Turk barber faces execution for swearing

[Umar001]

if he said what it says he has apostasized which is an act punishable by death! why are people complaining? if the court didnt pay any attention to this then we'd have people complaining that saudi arabia allows people to curse Islam. is there no satisfaction?

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahamatullah,

Jazakumullahu khayr,

Thanks sis for the article, I think people complained because the way it seemed in the other articles was taht two people argued, one accused the other and then ran away and this guy was framed with no help. That's why, not because they just want to escuse the individual.

I for one thought that there must be something else going on, and I am glad that it is not just a case of evident misjustice.

Allah knows best.

 

[Keltoi]

God knows best, but it isn't God putting the man on trial with a punishment of execution if found guilty. Just something to consider...

 

[yigiter187]

ı have just seen the wife of accused turk barber..she says "my husband didnt swear islam..he is already muslim..he doesnt admit swearing islam..""""

 

[Malaikah]

ı have just seen the wife of accused turk barber..she says "my husband didnt swear islam..he is already muslim..he doesnt admit swearing islam..""""

His wifes words aren't exactly the best evidence... seeing as how she was living in a different country at the time of the accused event.mg:

God knows best, but it isn't God putting the man on trial with a punishment of execution if found guilty. Just something to consider...

No, but God is the one who ordained the punishment in the first place.

 

[Al-Zaara]

“The majority of Muslim jurists demand that the accused must be given a chance to repent. Sometimes, those accused are not raised in a proper Islamic environment and are unaware of the consequences and meanings of certain words. Cases such as these are very sensitive, and so the trial must adhere to strict procedures and double check the two witnesses’ eligibility to testify,” said Al-Lahem.

Bold part: Good!!

A source told Arab News? I dunno, I trust none of these too much. But what hit me was the man must have been in prison for many months now, isn't that a sign that the evidences aren't really waterproof? According to another news the Egyptian tailor has fled and shut down his shop. That is suspicious too.

Also, I find it ridicilous to go to the police because of what was done and now give this man so much trouble (and himself probably) where it could have been solved easier I believe, it just kinda shows the two of them didn't get on well.

Oh and another thing makes me worried, is that the relations between Saudi and Turkey will most probably get even worse if they go ahead with executing this man. As said before, there are worse cases indeed.

 

[Tania]

Always when i read about saudi i am glad i don't live there. I can't understand at all their so called "justice" - black magic which can't be proved, swearing with runnaway witnesses, under 18 hired like nannies.
I can't understand whats the big fault of this poor man

 

[Umar001]

Bold part: Good!!

A source told Arab News? I dunno, I trust none of these too much. But what hit me was the man must have been in prison for many months now, isn't that a sign that the evidences aren't really waterproof? According to another news the Egyptian tailor has fled and shut down his shop. That is suspicious too.

It could also be testimony that trials take a long time, if I am not mistaken there was an article about Saudi not having enough judges or something. Also it could be evidence that the case is so clear that they've detained him this long even though they've had to wait for a trail date.

I mean, all we can do from here is speculate, I can't imagine any human being would convict a man on bad evidence, that is the only thing that keeps me from thinking that what we read of egyptian man running away and so forth not being true.

At the same time I cant believe that the turkish man would confess in the court. That's truly unbeliveable to me.



And Allah knows best.

Always when i read about saudi i am glad i don't live there. I can't understand at all their so called "justice" - black magic which can't be proved, swearing with runnaway witnesses, under 18 hired like nannies.
I can't understand whats the big fault of this poor man

There maybe certain styles of desecration of the Qur'an which is done by those practicing such magic, various other evidences, how can you say it cannot be proved? I think it could. Wether it was I dont know, all the information we have is from my view suspicious, everyone could have a reason for lieing.

As for the man, what if he did commit and act which deemed his death and there was enough evidence to convict him?

We simply don't know, I'm not taking either side, Im just saying we do not know at all to feel sorry or not feel sorry.

 

[Tania]

As for the man, what if he did commit and act which deemed his death and there was enough evidence to convict him?

We simply don't know, I'm not taking either side, Im just saying we do not know at all to feel sorry or not feel sorry.

If he said something not very proper about islam, it was may be at a time of anger and that was. But to kill him for that, that i will never understand.

 

[Umar001]

If he said something not very proper about islam, it was may be at a time of anger and that was. But to kill him for that, that i will never understand.

I understand, and I do see the poiint, but for example in one news report it states:

However, it is unclear whether Bogday continued to insist on the words that he had uttered.​

So he may not have had a chance to repent, but that maybe for various reasons? Maybe because he, in a calm and aware state, still stood by such stuff.

This is what I mean, it is so confusing for us all to be trying to understand on the words of different articles when we dont know what the actual accuracy of those articles are.

 

[Tania]

So he may not have had a chance to repent, but that maybe for various reasons? Maybe because he, in a calm and aware state, still stood by such stuff.

In this case he should be advised, you know like a teacher explain to the student why is this...Killing him doesn't solve the problem.

 

[Umar001]

In this case he should be advised, you know like a teacher explain to the student why is this...Killing him doesn't solve the problem.

Well, I see what you mean, but as Muslims we can only advice people so much, an individual who knows what he is saying and doing is responsible.

I am sure you understand that Muslims, as well as some other faiths, believe that God sent laws which should be implimented.

 

[Al-Zaara]

I mean, all we can do from here is speculate, I can't imagine any human being would convict a man on bad evidence, that is the only thing that keeps me from thinking that what we read of egyptian man running away and so forth not being true.

I'm not implying anything, but there have been such cases in many parts of the world. So I don't trust the human nature so to speak. There are those freaks out there.

And Allah knows best.

Allah knows best.

If he said something not very proper about islam, it was may be at a time of anger and that was. But to kill him for that, that i will never understand.

To be honest, I too have trouble at times to understand this, if I even understand it.

Allah knows best..

 

[Pygoscelis]

Religion is a stupid reason to kill people. It happens too much.

 

[yigiter187]

His wifes words aren't exactly the best evidence... seeing as how she was living in a different country at the time of the accused event.mg:


No, but God is the one who ordained the punishment in the first place.

yes his wife is not a good evidence but an unknown egyptian is a good evidence...:?...allah says " dont swear to anyones religion,otherwise he swears your religon,islam" ...then ı conclude from this..."when you swear to someones religion,he swears your religion...then kill him...""""":?

 

[Malaikah]

the Egyptian was not unknown... and other news sources mention that there was also a Saudi witness.

 

[yigiter187]

the Egyptian was not unknown... and other news sources mention that there was also a Saudi witness.

there are milloins of witnesses that danish,dutch swear islam..then what are we waiting for..why dont muslims kill them?:?

 

[Malaikah]

They don't live under Islamic rule, that's why. We have no authority or right to harm them at all.

 

[yigiter187]

They don't live under Islamic rule, that's why. We have no authority or right to harm them at all.

lets dont say it like that..does islamic rules change according to time? if islam commands to kill ppl swearing islam,it doesnt matter where the swearing person is..

 

[Malaikah]

Sister you have to follow the law of the country you live in! Only the government has the right to punish people and the government in Denmark is not Islamic, therefore no one can touch anyone who does an Islamic crime in Denmark if that crime is legal there.

You have to understand that Islamic law can only be applied in Muslim countries or by the Muslims who have official authority.

Anyway, i don't know if this punishment applies to non-Muslim in the first place.

 

[yigiter187]

then ı can say..islam doesnt want to kill person who swears islam but saudi arabia does...?