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Eurasian sounds like you're Asian, that was the core of my post.:-[
Turkey Joining the Eu, Yay or Nay?
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I'll level with you, the term actually has clear political implications. The word dawa describes more accurately what you said above. Muslim(i mean Turk/North African and West Africans) migrant communities in many European cities are not looked at totally with...ahem love.
Further, secularists in Turkey can't teach Europeans, French in particular anything about Islam, nor those that have a stagnant view of what Islam is.
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I am not talking about governments politics here.The gov is secular in Turkey.Do you really think everyone in this country are in favour of secularism?They are in minority.I am talking about some groups in Turkey.Whose only aim in this life is dawa.And if EU lets Turkey in these people will have no burden to move and live in EU countries and cities for only dawa.
The immigrants from Turkey and other Muslim countries are totally different from what I am talking about.While immigrating thier aim is to have jobs or more comfortable life.
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Well, Im only a finn, but Id imagine there are several things that I have in common with the turkish man (or indeed with anyone). Like you know, love for family and friends, enjoying good food, finding that special someone and so forth.
Sorry, i don't buy it, i can dig out for you the article where one of more influential scholars for AKP actually says that he supports secularism(with a few alteration....hijab ban for example) because it's the only way to guarantee freedom of religion, as in those that want to worship can and those that don't can watch dodgy Turkish dramas.
Perhaps if you were to define "secularism", we could continue. Since i am European, secularism to me means stopping a state being run by imams and shaykhs like Iran is. Because in sunni muslim countries when someone asks for secularism i have to ask, how can you separate church and state when we don't have a church?(aka central religious authority) And those opposing secularism have to be asked, do you want someone who has only religious education doing your tax returns?
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What if you got one bit of what I have said.
You are still talking about AKP.Who cares AKP.This is Islam, this is dawa I am talking about.We dont getting each other well I must say, sorry.
I am talking about well known scholars....
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mainly relevance.
So far the biggest supporters of joining Turkey to UE are USA. I just worry that in few years it will be the European Parliament to make the decision about accepting Turkey or not. That decision should be made in referendum by the european citizens.
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I think that the country that's the most vehement against Turkey joining the EU is France. The French president asks Turkey to recognize the Armenian genocide. It's crystal clear that it's just a way to keep Turkey away knowing how sensitive this issue is to the Turkish pple.
Yes, meanwhile France used to be firm Turkey's friend in the history. But I think that great majority of europeans are against it, maybe except Brittons, who seem to be seperated from mainstream european issues.
I might of missed something, but which other Eu country got through that way?(part in bold)
Actually Im not 100% sure how the EU agreed on letting in countries like Lithuania, Slovakia, Poland or Estonia. Whether it was by EU Parliament voting or/and people's referendum. But anyway, such thing like joining Turkey to EU is such controversial and problematic, that it wouldnt be fair if the european people couldnt decide about it in referendum.
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Commission recommended and parlament voted for it.
But like everything big in EU, it was in theory voted in Ireland via referendum when they voted for the Treaty of Nice (couple of times until they got the right result). Had that failed, it would have atleast delayed the entry of new member states.
There were plenty of objections and controversial problems with adding 10 new member states at one go, but somehow we managed, I dont see why we wouldnt with Turkey.
Who means "We" ? Do europeans want it? Do Turks want the enter to UE?
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The popularity of EU unfortunately has been falling in Turkey, but I dont really see that as a reason to close the door.
As for Europeans, they certainly keep voting on people that continue the slow process with Turkey.
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nay for several reasons:
1 - i want there to be an ISLAMIC UNION, and open borders between muslim countries.
if turkey joins the EU this could be problematic to starting this lol
2 - i dont think the values of the people of turkey are always in the interest of europe and vice versa. for example many european countries are very liberal and want liberal policies to be implemented throughout the EU. this could include economic issues that may involve riba, or it could be social, moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage. if turkey joins the EU, turkey could stop the EU from implementing some of these policies. i dont find this right. also, the EU could implement some of these policies for turkey which i dont find right either. therefore it would be better if they didnt join.
just two reasons why i voted nay.
1 - i want there to be an ISLAMIC UNION, and open borders between muslim countries.
if turkey joins the EU this could be problematic to starting this lol2 - i dont think the values of the people of turkey are always in the interest of europe and vice versa. for example many european countries are very liberal and want liberal policies to be implemented throughout the EU. this could include economic issues that may involve riba, or it could be social, moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage. if turkey joins the EU, turkey could stop the EU from implementing some of these policies. i dont find this right. also, the EU could implement some of these policies for turkey which i dont find right either. therefore it would be better if they didnt join.
just two reasons why i voted nay.
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Countries like Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Russia, Belarus, Albania, Kosova and Bosnia should join Asian Union...:nervous:
I agree, except of Belarus which is definetely a part of Europe and Russia, because they would most probably didnt want to.
Anyway, an asian unity is even more illusion than an european unity, am I right?