brilliant.
However when one manipulates it to make a woman feel a like she is a fool / or sinning for travelling alone thats when I take issue.

Unless Allah specified so.
 
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If the guys tell us this often enough we might start to believe it :D
but i doubt it

I travelled to Korea for a month alone, and I can tell you now I didn't need a man. (except for lifting suitcases ha ha ha that would have been nice)

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It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to travel by airplane or by any other means without a mahram accompanying her during her journey. This is due to the generality of the statement (of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)):

((A woman is not travel except with a mahram)), [transmitted by al-Bukhaaree - No.1862 and Muslim - No.1339]; and its authenticity is agreed upon (by both al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).

This is because so long as she has no-one to protect her, it is quite possible that she may be exposed to or subjected to something which is (Islaamically) dangerous during her journey, by whatever means.

And another matter is that sometimes airplanes come across mechanical problems, so it has to land at an airport other than that of the destination. In this case, the passengers are acommodated in a hotel or otherwise wait until repairs are carried out, or even until a replacement airplane is made available. So they could well be waiting for a long time, possibly a day or more. In this (case), a woman travelling by herself is exposed to that which is (Islaamically) dangerous.

All in all, the hidden aspects of the Islaamic Sharee'ah are many and great, and there is no doubt about the danger of falling foul of it without an Islaamically acceptable reason.

May Allaah grant everyone success in understanding the Religion (Islaam), and firmness upon it, indeed He is in charge of all affairs.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Majmoo' Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi'ah - Volume 16, Page 383
This correspondence is numbered: 1803/kh and dated 05/08/1395H by the Shaykh's office

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It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to travel by airplane or by any other means without a mahram accompanying her during her journey. This is due to the generality of the statement (of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)):

((A woman is not travel except with a mahram)), [transmitted by al-Bukhaaree - No.1862 and Muslim - No.1339]; and its authenticity is agreed upon (by both al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).

This is because so long as she has no-one to protect her, it is quite possible that she may be exposed to or subjected to something which is (Islaamically) dangerous during her journey, by whatever means.

And another matter is that sometimes airplanes come across mechanical problems, so it has to land at an airport other than that of the destination. In this case, the passengers are acommodated in a hotel or otherwise wait until repairs are carried out, or even until a replacement airplane is made available. So they could well be waiting for a long time, possibly a day or more. In this (case), a woman travelling by herself is exposed to that which is (Islaamically) dangerous.

All in all, the hidden aspects of the Islaamic Sharee'ah are many and great, and there is no doubt about the danger of falling foul of it without an Islaamically acceptable reason.

May Allaah grant everyone success in understanding the Religion (Islaam), and firmness upon it, indeed He is in charge of all affairs.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Majmoo' Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi'ah - Volume 16, Page 383
This correspondence is numbered: 1803/kh and dated 05/08/1395H by the Shaykh's office

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Like i said before if you have no mahrams available to you it makes no difference if you travel 45kms or 4500kms.

What would you have me do?
Never leave my house?
I have to travel more than 45 kms just to get to my parents house.
So should I quit work, and live in the countryside with my parents (who don't want me living with them..) earning nothing because of the rural setting ....all because i have to travel that 80kms on my own?

Get a reality check here
 
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Like i said before if you have no mahrams available to you it makes no difference if you travel 45kms or 4500kms.

What would you have me do?
Never leave my house?
I have to travel more than 45 kms just to get to my parents house.
So should I quit work, and live in the countryside with my parents (who don't want me living with them..) earning nothing because of the rural setting ....all because i have to travel that 80kms on my own?

Get a reality check here

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with things like this, speak to a scholar n let them advice you. evrything in lile should be for the sake of Allah as it was said by ibn qayuum rahimaulah. am sorry sis for i didn't kno that u have no mahram. what i posted was a general ruling. but the deen looks at the person in specific. may Allah give us the tawfeeq to do everything for his sake. 'wakaanal insanu akthara shayiin jadalaa'.

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I mean Islam being protective of women is brilliant.
However when one manipulates it to make a woman feel a like she is a fool / or sinning for travelling alone thats when I take issue.

Unless Allah specified so.

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Sis who do you think made the law that women aren't meant to travel alone? The shaykhs didn't make it up, Allah already specified it!!!

Get a reality check here

Or perhaps you should just get a mahram. :) It would seem the only way you can do that is to get married. Remember that there is a reason Allah made these rules. They aren't 'just because'.

It gives the impression women are not able to defend themselves, which is ridiculous. I've seen some mean ladies....

Ridiculous to think that women are physically weaker than men?:exhausted I don't know about you, but where I live (I like to call it planet earth...) most women are not able to physically overpower men... fact of life...
 
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Sis who do you think made the law that women aren't meant to travel alone? The shaykhs didn't make it up, Allah already specified it!!!
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Really?
Can you quote me the quranic verse then please?
I'm well aware its in Hadith, but I'm also aware that the line quoted was one line without context and i'm not prepared to swallow it until its proved.


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Or perhaps you should just get a mahram. :) It would seem the only way you can do that is to get married. Remember that there is a reason Allah made these rules. They aren't 'just because'. ...

I am actually looking for marriage Malaikah not that its anything to do with you. And not for this reason either. I'm well aware that there are always seen and unseen reasons behind the rules in Islam, if I didn't believe that I wouldn't have reverted so get off your self righteous high horse.


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Ridiculous to think that women are physically weaker than men?:exhausted I don't know about you, but where I live (I like to call it planet earth...) most women are not able to physically overpower men... fact of life...

You'd be surprised what a woman is able to do when her instinct for survival kicks in. And obviously in the majority we are not stronger but we can definitely be smarter. As I said, its about using your sense and cop on and protecting your integrity.

And just as an aside, I fought off a rapist once so I totally agree with the sister.
 
Perhaps you are correct when you said there are more important things to learn about Islam before one gets to travelling without a mahram... I would suggest you start with manners.
 
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Let's all control ourselves inshaa Allaah, otherwise the thread will have to be closed.
 
Malaikah, I apologise for what I said, hope you can forgive me.

I'm very sorry

salam sister
 
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A Woman Traveling Without a Chaperone| Shaikh Sâmî al-Mâjid|


The Islamic legal rulings that pertain to the daily affairs of life are always connected to the welfare of the people in their individual lives and in their relationships with each other. Such rulings, therefore, have causes that can be grasped by reason and understood in a clear and precise manner.

These rulings differ from those that pertain to acts of worship, since acts of worship are connected to the benefits of the Hereafter and our direct relationship with Allah. Such matters are generally not discernable to the human intellect. Many great scholars have tried to determine the wisdom behind why we do certain things in prayer and in pilgrimage - and quite often they have failed and said: "This is purely a matter that we must accept on faith. Allah knows best about it."

The ruling that a woman may not travel without her husband or a male escort from her immediate family (a mahram) falls under the first category of rulings. We can appreciate the reason for the prohibition. When we understand that the reason for this prohibition is the fear for her sanctity and honor and the fear that she might be taken advantage of or raped, then we know that the issue is one that needs to be weighed in light of the benefits and harm present in a given situation.

Therefore, we have the opinion in Islamic Law that it is permissible for a woman to travel without a mahram when she is reasonably assured of her safety or when traveling poses no more danger for her than staying at home. The latter situation is often the case in non-Muslim countries where walking down her own street can be more dangerous for her and full of temptation that sitting on board an airplane. The environment of an airplane is quite often safer and more wholesome than that of the neighborhood in which she lives.

From this point of departure, we shall present the evidence and juristic reasoning of the people of knowledge:

`Adî b. Hâtim relates that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said to him: "O `Adî, have you seen al-Hîrah (a region in Iraq)."

`Adî replied: "I have not seen it, but I have heard of it."

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: "If you live long enough, you will see a woman departing by camel in a litter and traveling until she reaches the Ka`bah without fearing anyone but Allah."

`Adî informs us that he thought to himself: "Where are the robbers and bandits who run rampant through the land?" Then `Adî says: "I have seen a woman travel by camel litter from al-Hirâh to the Ka`bah fearing no one but Allah." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

This hadîth shows us that it is permissible for a woman to travel unescorted if the road is safe. Someone might argue that the statement of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is merely reporting that such a thing would one day take place, not that it is permissible. However, this argument is weak. This statement is made in a context of praising Islam and showing its future ascendancy. Therefore, it must be assumed that what is being used to indicate such praise is permissible in and of itself. Moreover, `Adî b. Hâtim saw this woman and did not condemn her action, nor did anyone else.

Al-Bâjî, in al-Muntaqâ, writes: "Perhaps what some of our scholars have said (regarding prohibition) refers only to cases where the woman is alone or with a small group. As for the great caravans and the secure major thoroughfares, they are to me no different than the places of residence that are filled with markets and merchants. In such cases, her safety is secured without the presence of a mahram or female companions. This opinion has been related to us from al-Awzâ`î."

Qâdî `Iyâd, when discussing the prohibition of a woman traveling without a mahram to escort her, says: "This refers only for a young woman. As for an older woman who is less enticing, she can travel anywhere she wants without her husband or a mahram. Ibn Daqîq al-`Id: considers this a specification of a general ruling in consideration of the meaning behind it."

The great jurists Mâlik and al`Awzâ'î - and also al-Shâfi`î in his more prevalent opinion - rule that a mahram escort is not a condition for a woman to make her obligatory pilgrimage. The only condition is that she will be safe on the journey. Al-Shâfî'î says: "Safety can be achieved by her being chaperoned by her husband or her mahram, or by the company of other trustworthy women."

Some scholars have said that if it is safe enough, she needs no one to accompany her. She can travel alone along with the caravans and be safe. This is indicated by the hadîth of `Adî that we mentioned earlier.

Permissibility is even more certain when a woman cannot find a mahram and her best interests are to be secured by her traveling. Permissibility is indisputable in cases where travel becomes a necessity for her, on account of the principle in Islamic Law that necessity makes unlawful things permissible. This is why the scholars have permitted a woman to travel unescorted to emigrate from a non-Muslim country to a Muslim one. In some situations, they even declare such a journey to be obligatory upon her.

And Allah knows best. And may the peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad.
 
Malaikah, I apologise for what I said, hope you can forgive me.

I'm very sorry

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Thats okay.:) I'm sorry too if my original post offended you into making those comments. It wasn't meant to offend at all.
 
Depending on this general text, some scholars are of the opinion that a woman should not travel by herself. Other scholars stipulate that her travel is permissible in the company of a trustworthy group of men or men and women. The prohibition conveyed by the hadith is justified by fearing that the woman may be exposed to mischief or temptation if she travels alone, bearing in mind that the dangers of travel were numerous in the past. Caliph `Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) allowed the Prophet’s wives (Mothers of the Believers) to travel for Hajj with a group of believers and sent with them `Uthman ibn `Affan and `Abdul-Rahman ibn `Auf.

In the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to `Adiy ibn Hatim we read: “If you live long, you will see the woman travel from Hirah (a city in Iraq) to circumambulate the Ka`bah fearing none but Allah.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)

This confirms that the cause (of the prohibition) is fear (of insecurity). If security is guaranteed and fear is no more present, a woman may travel, particularly nowadays when travel has become easy, whether by air, train or coach. In all these means of transportation, company is available and security is realized for the Muslim woman.

this is interesting because it takes in to account the motives behind the prohibition and that change in the times.
that's kind of unusual, isn't it?
i do realize that you said "some" scholars.
 

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