UK “terror” plot: Another absurd publicity stunt?

[scentsofjannah]

Thanks for the article brother sonz

 

[scentsofjannah]

Conspiracy Theories are great. They allow you to escape from reality.
Besides it is always a good thing to blame the ones you hate for everything.

and what about your ridiculous conspiracy theories?

Muslims are not going to believe unless evidence is presented and the suspects are taken to court in order to be tried. 1 suspect has now been released WITHOUT CHARGE.

Whats going on in the media is pure speculation replete with such words 'It is thought' it is believed' 'alleged plot' etc etc...please refer to Sister Durrah's post for past 'plots' that were found to be complete hoaxes.

i think its you and others who just after a few mins of hearing this ..make up your minds and start believing in conspiracy theories without any proof or even waiting for the complete investigation.

 

[H4RUN]

There is always a war going on, for years. A person could say this at anytime. Kind of weak accusation.

ofcourse there has always been a war, theres bound to be, but in recent weeks hasn't there been a slight change in tempo? Hezbolla, Israel, Lebanon and what not....

 

[Durrah]

and the ricin 'bomb plot' that collapsed in court!!!!!!

Wow, i had no idea. Thanks for telling me. Im definatly going to look it up and make a note of it.

 

[Isaac]

yes, exactly sister, the ricinn plot, which brought the uk to a standstill. Was it not the same amount of coverage, was it not the same allegations, was it not that they had links to al-qaeda, were they not muslims, were they not going to commit mass murder, were they not 48 hours away from brining disater to the underground, were they not building chemical weapons ontop of a chemist. Did they not have their names publised, did they not have their houses raided, did not this create a negative image fo islam, did this not cause community tension, did this not cause britain to be on a high alert. To all the obve YES YES YES. And the end case - CASE COLLAPSED. What happend to the so called terrorist? EXCELLENT QUESTION! Its strange how the media did not catch up on this............. You now i always belive the media will publish anything that sells, regardless if its true or not, and in a way they dismiss the innocent till proven guilty theory.

One piece of advice, try to tell the other side of the story. Thhe side that will embaress the government, and may make some of the people realise, that this unacceptable. Once ok, understandable - poor intelligence, they made a mistake, but its not the first time!!!!

You know i would half beilive that these people proably did intend to do something, but when in the past like the RICIN PLOT, or much present the FOREST GATE PLOT, they are found innocnet it dont have much trust in the intelligence. I personally hope that this case is also like the other, poor intelligence and mis-communication between pakistan. Come on intelligece from pakistan.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

First of all, authorities rarely release evidence until the operation itself is complete, which it obviously is not.
The rest borders on a conspiracy theory, but as far as the Al-Qaeda connection goes, I believe the martyrdom tape and the Pakistan link have led many experts to make that assumption, but nothing has been said for certain.

The report I have states that spies (narcs) had been assigned to various groups of interest and had been monitoring and reporting on their activities for over a year. Not sure of the connection with Al Qaeda. Those reports are almost impossible to access.

Another lovely day in the neighborhood, huh?

Ninth Scribe

 

[Durrah]

yes, exactly sister, the ricinn plot, which brought the uk to a standstill. Was it not the same amount of coverage, was it not the same allegations, was it not that they had links to al-qaeda, were they not muslims, were they not going to commit mass murder, were they not 48 hours away from brining disater to the underground, were they not building chemical weapons ontop of a chemist. Did they not have their names publised, did they not have their houses raided, did not this create a negative image fo islam, did this not cause community tension, did this not cause britain to be on a high alert. To all the obve YES YES YES. And the end case - CASE COLLAPSED. What happend to the so called terrorist? EXCELLENT QUESTION! Its strange how the media did not catch up on this............. You now i always belive the media will publish anything that sells, regardless if its true or not, and in a way they dismiss the innocent till proven guilty theory.

:thumbs_up so true. But you know why the media dont catch up with these cases once they'll all cleared, because the objective has alrealy been fufuiled and thats imprinting into the minds of everyone, that we're an impending threat , constantly amongst them. I've looked on the large public forums like Channel 4 and the Guardian and its amazing to see the large amounts of people that have refered to the cases that we mentioned as proof, that this apparent threat is real, despite all the cases that we mentioned have fell flat on their faces, and those who were suspected were let go, free!

as for so-called pakistan intelligence, unlike like some brits in this country, those of us who came from those regions: M.E, Asia, Africa (whether we were born or lived there) know the level of toture used to make people into confessing things that they havent commited. I wouldnt be suprised if such methods were used. The tactics used make Guantanomo Bay in Cuba seem like heaven! Which is why the U.S regulary deport suspects to them nations, as they follow no international rules whatsoever (i know the u.s dont neither but atleast they get retruibited if its made public, while elsewhere- good luck!). Also, many of these muslim countries, on their quest on the 'war of terror', many innocent people have been locked up without charge in secret prisons. Egypt is a classic example! You have a beard, wear thobe and pray 5 times a day and so much as breathe a whisper about islam in public, expect to be incarcerated.

 

[Durrah]

The report I have states that spies (narcs) had been assigned to various groups of interest and had been monitoring and reporting on their activities for over a year. Not sure of the connection with Al Qaeda. Those reports are almost impossible to access.

Another lovely day in the neighborhood, huh?

Ninth Scribe

Well according to many other reports, the guys who were allegdly going to blow up old trafford (manchester), plant ricin on the tube, plant chemical bombs (in forest gate), stockwell 'sucide bomber' were all montiered for many months as well. The police also mentioned that they were been watched by survelience teams as well. Were they terriosts though? No. Was their any tanglable and real evidence aganist them? No. Were they all released without charge (minus Mr Menizies who got shot dead)? Yes.

Remeber, in the eyes of british law (and other democratic countries): Your're innocent untill proven guilty, not the other way round! Lets not loose sight of the fact that ceratin sections of parliement are trying to irdicate the very foundations of british law and that these incidents are being used to justify that.

 

[wilberhum]

and what about your ridiculous conspiracy theories?

Muslims are not going to believe unless evidence is presented and the suspects are taken to court in order to be tried. 1 suspect has now been released WITHOUT CHARGE.

No matter what happens, most Muslims will not accdpt anything that makes another Muslim look bad.

 

[adi8putra]

No matter what happens, most Muslims will not accdpt anything that makes another Muslim look bad.

on d contrary, most muslims r not. they r peace loving people who i believe r just tired of being scrutinised for everything they do, just bcoz they r muslim. their faith, their way of life, their thinking.....almost everything is mercilessly being compared to d so called western ideals.... not forgetting a lot of accusations of d media on d muslims these days. they r just simply....tired! :heated:

 

[wilberhum]

on d contrary, most muslims r not. they r peace loving people who i believe r just tired of being scrutinised for everything they do, just bcoz they r muslim. their faith, their way of life, their thinking.....almost everything is mercilessly being compared to d so called western ideals.... not forgetting a lot of accusations of d media on d muslims these days. they r just simply....tired! :heated:

Show me a post where a Muslim has sopken out against a Muslim who has done evil. They will just say he is not a Muslim or blaim some one else for the problem. Most Muslims just refuse to accept any responsibility.

 

[Zulkiflim]

I would rather they error on the side of caution. I also would perfer harrassment to making funural arangements.

Salaam,

and that kind of thinking has set the ball in motion..

For suspicious intelligence 2 coutnry were bombed and more than 100 000 men womena dn children are dead..

As long as otehr die and you survive it is OK..

and you ask why do other hate the US....
Simple casue you think for your life it is clear we must die...

And so my reply is,for my life i will in self defence kill you and your first..

Does that make sesne to you??

 

[wilberhum]

So you support terrorism. Why am I not suprised. So you want to kill me and my first born. Another peace loving Muslim. You are the kind of person that makes me support the war on terrorism.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Show me a post where a Muslim has sopken out against a Muslim who has done evil. They will just say he is not a Muslim or blaim some one else for the problem. Most Muslims just refuse to accept any responsibility.

Salaam,

So you want us to condemn the acions to make you happy?
LOLOL..we know what we read and it is apparent thta even when shown such you wills till conitnue to think that we muslim do not condemn..

Do you understand that when we say an action is not Islamic does not mean that a person stop being a muslim.


And so far i ahve never met any one who say that a muslim is not a muslim.
we can accuse a person from everthing but if he has taekn the shahadah,,he is a muslim..

Osama is a Muslim ,so is Saddam and so on..

No matter what we back our brothers and sister,Osama and Saddam when they die will get a muslim burial and so on...

 

[Zulkiflim]

So you support terrorism. Why am I not suprised. So you want to kill me and my first born. Another peace loving Muslim. You are the kind of person that makes me support the war on terrorism.

Salaam,

i will kill you and your family not because out of hatred toward you,,but becasue i feel threathened by you and yours.

for your life you are willing to sacrifice my life,so i i cna by right and in the smae context be right to kill you first..

So your hatred started it and we muslim will finish it..ohh and maybe i shall rescue your first borna nd teach him to be a muslim....to reject his father idolatry and evil way...

to respect life and to know that all life is sacred..

But dont worry,in Islam we shall always make sure the orphans know who they are heritage wise,so that ic an explain to your son the way you live in a decadent western lifestyle and what not..

And i do suport the war on terrorism but for me YOU ARE THE TERRORIST...

patato patato..

 

[wilberhum]

No matter what we back our brothers and sister,Osama and Saddam

Just what I said. As a result you support terrorism.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Just what I said. As a result you support terrorism.

Salaam,

As i said i do support he war of terror..
but for me the terrorist is you ....and yours..

Osama,saddama nd will always be muslim unless they change religon..

 

[wilberhum]

Salaam,

As i said i do support he war of terror..
but for me the terrorist is you ....and yours..

Osama,saddama nd will always be muslim unless they change religon..

Thanks for giving support to my statement.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Thanks for giving support to my statement.

Salaam,

Statement that all muslim are and will alwys be muslim depsite their action..
of course,,but dont worry ,we muslim do not judge faith..

If you were a chriitain i would have said it is pitiful to be chrisitan,many people in history nowadys are no longer refernced as chrisian..like Hitler ..LOL

So brotherhood is in Islam,,,ONE UMMAH,.,.

 

[Durrah]

Show me a post where a Muslim has sopken out against a Muslim who has done evil. They will just say he is not a Muslim or blaim some one else for the problem. Most Muslims just refuse to accept any responsibility.

Im sorry but why should muslims be collectivly held responsible for the actions of others? Its perpoustrous to expect muslims everyday to some how apoligise or be burden with responsbility for every actions commited by other individuals. I don't give a hoot what some wacko does, thats doesnt mean I agree with it, but its not my problem. I'm responsiable for me, for my actions, what i say and do and nobody else. In the same way you are responsible for your ownself and not the actions of u.s milary, goverment, rogue soliders who have raped and abused people. So please cut the c**p.