Trying to understand

[جوري]

Well that’s cute and an obvious attempt to sidestep any real attempt at introspection but enjoy your denial. It certainly won’t prevent the continued slaughter of Moslems by other Moslems.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/06/iraq.main/index.html

"obvious attempt to sidestep any real attempt"
Speaking of coherence-- yours is very questionable as evident from the above ;D but thank you-- you are so wise and so full of feelings... thanks for brining us all from the cesspool where we dwell into the age of enlightenment...

 

[جوري]

Frankly if you had a point or wanted a sincere discussion in a sprachgefuhl and graceful, style we might consider replying back to you.. but even notes of sarcasm you are unworthy of on the account that you do nothing but come here with carpet bombing style of attacks. You don't even read what you "paste" as it seems you can't tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim?--

You have a psychological announcement to make for everyone whose opinion differs from yours-- I have a couple of opinions about you too.. But given that I like to adhere to better manners, I'll let it go!...
Eh, maybe this is your way of saving face because you are a small and petty man?!
I don't have all day to get at it tit for tat with you.. if you hate Muslims so much and think them all barbarians, why not go onto a forum that fosters your mentality and style of writing? I hear JihdWatch has an opening!

Thank you for the well wishes--

peace!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

And your nothing but a hater.

 

[Amadeus85]

Then also there are many groups, like hamas, that are legtimate resistance groups who are fighting within their own land for the freedom of their people. But the western powers have labeled them terrorists organizations and basically any group that stands against them and their doings in those muslim lands.

And here you have an answer why so many people connect islam with terrorism-
first you say that you reject terrorism and just after this you say that Hamas is legitimate resistance group ! You condemn terrorism, but Hamas, but Hesbullah..
There is always "but"..
I wonder how many of those imams who condemn terrorism also label Hamas as legitimate resistance group..
And one thing more- is terrorism really good way to win the freedom? Can we call freedom fighters those who target civilians?..I am afraid to know your answer..

 

[August]

And one thing more- is terrorism really good way to win the freedom? Can we call freedom fighters those who target civilians?..I am afraid to know your answer..

Good question. I can understand opposing the Isralies, or thinking that they are occupiers. But does any of that justify killing civilians? Could anyone tell me what the Qur'an says about killing innocent people to further a just cause? What is the Musilm view about civilians in war?

 

[جوري]

And here you have an answer why so many people connect islam with terrorism-
first you say that you reject terrorism and just after this you say that Hamas is legitimate resistance group ! You condemn terrorism, but Hamas, but Hesbullah..
There is always "but"..
I wonder how many of those imams who condemn terrorism also label Hamas as legitimate resistance group..
And one thing more- is terrorism really good way to win the freedom? Can we call freedom fighters those who target civilians?..I am afraid to know your answer..

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...
that is really the bottom line of it... Everyone feels justified in what they do irrespective of religion.
Unless you are actually there observing or have a respectful media source for your information, can we have this topic... I am sick of people relying to me their feelings and subjective views in lieu of hard facts.

A gentle reminder that this is comparative and not world's affair.. you want to get all hot and heavy take it else where

peace!

 

[Amadeus85]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...
that is really the bottom line of it... Everyone feels justified in what they do irrespective of religion.
Unless you are actually there observing or have a respectful media source for your information, can we have this topic... I am sick of people relying to me their feelings and subjective views in lieu of hard facts.

A gentle reminder that this is comparative and not world's affair.. you want to get all hot and heavy take it else where

peace!

PEACE

 

[جوري]

PEACE

Same to you

 

[Woodrow]

I certainly wouldn’t agree with your “80% of muslims” claim as it’s abundantly clear that the global jihad we see is being funded, enabled and supported by moslems.

I have to be concerned when people make the claim that the acts of madness carried out in the name of islam have nothing to do with islam. Let’s examine this for a moment, shall we?

Listed below are the proscribed terrorist organizations as identified by the UK’s Home Office. The US has a similar list but let’s start here:

Quite a long list you posted. I suppose you did not notice that less than 15% of the Worlds Muslims live in the area of the world where those Groups are located.

Yep, nearly 90% of the world's Muslims do not live in the Mideast. Even in the Mideast Not everybody belongs to a Terrorist organization or has terrorist aspirations.

We are very much aware there is a problem with some people using the name Muslim and that many of them are in Mid Eastern Countries. However, there are also legitimate freedom fighters and legitimate political parties in that area that we in the Western world automatically assume to be terrorist organizations simply because the People are Arab and Muslim.

Here in the US we have a number of "White Supremest" groups that have been known to carry out terroristic activities Here are a few.

Actually there are over 4,300 of them that have been followed since the 1990s.

43,941 adherent statistic citations: membership and geography data for 4,300+ religions, churches, tribes, etc."]43,941 adherent statistic citations: membership and geography data for 4,300+ religions, churches, tribes, etc.

I won't cut and paste the names, here is a link to get you started.

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_665.html

Does that mean most American's are White Terrorists?

 

[جوري]

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_665.html

Does that mean most American's are White Terrorists?

We know of at least one terrorizing our forum ;D

 

[Woodrow]

The largest group of Muslims live in Indonesia. How many Indonesian groups do you fear. There are now more Muslims here in the US than in Afghanistan. I have yet to see where any American Muslims have caused any reason for fear. Pakistan is the Country with the third largest number of Muslims. How many Pakistani Terrorists are you aware off. Then the country with the third highest number of Muslims is India. Have you seen any terroristic Muslims in India terrorising the world?

 

[aamirsaab]

It's funny you know, I hear all these complaints and negative comments about muslims only on the internet. Never in my whole two years at college and 1 year at Uni have I heard those kinds of comments (some occured in secondary school but comments from chavs don't count for anything).

Perhaps you are wondering what the point is of the above statement. Here it is in PLAIN ENGLISH: Do you know of any muslims in REAL LIFE (i.e on a name to name basis) that fits the negative description? That's what I am trying to understand.



P.s; by all means, drop in leicester at any time. Enjoy the sun (when it comes out, it is really something), the sea (ok I will admit it is only a washbrook) the sights (shires shopping centre anyone?) and most importantly the mutual respect given to all members of faiths. Oh my, I almost forgot: you should also visit maryland chicken!

 

[Woodrow]

It's funny you know, I hear all these compaints and negative comments about muslims only on the internet. Never in my whole two years at college and 1 year at Uni have I heard those kinds of comments (some occured in secondary school but comments from chavs don't count for anything).

Perhaps you are wondering what the point is of the above statement. Here it is in PLAIN ENGLISH: Do you know of any muslims in REAL LIFE (i.e on a name to name basis) that fits the negative description? That's what I am trying to understand


I would translate that in polish, but my local polish to english website is under going some serious maintenance.

P.s; by all means, drop in leicester at any time. Enjoy the sun (when it comes out, it is really something), the sea (ok I will admit it is only a washbrook)the sights (shires shopping centre anyone?) and most importantly the mutual respect given to all members of faiths.

Thanks Brother.

Good point How many terrorists do any of these people personaly know. I Would also like to ask the poster to stop in and visit Austin. We make up a sizable population here and have excellent relationships with our non-Muslim neighbors.

 

[snakelegs]

Thanks Brother.

Good point How many terrorists do any of these people personaly know. I Would also like to ask the poster to stop in and visit Austin. We make up a sizable population here and have excellent relationships with our non-Muslim neighbors.

ultimately, this is the only thing that will change the stereotype - the interaction between muslims and non-muslims. many non-muslims have never really known a muslim.
(this isn't to deny that there are real problems out there - there are, but most muslims are just as boring as everybody else.)

 

[Woodrow]

I don’t fear any. However, that’s because I’m not a Buddhist living there. Do you know what is taking place in the south of that nation?

Do you know who the "White Tigers" (Tamil) are? they are not "peaceful" Buddhists, they are terrorists terrorizing Muslims.

http://www.sinhaya.com/massacre.html

Have you missed the news of the “blind Sheik” who had this little disagreement with New Yorkers and the WTC?

He was a terrorist and was trying to get a foot hold in the US. But, of course you know that he was not an American Citizen.

In second place to Iran, Pakistan is a leading promoter of Islamic terrorism. What is it that you think is taught in the local Madrassa?

Are you a student there? I believe several members of this forum are, perhaps they will see this and reply.

I don’t know, I hear of train bombings and bombings in their cities quite often. Shall I post a few search results?

Please do also be certain to check the date and see who was responsible. I am not denying there are terrorist groups. But, they are from only a very small area and the overwhelming majority of the World's Muslims do not support them. Earlier I said 80% but I suspect it will be more than that who oppose Terrorism.

BTW I am a Native born American with skin as white as snow and I have what can be described best as a Connecticut Yankee Accent, although I been a Texas Cowboy for a long time.

Ever before reverting to Islam I have never had any fear of any Muslims. I can honestly say that no matter what country I was in, I would always be treated fairly and honestly in the Islamic communities.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Athiesm doesnt have a clean slate either. Not BIG but not clean either. Anyone recall the Soviet Union:? :rollseyes

 

[Woodrow]

Athiesm doesnt have a clean slate either. Not BIG but not clean either. Anyone recall the Soviet Union:? :rollseyes

True, all of us have people within our ranks that wear the name but do not represent the majority.

Stereotyping is always bad. we must always remember that we are individuals and each of us is responsible for our own actions.

 

[Trumble]

Do you know who the "White Tigers" (Tamil) are? they are not "peaceful" Buddhists, they are terrorists terrorizing Muslims.

They are indeed not peaceful Buddhists, because they are are not Buddhists at all. They are Hindus. It is the Sinhalese population that is predominantly Buddhist.

Please research more carefully.


That said, on a lighter note (not that one is really appropriate), even Buddhist monks are not immune from violence!

A "peace protest" in Sri Lanka turns violent when Buddhist monks begin fighting with demonstrators.

About 1,000 people were listening to speakers in a park when hardline monks took the stage and put up banners. They believe the government is too easy on the Tamil Tiger rebels.

Moderate Buddhist monks were already on stage when fists began flying. Witnesses say no one was seriously injured.

Pro-peace monk Madampawe Assagee, says, "They were saying we should go to war... We like to listen to other opinions so we let them do that but then they started fighting and we couldn't control some of our people. They tried to make it a big fight but we settled it in a few minutes."

wayodd

 

[جوري]

Athiesm doesnt have a clean slate either. Not BIG but not clean either. Anyone recall the Soviet Union:? :rollseyes

Here sister a way for you to recognize a toxic person... Thus with any luck try avoiding them....
They kneel to a Porcelain god then imbue whatever info. it dishes out to them, by way of osmosis-- sometimes direct suction-- then when they are all filled up-- they hurl it out on various forums...

peace!

 

[Woodrow]

They are indeed not peaceful Buddhists, because they are are not Buddhists at all. They are Hindus. It is the Sinhalese population that is predominantly Buddhist.

Please research more carefully.


That said, on a lighter note (not that one is really appropriate), even Buddhist monks are not immune from violence!



wayodd

I apologise Trumble. I didn't look far enough. I was just looking fast enough to show that they were not Muslim. But, no matter what they are, they do not represent anybody except themselves.

we all have our share of wackos