Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.

[GuestFellow]

What secret agenda have islam and muslims got?

Nothing. There are Muslims that want to establish the Caliphate. That is all.

All the information about Islam is available from books and lectures. It is only the west that claims Muslims have something to hide.

 

[Perseveranze]

Why, what would the west and israel have to fear from a muslim 'caliphate'?

After all, isn't islam the 'religion of peace'?

What secret agenda have islam and muslims got?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I'd imagine with a Caliphate, the Zionists won't simply be able to walk into Palastine, bomb a few innocents and walk out with just a few "we condemn this act" speeches.

Trust me, the Caliphates job is to bring the unity of the Muslims back together again, thats why most Muslims want one.

 

[ChargerCarl]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I'd imagine with a Caliphate, the Zionists won't simply be able to walk into Palastine, bomb a few innocents and walk out with just a few "we condemn this act" speeches.

Trust me, the Caliphates job is to bring the unity of the Muslims back together again, thats why most Muslims want one.

So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?

 

[Perseveranze]

So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Please think for a second what I said. Your immediate conclusion derives from either your hate or your true misunderstanding.

Either way, not suprised you said that, even though I have no idea (from my post) how you came to the conclusion that Muslims want to kill jews/christians. What or who from have you been learning about Islam?

 

[R Khan]

Fox News me thinks.

 

[جوري]

!
Is this the muslim etiquette that is supposed to be displayed?

With the likes of you certainly!

And Iraq was a hell hole before the yanks went in!

And what would you call it now? paradisaical? further still did the Iraqis invite you in and ask for help for you to turn their hell into infinite hell?

saddam hussein killed/murdered 1,000's of muslims!

and you killed
Documented civilian
99,315 – 108,430 http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
it is funny as the Iraqi adage goes.. It is better to suffer from fever than to simply die a brutal death!

His regime was evil and barbaric and the 'bathist's' were just power crazed and corrupt!

your regime is an infinite times that corruption, greed, self-interest, lack of regard for human life, dignity or value. You and your govt. and all its supporters disgust me all around. The type of creeps that enjoy suffering of others, as you enjoy mocking children ..
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/05/...aunting-iraqi-children-future-gay-terrorists/

and stealing civilian body parts.. truly sick individuals unleashed upon the world!

If you regard them as muslims, who set a good example of islam in action, then I pity you!

irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!

saddam had statues and

pictures of himself everywhere, which must count as idolatry according to islam?

Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!

So sunnis and shi'ites and kurds weren't murdering each other before the yanks went in!
How much in denial are you?

I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!

How about taking on the point/s made!

You do that!

all the best

 

[ChargerCarl]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Please think for a second what I said. Your immediate conclusion derives from either your hate or your true misunderstanding.

Either way, not suprised you said that, even though I have no idea (from my post) how you came to the conclusion that Muslims want to kill jews/christians. What or who from have you been learning about Islam?

Well what other alternatives are there? Because I see none. How else are you going to dissolve such a powerful nation especially a nuclear state?

In fact I think large scale force is completely out of question too unless the islamic empire under the "caliphate" is willing to endure a nuclear holocaust just to drive away Israel.

 

[GuestFellow]

So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?

No.

Fox News me thinks.

:hmm:

Well what other alternatives are there?

No idea. If all Muslim countries were united, I think America and Israel will behave more cautiously.

Plus a Caliphate is in conflict with the project for a new American century, so this is another reason why I think the west will not tolerate an Islamic state.

 

[ChargerCarl]

The "islamic state" isn't really that bothersome, its the instability.

 

[GuestFellow]

The "islamic state" isn't really that bothersome, its the instability.

What ''instability?''

 

[Watcher888]

Nothing. There are Muslims that want to establish the Caliphate. That is all.

All the information about Islam is available from books and lectures. It is only the west that claims Muslims have something to hide.

The Victory.

1. [48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.

How will islam prevail over all rellgions?

 

[Watcher888]

With the likes of you certainly!
And what would you call it now? paradisaical? further still did the Iraqis invite you in and ask for help for you to turn their hell into infinite hell?
and you killed
Documented civilian
99,315 – 108,430
it is funny as the Iraqi adage goes.. It is better to suffer from fever than to simply die a brutal death!
your regime is an infinite times that corruption, greed, self-interest, lack of regard for human life, dignity or value. You and your govt. and all its supporters disgust me all around. The type of creeps that enjoy suffering of others, as you enjoy mocking children ..


and stealing civilian body parts.. truly sick individuals unleashed upon the world!
irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!

Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!

I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!
You do that!

all the best

You don't even know me, to be able to make such wild claims!
I don not support any government of the world!
I do not support any army of the world!
I do not support any war of the world!
Nothing in this world or this life represents me!
And I do not watch fox!

Face up to what is done in the name of islam, by those who call themselves muslims!

I guess your rhetoric is aimed at deflecting the issues hey!

If you regard them as muslims, who set a good example of islam in action, then I pity you!


irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!
saddam had statues and


pictures of himself everywhere, which must count as idolatry according to islam?



Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!

So sunnis and shi'ites and kurds weren't murdering each other before the yanks went in!
How much in denial are you?


I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!




How about taking on the point/s made!

 

[Watcher888]

What ''instability?''

Perhaps it's the different sects that murder each other?

Although some denialist's will probably blame everything on the Jews and the west!

 

[GuestFellow]

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How will islam prevail over all rellgions?

You tell me. I want to know how you interpreted that verse.

Perhaps it's the different sects that murder each other?

There are two major sects, Sunni and Shia. The Shia's have established their own Islamic state in Iran, no Sunni was killed in the process.

The Sunni have yet to establish the Caliphate, and nor will we murder those of other sects.

Although some denialist's will probably blame everything on the Jews and the west!

Like how the West blames everything on Muslims for the instability in the Middle East?

Both sides are to be blamed, to some extent.

At least some Muslims acknowledged that some Muslims have done bad things. The western government officially have yet announced the mistakes they have made.

 

[Watcher888]

You tell me. I want to know how you interpreted that verse.



There are two major sects, Sunni and Shia. The Shia's have established their own Islamic state in Iran, no Sunni was killed in the process.

The Sunni have yet to establish the Caliphate, and nor will we murder those of other sects.



Like how the West blames everything on Muslims for the instability in the Middle East?

Both sides are to be blamed, to some extent.

At least some Muslims acknowledged that some Muslims have done bad things. The western government officially have yet announced the mistakes they have made.

I have not interpreted the verse! Hence my question!
The Victory.

1. [48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.

But, I would like to see the muslim understanding of it please!

And as for sunni v shi'ite! And let's not forget the kurds!
I googled 'sunni vs shiite.'
I cannot post links.
Hardly brotherly love?:

What the Shi'ites say about Sunni Muslims

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, what I am going to show you is the truth about what the Shi'ites think of us Sunni Muslims. The Shi'ites may tell you that we are the same and that they love us but beware because the Shi'ites also believe that it is okay and that they will get lots of reward for lying to Sunni Muslims about what they beleive in....Below is the truth that the Shi'ites tried to hide from us for so long, it exposes the pure hatred that they hold against the Sunni Muslims. (the Shi'ites practise Taqayyah which means to conceal or lie about their beleifs)
Mohammad bin Al-hassan Toosi reports on the authority of Ishhaq bin Ammar, that Abu Abdullah said "The wealth, the property and everything which belongs to a Sunni is actually yours (is legal for you)" (Tahzib-ul Ahkam, Vol. 2 Kitabul Makasib, p. 116, published in Iran) above in this Shi'ites book it states that all Shi'ites can steal from any Sunni Muslim and that there is nothing wrong with that.
Moallah Khonas reported that Abdullah said "snatch the possessions of a Sunni whereever you find it and hand over my share (ie. One fifth) to me" (Tahzib ul Ahkam). Brothers and Sisters in Islam these Shi'ites think that they can steal our possessions and who knows what else they would like to do to us Sunni Muslims!
The Shi'ites say this regarding Sunni Muslims "Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (ie. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog." (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516) Here the Shi'ites have said that Sunni Muslims are worse than Dogs!
The Shi'ites say that we will never go to Paradise! "It is contained in several sources of information that they, (the assumed Imams of Shias) said: 'Should every angel that Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, has created, every prophet that Allah has appointed, every truthfull martyr, (collectively) pray to Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, to release a Nasbi (a Sunni) from the Hell, Allah would never release him." (Haqqul-Yaqeen, (Arabic), Vol. 2 P. 192) This is what the Shi'ites realy think about us!!! They say that if anyone who is a Sunni Muslim will go to Hell!!! Don't these Shi'ites know what they are saying??
This is what the Shi'ites say will happen when their so-called Imams will return "When Qaem alaihissalam appears, he will start slaughtering Sunnis and their Ulema before slaughtering the infidels (kuffar)." (By the term "Quem" the Shi'ites mean Imam Mahdi, their twelveth Imam) So here the Shi'ites state that we are not Muslims, and that we are worse than the infidels (kuffar)

So dear Brothers and Sisters, how can the Shi'ites expect us to be friends with them when they Insult us and call us Kauffar behind our backs. So when a Shi'ite Insults a Sunni he is also Insulting all the Scholars and all of those pious people in Islam, can't these Shi'ites see what is wrong with their own beleifs???
May Allah Guide the Shi'ites to the True Islam, and May Allah show us what the Shi'ites really are, Ameen.​

 

[GuestFellow]

I have not interpreted the verse! Hence my question!

Fine. I was just interested to see what you have to say about that verse.

Muslims desire to spread Islam however we cannot force anyone to convert. How Islam will prevail you ask? By Muslims setting a good Islam and spreading the knowledge of Islam.

The Victory.

Catch phrase?

But, I would like to see the muslim understanding of it please!

But, I'm no expert. I will probably take it out of context like I've done in the past.

And as for sunni v shi'ite! And let's not forget the kurds!
I googled 'sunni vs shiite.'
I cannot post links.
Hardly brotherly love?:

I never said it was brotherly love. There is a problem between Sunni and Shia Muslims, however, this problem is for them to resolve.

If the West intervene, they should get involved as mediators.

 

[جوري]

You don't even know me, to be able to make such wild claims!

Your writing/garbage is telling of your person!

I don not support any government of the world!

Then why all this advocacy for the good the 'yanks' have brought to Iraq or elsewhere?

I do not support any army of the world!
I do not support any war of the world!
Nothing in this world or this life represents me!
And I do not watch fox!

You seem desperate to rectify all the crap you spew on various threads by extricating yourself from it.. we call that hypocrisy!

Face up to what is done in the name of islam, by those who call themselves muslims!

Muslims can do as they please in their sovereign nations. You need to busy yourself with your own affairs!

]I guess your rhetoric is aimed at deflecting the issues hey!

What issues you twit?


have a good one!

 

[ChargerCarl]

What ''instability?''

Pakistan for example, who the joint forces listed as a country that could be in for a "rapid and sudden collapse."

Could you imagine the ramifications of pakistan becoming a failed state? Portions of the state aren't even under the governments control. What if pakistans nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands?

 

[GuestFellow]

Pakistan for example, who the joint forces listed as a country that could be in for a "rapid and sudden collapse."

I think that is due to ethnic divisions and corruption.

Could you imagine the ramifications of pakistan becoming a failed state? Portions of the state aren't even under the governments control.

True.

What if pakistans nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands?

Like who?

The "islamic state" isn't really that bothersome, its the instability.

It does not explain how an Islamic state would cause instability. It will unite Muslim countries under one banner, including those living in Pakistan. It should clear up any ethnic divisions.

 

[ChargerCarl]

It does not explain how an Islamic state would cause instability. It will unite Muslim countries under one banner, including those living in Pakistan. It should clear up any ethnic divisions.

I don't remember saying, or anyone else for that matter, that an Islamic state would cause instability.

My point is that now, more than ever, is it possible for a small group of individuals to inflict catastrophic damage onto other nations and that in order to avoid such acts of terror a strong, stable government is required to actively prevent such a thing from taking place.