Trinity led me to Islam

[siam]

@ hugo

"Recently two good friends died suddenly and within weeks of each other."
I am sorry for your loss. I hope you will remember that God is most Compassionate, most Merciful.

As a Muslim, I find it frustrating that Christians futiley try to explain the trinity---when will they get it into their heads that this cannot be explained to Muslims....? Christians can't even agree within themselves about all the convoluted doctrines......

There are many converstions that Muslims and Christians can have together---trinity is simply not one of them.

 

[Hugo]

You should try answering the previous questions before posing new ones!

Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.

You should see a counselor!

I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.

 

[Hugo]

@ hugo "Recently two good friends died suddenly and within weeks of each other."
I am sorry for your loss. I hope you will remember that God is most Compassionate, most Merciful.

As a Muslim, I find it frustrating that Christians futiley try to explain the trinity---when will they get it into their heads that this cannot be explained to Muslims....? Christians can't even agree within themselves about all the convoluted doctrines......

Thank you for your kind words.
The trinity cannot be explained to anyone, it is a mystery but Christians accept it based on what they find in the NT. Because it cannot be explained does not mean it is not true and like almost everything in Islam and Christianity it is in the end down to a matter of faith and the evidence of that faith in your life and attitudes. I might add in passing that even in Islam there is not universal agreement over doctrine is there and I think it was your prophet who spoke about 73 sects and I guess they all claim to be pure Islam in some way.

There are many converstions that Muslims and Christians can have together---trinity is simply not one of them.[/QUOTE]

 

[جوري]

Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.

I never asked you for the christian concept of Jesus as it is utterly nonsensical and completely inconsequential to me personally and to the discussion. Further, the question isn't whether I am able to answer it is whether I want to, frankly since your existence here you've done nothing but waste everyone's time and have displayed little to no interest in what anyone has to say-- I don't see why anyone should give you the time of day?!

I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.

I think you should see a counselor as it is evident from your writing here that you've multiple issues to workout. If God had been your counselor you'd not be *****ing about his divine will!
I have NO desire to cast pearls before swine-- if you're happy with your faith, your mangod, your man made laws then display it by having peace in your ways and in your heart, not by being a seething troll who jumps at every opportunity to profess beliefs and opinions he clearly doesn't espouse!

all the best

 

[M.I.A.]

Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.


I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.

its like that billie jean video.

lol sorry to be flippant.

 

[IAmZamzam]

I find it interesting how so many conversion stories such as the one in the OP make such a point of the purity and emphasis of Islam's monotheism as a strong part of what drew them. I wonder why it's such a common selling point. Perhaps there is a monotheistic instinct we're born with and love on some level to see confirmed?

 

[M.I.A.]

people turn to islam because it is the truth,
we can only understand what we love when we have...for lack of a better word khadder or an understanding of the value of such a thing.

when we have no money for a long period of time and then we have money we have probably learned the value of that money.
when you are without love for a long time and then you find love by then you have probably learned the value of love.
when you are without truth for so long when you finally have it you should probably know the value of such a thing.

 

[TheRationalizer]

Hi Roger

The Trinity never made any sense to me either. A Christian proselytiser recently approached me and I asked him to show me where in the Bible Jesus says we should worship him. The best he could do was to show me that the Maji went to worship Jesus, and the Maji surely weren't stupid.

The idea that God would NEED to come to Earth as a human in order to understand us makes no sense to me, and the idea that God would come to Earth as a human to act as a human sacrifice (disgusting thought) in order to change laws that he himself created in the first place....again illogical.

As far as I know the bible doesn't say that Jesus and God are one. This idea was from Peter wasn't it? Some guy who never met Jesus, during a long journey on a hot road sees Jesus and God who basically say "Oh, forgot to tell you guys, I am God". Just some single guy with extraordinary claims and not a single miracle to prove the origin of his message and no witnesses to corroborate that they saw God talking to him.