Turkey Joining the Eu, Yay or Nay?

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Whatsthepoint said:
If nothing else, Bulgaria is a Christian nation, Orthodox but Christian nevertheless.
Western Turkey is fine, quite secular and modern, the problem is the vast east.
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Sevgi, is the(growing) middle class in Istanbul religious or secular?
 
sevgi said:
You dnt agree with me! I want them to join...!

I love being Asian too :P Some call us middle eastern...I got mediterranean once...I felt so...Greek! :P
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I said I agree mostly only the join part I didnt agree :D


Because they wont suit europe well maybe west west Turkey but Turkey has its own....thing you know I dont want them to lose their "Asian" culture that is already fading away.
 
Pomak said:
According to spell check thats not a word. Care to elaborate?
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I know it's not a word, ok, the difference between religious and religionist is that the latter tries to impose his or her beliefs on others. Religious people can exist happily in a liberal secular democracy, religionists can't.
 
aamirsaab said:
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Given the current economical climate, more countries in the EU certainly would help via increased trading and employment. Both lead to more cash injections into the system and thus lead to consumer confidence, which means banks are back in business and the circle of life...I mean money is in full motion.

Of course, this is assuming that Turkey doesn't end up being dead weight i.e provides no increase in trading or employment. Then we'd be still in a crappy economy just with more people. Which would probably be worse.

Still, fingers (and toes!) crossed.
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I agree and I believe they will become dead weight...but I also believe that the EU will find a way to utilise the dead weight...i doubt they will be bothered though.

Pomak said:
Sevgi, is the(growing) middle class in Istanbul religious or secular?
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I'm no expert, but they are religious and religionists. Just look at the number of years the religionist AK party has been in government...who is voting? religious people and religionists.

Whatsthepoint said:
See, I don't mind religious, I mind religionists.
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See above ^
 
Güven said:
I said I agree mostly only the join part I didnt agree :D


Because they wont suit europe well maybe west west Turkey but Turkey has its own....thing you know I dont want them to lose their "Asian" culture that is already fading away.
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You cant lose culture by joining the EU. You lose culture by losing your deen, your ahlak, your grounds. we are losing anyway. I dnt blame the EU..but thats a whole diff topic.

Pomak said:
According to spell check thats not a word. Care to elaborate?
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Whatsthepoint said:
I know it's not a word, ok, the difference between religious and religionist is that the latter tries to impose his or her beliefs on others. Religious people can exist happily in a liberal secular democracy, religionists can't.
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Stop playing semantics.
 
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I am a Turk.I think we should take all the good things beneficial to human kind-to Muslims also.Some people say EU is a Christian community so they will never let you in.I think if Turkey joins the EU the islamization of Europe will be quicker.
 
yasin ibn Ahmad said:
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I am a Turk.I think we should take all the good things beneficial to human kind-to Muslims also.Some people say EU is a Christian community so they will never let you in.I think if Turkey joins the EU the islamization of Europe will be quicker.
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OOO, please define "islamization". And is it really about islamization or Turkization of Europe? (looking at what happened with the Poles when they joined as well as the *ahem* Roma people)
 
yasin ibn Ahmad said:
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I am a Turk.I think we should take all the good things beneficial to human kind-to Muslims also.Some people say EU is a Christian community so they will never let you in.I think if Turkey joins the EU the islamization of Europe will be quicker.
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This reply made me laugh.

I agree with your first sentence.

Your next sentence is just funny. If Turkey were going to be of great benefit to the EU, they wouldn't deny them entry on the basis of religious majority...as for them being a 'christian' organisation...how bout no.

Your last sentence is :S What in the world are you on bro? I think Turkey should 'islamise' themselves before they get cracking on the whole of EUROPE. Turkey is a secular state...I'm just...lost with your statement.
 
sevgi said:
I think Turkey should 'islamise' themselves before they get cracking on the whole of EUROPE. Turkey is a secular state...I'm just...lost with your statement.
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What do you mean by "'islamise' themselves"?
Are you talking religious observance with the people individually? Or Political thing? Or both?
 
Pomak said:
What do you mean by "'islamise' themselves"?
Are you talking religious observance with the people individually? Or Political thing? Or both?
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See how I put 'islamise' in inverted commas? I did that because I was using the brothers' own terms against him. I don't know what he means by it and I certainly don't think it is a good word to use.

What I took from it is a political 'islamisation'. Turkey is not an Islamic state so...why would they want to 'islamise' Europe?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Sorry.
Plenty of reasons actually, first and foremost being that they don't culturally belong to Europe.
Second is the internal issues of Turkey, Kurds, Armenian genocide, secularists vs religionists, border with Iraq..
Third, the Turkish biorth rates are significantly higher than European ones, if let in, Turkey could become the most powerful country in the European parliament.
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thats why turkey shouldnt join europe, we Muslim nations should stay with the Muslim nations and become powerful and overtake Europe, no need to become part of Europe and the European syste.
 
The_Prince said:
thats why turkey shouldnt join europe, we Muslim nations should stay with the Muslim nations and become powerful and overtake Europe, no need to become part of Europe and the European syste.
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Ok...hold up...

Why is everyone going on about 'overtaking' Europe? Whaa?
 
sevgi said:
Ok...hold up...

Why is everyone going on about 'overtaking' Europe? Whaa?
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well thats what theyre saying, as whatsup said, if they join etc etc they will take over with population etc etc, so you know if the Turks are going to overtake Europe, why join it, just wait to overtake it. :)
 
The_Prince said:
thats why turkey shouldnt join europe, we Muslim nations should stay with the Muslim nations and become powerful and overtake Europe, no need to become part of Europe and the European syste.
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The_Prince said:
well thats what theyre saying, as whatsup said, if they join etc etc they will take over with population etc etc, so you know if the Turks are going to overtake Europe, why join it, just wait to overtake it. :)
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Ok, now you've just killed what you originally said. First muslims were coming together and taking over Europe. Now, just because Turkey has high birth rates, you say that Turkey is going to take over Europe.

We established that population does not = power.

Turkey has no such agendas. I can't believe we are even talking about this. Urgh.


Pomak said:
*Just remembered there are non muslims on LI*

:X
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Are you implying that the mass muslim populous has a hidden missionary agenda to rise up, join forces and take over Europe? It doesn't matter if there are non muslims on LI. We have nothing to hide from them. I hope that the nonmuslims on here have enough reader discretion to not take this silly 'overtaking' business seriously.
 

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