Truth= god does not exist?

[zaria]

This dunya is enough to prove that Allah exist. And you are enough to prove that Allah exist. Everything good and bad is enough to prove that Allah exist.This Fitna in this Dunya is enought to prove that Allah exist. Your proof, Read up on your history, on religion. I prefer Isalm for you to read on but read all religions. Educate yourself and you will understand that Allah (swt) exist.
InshaAllah

 

[Pygoscelis]

http://sabbir.com/Media/Quran/As-Sayefh/101 Al Qari'ah.mp3

http://sabbir.com/Media/Quran/As-Sayefh/101 Al Qari'ah.mp3

http://sabbir.com/DownloadHalal.html


Just felt like placing this here

lol!

I did a double take as this started on me, without any forewarning. I thought I had some kind of virus or opened some weird popup or something :giggling:

I had no idea you could make audio start from a messageboard.

As for what the fellow says, its interesting scare tactics about striking hour and hell and all that. But its only going to be effective with those who already believe.

One thing I will say for the Quran, I like how the whole thing is down right musical. That is very cool. I like that you guys sing your holy scripture.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I prefer the word recite over singing. Beautiful recitation indeed

 

[lolwatever]

I doubt your prophecies the same way that you doubt those of the ancient Aztecs or Nostradamus or ancient egyptians or ancient pagan druids (which I'll wager you have not read in detail and don't care to). You claim your prophecies to be true. That is fine. That is expected, you being a believer in that religoin. It says nothing about this creationist claim though.

For all your cryptic and abrassive language you still have the same basic flaw in logic that was in this thread 10 pages ago and that no creationist has been able to make sense of.

^ it's pretty shifty of you to go editing posts after they've been replied to.... next time you might want to make a new post if i've already replied to one instead of editing the same post i replied to :giggling:

but anyway.... i'm use to that:

You can make all sorts of lofty claims about how the Quran has true prophecies etc. I have not read the Quran in full and certainly not in its original language nor do I care to do so. I gave you a link to a thread where others (Trumble, KAdling, etc) who seem to know more about your book than I do can debate these so called prophecies.

^ :lol: that sure makes your claim that there's nothing particularly amazing in the quran very credible innit

and im still waiting for you to atleast giv me the post number! ansar seems to have done a thorough job in rebutting what they have to say....

and it looks liek u didn't even bother to read the prophecies i gave you.. adn those prophecies became true. now it's pretty obvious who's being biased ;D

For all your cryptic and abrassive language you still have the same basic flaw in logic that was in this thread 10 pages ago and that no creationist has been able to make sense of

lol perhaps next time you could be a bit more outgoing and insert the word abraisive fromt he first go instead of adding it after i replied to the post :giggling:

where was i abraisive? i offered you pretty kindly... i'm willing to explain if you find certain bits 'cryptic'... maybe if you think of commenting on every line i write it will help you digest what i'm tryign to say... rather than read my posts with a cynical mind and then pick and choose what you want to casually comment on.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/31364-truth-god-does-not-exist-20.html#post563453

most people find me pretty entertaining... sorry to hear you're an exception

all the best :thankyou:

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

well looks like theres no more complaints,

Conclusion:

Laa ilaaha illallaah !

There is no God but Allaah !

 

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Akhi! U forgot....

Muhammad Ur RasoolAllah!

Muhammad (SAW) is His Messenger!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Akhi! U forgot....

Muhammad Ur RasoolAllah!

Muhammad (SAW) is His Messenger!

i didnt forget, but the argument was "is there a God" not "is muhammad saws the messenger.

but jazakAllah khair ukhtee for addin it.

LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAH WA MUHAMMADUR RASULLULAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zaria]

Alhamdu Lillahi

 

[Les_Nubian]

I have yet to meet an individual that can prove the existence of this unseen entity that is known universally as god. My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world came to be by mere chance and probability. That is why I would to like call out to any one that can prove to me (once and for all) the existence of this so called god ( or maybe gods ……ha-ha).

P.S please try to use references to prove your points that are based on solid scientific facts

You can't prove the existence of God. Well at least I can't. I've seen one in particular Muslim who has this whole video of proving the existence of God, and many others as well who have done the same in certain lectures.

But I don't believe that we can prove the existence of God. I don't believe that we can reach God. I believe that God is way beyond our "science", and therefore we cannot somehow prove the physical entity of God. I think trying to do that would be stupid. If you believe in an all powerful, invisible entity who is the creator, principle behind existence, the source, whatever you want to call it, I think you'd agree.

The very fact that we do not completely understand God, IS our understanding of God.

 

[lolwatever]

^ sis let's not go in circles inshalah.... checkout the previous posts inshalah

Thing is.. if you contemplate the nature of this universe and just look at our features and how our features are designed so perfectly to adapt our environment... and then if you look around you and try put the principle of coincidence into action (e.g. would it make sense that some hurricane could come, thrash around and create some wonderful car)... the answer (Except for someone with issues i guess) would probably be no. You realise that there is an intelligent design behind everything. It takes more than jsut chaos and zero intelligence to design things.

On top of that... when you have someone telling you things that are beyond the capability of mankind.. such as the sun moving to a point (now we know the sun is moving towards constellation hercules) amongst other stuff... as well as prophecies, it just becomes more apparent that the claim that he is the creator is more appealing and very believable. Who would know these things besides the creator himself?

It's no coincidence that the prophets life was heavily documented as well as heavily scruitinized and authenticated by the scholars, and it's no coincidence that he's an illiterate person, just to put any doubts far out of the equation.

Really.. it's simple probability analysis.

The problem is when people who aren't interested in reading the quran come along and profess there's nothing amazing in the quran... lol. Besides arrogance, it shows the openmindedness mashalah...

Take care all the best sis
salams

 

[Trumble]

Thing is.. if you contemplate the nature of this universe and just look at our features and how our features are designed so perfectly to adapt our environment.

The trouble with that reasoning is that if the universe wasn't perfectly 'designed' to suit our needs, we could not exist within it at all, and therefore would not be asking these questions. As we are here and asking these questions the probability of such a universe existing is not remote, but 1:1.

The problem is when people who aren't interested in reading the quran come along and profess there's nothing amazing in the quran... lol. Besides arrogance, it shows the openmindedness mashalah...

I was interested enough to read it twice, albeit in translation. There is much that is remarkable in it, particularly regarding the establishment of a political and social system ideally suited to the age in which it was written, but the so called scientific 'proofs', in my very humble opinion, are nothing of the sort to those with an 'open mind'. There are too many alternative, and frequently more plausible, explanations.

 

[lolwatever]

The trouble with that reasoning is that if the universe wasn't perfectly 'designed' to suit our needs, we could not exist within it at all, and therefore would not be asking these questions. As we are here and asking these questions the probability of such a universe existing is not remote, but 1:1.

That's because you're understanding of god might have problems... Allah tells us he is the perfect, best of creators, best designer.... so it comes as no surprise to us that he created us with perfect compatability with our environment... as a test to whether we will be from those who are thankful or from the arrogant.

I was interested enough to read it twice, albeit in translation. There is much that is remarkable in it, particularly regarding the establishment of a political and social system ideally suited to the age in which it was written, but the so called scientific 'proofs', in my very humble opinion, are nothing of the sort to those with an 'open mind'. There are too many alternative, and frequently more plausible, explanations.

like? make sure u read what ansar said to you before you repeat yourself here inshalah.

 

[lolwatever]

oh btw trumble... u didnt really erply to everythign i said... i knwo sometimes its unecessary.. but even plugging a word under each paragraph is useful coz it allows the reader 2 c the other point of view in full context

 

[Trumble]

That's because you're understanding of god might have problems...

I have no problem with my understanding of God, at least in the terms you perceive Him. I think He is a figment of the imagination. I can see why you think that would be a problem, though. Look at it this way, if I'm wrong I'll find out, if you are you won't!

like? make sure u read what ansar said to you before you repeat yourself here inshalah

That would be repeating myself! I've given examples in both this and other threads regarding several of these 'miracles'. I even gave one spur-of-the moment alternative regarding the 'waves' that is totally different and actually would support the 'miracle' interpretation rather better!

I always read what Ansar says very carefully. In this instance I found him totally unconvincing... as he would be, on this subject, to anyone who didn't 'believe' beforehand.

 

[Malaikah]

Hey its not like the whole issue of scientific 'miracles' in the quran is that significant anyway.. why you guys spending so much time on it lol

 

[lolwatever]

I have no problem with my understanding of God, at least in the terms you perceive Him. I think He is a figment of the imagination. I can see why you think that would be a problem, though. Look at it this way, if I'm wrong I'll find out, if you are you won't!

Too bad there's no going back when you find out you're wrong innit :X

Perhaps if you replied to the post in its entirity you might be able to excercsie your intellect a little harder as to whether he's merely a figment of imagination or not.

That would be repeating myself! I've given examples in both this and other threads regarding several of these 'miracles'. I even gave one spur-of-the moment alternative regarding the 'waves' that is totally different and actually would support the 'miracle' interpretation rather better!

lol when somoene wants to behave stubbornly, it's real easy to interpret anything that's said in any wild crazy manner... even if i told you it's illegal to steal and you really wanted to steal you could say 'yeh but it depends on your definition of theft and i'm not really stealing i'm just borrowing something from someoen without their permission...'

point is, when you look at the quran as the words of teh creator, there's no doubt what the point of verses mean, especialy when they're taken into context... it's obvious from that thread you couldnt even be bothered reading the verse that followed, which specifically indicated it was talking about the advanced creation of Allah.

but anyway... feel free to read the following verse and get bak to us in that thread...

I always read what Ansar says very carefully. In this instance I found him totally unconvincing... as he would be, on this subject, to anyone who didn't 'believe' beforehand.

Well then reply to him!
The sun example... tell me that's some spirit dynamics metaphor that has nothing to do with the sun moving towards constellation hercules :?

lol i thougth budhists believe din god so i thought u where just trying to be objective about ur first reply to me... since u dont believe in god... then i kindly ask you reply to that first post in its entirity... incluidn the bit about the coincidence... that seemst o have been ignored.

take care all the best

 

[Pygoscelis]

^ it's pretty shifty of you to go editing posts after they've been replied to

Sorry. I edited it within minutes of posting it though. DIdn't expect you to be sitting there reading it at the exact time of posting.

^ :lol: that sure makes your claim that there's nothing particularly amazing in the quran very credible innit

I feel no need to read the whole of the Quran just to confirm that there isn't anything in it that would blow my mind. I also don't read the complete works of nostradamus or the dead sea scrolls or the book of mormon or dianetics (scientology - pop psych turned religious) or all of the spiderman comics.

where was i abraisive?

Pretty much all throughout, and cryptic too. When posting back and forth with you I get the feeling that I'm speaking with somebody who doesn't speak english well and who is looking down on me from some lofty self-important place. Maybe that tone isn't intended by you. The internet is notorious for that. But frankly, you are hard and unpleasant to read, and I don't think we are getting anywhere together, so I'll turn my attention to the other posters here and maybe Trumble here will post with you.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Well here we are on page 22. I came in at page 10.

I came in with pointing out the basic flaw in the logic of "The universe is so wonderful it needs a creator. Oh, but God, who is much more wonderful doesn't."

Now over 10 pages later, after a lot of dancing around, we're still facing that same basic flaw in that logic. Nobody has addressed it head on. I don't think there is an answer to it.

So people shift attention to something else, like paintbuckets splashing and peculiar claims of God existing outside of time and claims of prophecy that only believers accept.

 

[Trumble]

lol when somoene wants to behave stubbornly, it's real easy to interpret anything that's said in any wild crazy manner...

By which you mean "alternative and inconvenient" manner?

even if i told you it's illegal to steal and you really wanted to steal you could say 'yeh but it depends on your definition of theft and i'm not really stealing i'm just borrowing something from someoen without their permission...'

My brainwave interpretation didn't alter the definition of anything.

point is, when you look at the quran as the words of teh creator, there's no doubt what the point of verses mean, especialy when they're taken into context...

That's exactly the point! When you look at the Qur'an that way. When you don't, or even remain open minded on the issue, alternatives easily present themselves.

Well then reply to him!

I rather thought I had, at least as long as it served any real purpose. I clearly wasn't going to change his mind any more than he was mine. As a courtesy I should, perhaps, have acknowledged that Ansar's knowledge of the Prophet's life is certainly greater than mine, but that doesn't materially affect the argument.

lol i thougth budhists believe din god so i thought u where just trying to be objective about ur first reply to me... since u dont believe in god... then i kindly ask you reply to that first post in its entirity... incluidn the bit about the coincidence... that seemst o have been ignored.

In what way ignored? As I said, unless things had happened just the way they did we would not be here having this discussion. The chances of them happening that way, therefore, are 1:1; there is no 'coincidence'. The way things are is the way things are, no more likely or unlikely than any other possibility.

 

[vpb]

the idea which atheism is based on is the Darwin's Evolution "Theory", which I even hesitate to call it a theory. haha

For all atheists I would recommend watch these videos
(The Collapse Darwinism and The Collapse of Atheism)and especially the first one.

http://67.15.194.37/download/18/17/7af425aeffd470a60e0cd692511ba880/collapse_of_darwinism_full.mpg

http://67.15.194.37/download/18/17/9ba5b82c450919b76cfdc8b0a97bf923/the_collapse_of_atheism_full.mpg

You should see on the first video (Collapse of Evolution) where proffesor richard dawkins at oxford university hesitates when he is asked to give even a single example that increases genetic information and the

the question was the proffesor to give a single example of genetic notation or an evolution process and the proffesor was just lost hahaaha he couldn't give any example haha and he is the one of the most well known proffesor in the world that knows and support dawinism haha.

you should watch these videos.

P.S these video shows many proofs that theory of darwinism is wrong but still atheists (darwinism supporters) don't agree bc if they do than it means that GOD exists, which they know that GOD exists but they don't like it to say haha