US/NATO Terrorist Forces Blow Up wedding for the second time!

[Argamemnon]

Maybe the day someone provides me with a piece of reliable evidence that refutes the 'propaganda' that the Taliban are a bunch of suicide bombing, seven year old murdering, civilian slaughtering, drug funded, women beating psycopaths! They say absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but in this case, I'm not too sure...

That's an absurd statement, people are innocent until proven guilty. Where is your evidence for your claims that the Taliban are "seven year old murdering psychopaths" ? The U.S. and Israel are constantly massacring seven year old children and babies, which of course doesn't seem to bother you at all! Moreover, how on earth would this claim justify western state terrorism on a massive scale, destroying entire societies and inflicting unimaginable suffering that will last decades?

Also, you don't seem to realize that western states are the ones violating international law the most (compared to other nations). Iran, for example, is a much more responsible member of the International community than the US, UK and Israel combined. I can prove this by showing you all the violations and UN resolutions and human rights reports. I might have saved them on my computer, if you're interested. I also have excellent books (which include many references and sources) dealing with these subjects, why don't you buy some of those? If you are seriously interested in the truth that is!

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Keep it civil, chaps and chappitas. And on-topic.

lol i thought you said Chaps and Chappatis :-\ loool
Darn my imagination :-\

 

[Supreme]

US Army manuals define terrorism as "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature...through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear."

Western states conduct massive terrorist atrocities throughout the world in order to achieve their geo-political and geo-strategic goals. In other words; they are terrorist states. They typically don't adhere to international law themselves (check UN resolutions for example) while demanding less powerful nations to always do so. It's clear to me that you and your friends have nothing to add to this discussion.

How does this have any bearing on what I said? Why the hell are you talking about what a US army manual defines terrorism as? Terrorism is relative, regardless of what a US manual says...

That's an absurd statement, people are innocent until proven guilty. Where is your evidence for your claims that the Taliban are "seven year old murdering psychopaths" ? The U.S. and Israel are constantly massacring seven year old children and babies, which of course doesn't seem to bother you at all! Moreover, how on earth would this claim justify western state terrorism on a massive scale, destroying entire societies and inflicting unimaginable suffering that will last decades?

Here's my evidence:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ng_a_spy_suicide_bomber_kills_40_at_afgh.html

Of course seven year olds being massacred by anyone matters to me. When the hell did I say it didn't? Do some research before suggesting such inane, erroneous accusations in future!

Also, you don't seem to realize that western states are the ones violating international law the most (compared to other nations). Iran, for example, is a much more responsible member of the International community than the US, UK and Israel combined. I can prove this by showing you all the violations and UN resolutions and human rights reports. I might have saved them on my computer, if you're interested. I also have excellent books (which include many references and sources) dealing with these subjects, why don't you buy some of those? If you are seriously interested in the truth that is!

If you feel that way, why not do something about it instead of persistently complaining on an online chatboard!

 

[Ramadhan]

Nothing in this list is in line with the New Testament of Christianity and the Gospel of Jesus or follows the example of the early church!

Things done in the name of Christianity by these churches or religious christian hypocrites, DO NOT mean that they are justified by GOD(YAHWEH) or the scriptures of the New Testament!
There is NO scripture that anyone can find that will justify any of this!

You can keep saying that.

But the facts show that the biggest perpetrators and supporters of all those killings and heinous crimes have always been the church.

even until now.

The biggest supporters of US/western invasions to Afghanistan and Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians are the church, the conservatives and the christian right.

among the christians, there seem to be permanent disconnect between whats in their heart, their mouth and their actions.

 

[aadil77]

Nothing in this list is in line with the New Testament of Christianity and the Gospel of Jesus or follows the example of the early church!

Things done in the name of Christianity by these churches or religious christian hypocrites, DO NOT mean that they are justified by GOD(YAHWEH) or the scriptures of the New Testament!
There is NO scripture that anyone can find that will justify any of this!

-46 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.

-Ezekiel 9:5-7 "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.

-Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

^To kill a child and women etc? What sort of punishments are these? God is the most Justified!

The Brother quoted the book of Ezekeil.
Ezekiel 9:5-7 "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.

According to Christianity, the Old Testament is the closest you can get to as in most reliable source , the earlier source, may i ask when the New testament was established? in the days of Jesus(pbuh) or after those days? Are you saying the Old testament has no part to play , you should throw it away, and not even follow one teaching from that book? if you are going to follow the New testament version? How can you say its a reliable source?

I apologise for the bombardment of Qs, just curious.

 

[جوري]

You missed or ignored this:

And the Old Testament verses that you have quoted are GOD's punishment against the ancient Israelites and Jerusalem!
They are now history and DO NOT have any relevance for today, ever since Jesus and the New Covenant of the New Testament was established!

is he not the 'same god' or is the christian god a monolithic confused one that can't make up his own mind? more evident by the apostles he choose of whom 'the rock' denounced him three times, where he crucified and then abrogated more of his old forgotten commandments through his nemesis saul.. but then what can we expect when god chooses a woman to be both his lover and his mother.. it is the wildest sham I have ever encountered in any mythology frankly! Not even ganesh's tale is as strange as this!

 

[tango92]

You missed or ignored this:

And the Old Testament verses that you have quoted are GOD's punishment against the ancient Israelites and Jerusalem!
They are now history and DO NOT have any relevance for today, ever since Jesus and the New Covenant of the New Testament was established!

i wonder why you continue to read a book which has no relevance for today. Did God forget to take that part out?

 

[aadil77]

You missed or ignored this:

And the Old Testament verses that you have quoted are GOD's punishment against the ancient Israelites and Jerusalem!
They are now history and DO NOT have any relevance for today, ever since Jesus and the New Covenant of the New Testament was established!

Are god and jesus not the same thing? do they contradict each other?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Under the Old Covenant as revealed in the Old Testament, GOD(YAHWEH) destroyed the wicked and evil stiff necked rebellious ancient Israelites!
Those that had wilfully and freely forsaken GOD(YAHWEH) and had taken to worshipping idols and false god's and committing abomination after abomination!
Even in the Temple at Jerusalem, the house of GOD(YAHWEH)!

The New Testament, reveals the New Covenant as established by Jesus!

The Old Testament is now mostly just a historical document, and contains as yet unfulfilled prophecy concerning the 'End Times' and the 'Last Days'!

With the coming of Jesus Christ, the 'Law & Commandments' of the Old Covenant are actually fulfilled in Jesus Himself, because He was the sinless 'Son of GOD(YAHWEH)!

It was and remains the fact that no created human being has ever been sinless(except Adam & Eve before the fall!
The 'Law & Commandments' were given to show that and to point to the need for a personal 'Saviour'!

Galatians 3 (Amplified Bible)

1O YOU poor and silly and thoughtless and unreflecting and senseless Galatians! Who has fascinated or bewitched or cast a spell over you, unto whom--right before your very eyes--Jesus Christ (the Messiah) was openly and graphically set forth and portrayed as crucified?

2Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the [Holy] Spirit as the result of obeying the Law and doing its works, or was it by hearing [the message of the Gospel] and believing [it]? [Was it from observing a law of rituals or from a message of faith?]

3Are you so foolish and so senseless and so silly? Having begun [your new life spiritually] with the [Holy] Spirit, are you now reaching perfection [by dependence] on the flesh?

3Are you so foolish and so senseless and so silly? Having begun [your new life spiritually] with the [Holy] Spirit, are you now reaching perfection [by dependence] on the flesh?

Okay thanks for your reply i really do appreciate it.
I have another Q, hope im not being too geeky :-\
In which bible is it mentioned that jesus claimed to be God or worship me? I know their 66 Gospels right?

Sorry if im going off topic, You may delete this or ignore it InshaAllaah if so

So yeah
Peace dudes and dudettes!

 

[جوري]

You make wild claims!

Peter(the rock) may have denied Jesus at first but he ended up being persecuted unto death for his faith in Jesus!

Not wild at all, that is how others view your religion.. here is a 'God' who couldn't choose apostles effective enough to shoulder the responsibility after his 'death' as amusing as that is and if I am to overlook the death of god, these are the folks he entrusted with his alleged new covenant, a guy who denounced him three times, and another his arch nemesis.. how kind of God to throw the masses into confusion..

Saul/Paul did not abrogate anything, GOD changed the 'covenant'!

why did god change his mind and his covenant and decide to do it through a nemesis? he wasn't happy about his previous decisions?

And GOD(YAHWEH) did NOT choose Mary to be His lover and mother!

who us 'yahweh' do you have any idea what the word yaweh actually means? it means ya hwa literally oh he, both in Arabic and hebrew.. I am not sure why you keep putting it in there like it is the secret name of God.. why did god choose a 12 year old to be a wife and a mother to him? even if it weren't through sperms?

Jesus was 'divinely' 'incarnated in to Mary's womb!

and what happened to the other god while he was being 'reincarnated' if you are a strict monotheist? left the world behind for a period of infancy, and childhood?

There was NO male sperm fertilising a female egg!

see above!

Mary was the 1st. surrogate mother!

why does god need to be mothered?

GOD(YAHWEH) changed the 'covenant'(agreement) between Himself and His creation!

because he didn't like the way he was running the show before and he felt this would really elucidate things better? to be born, dam n the earth, pray to self, eat, go to the bathroom, die, and tell saul the things he couldn't when he was alive?

give me a break!

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Maryam (May the peace and blessings of God Allmighty be upon her) according to the Quraan is the truthful Mother

"Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth"

So yeah

 

[Al-Indunisiy]

Even muslims believe that Jesus is going to return!
But, why isn't mohammad going to return?

Because he doesn't need to. Judging by the rational background of your question that I assume, your question leads down to significance.

For Christians, significance is, I assume, put on the Advent of Christ, therefor the most prominent figure (i.e. Jesus) must be at play.

A parallel that some would say in the Muslim mind is the tradition of memorising, therefor one of the arguments for the Qur'an's prominence being it's relative ease to be commited to memory.

 

[Ramadhan]

Even muslims believe that Jesus is going to return!
But, why isn't mohammad going to return?

yes, muslims believe that Jesus (as) is going to return to earth.
And yes, Muhammad (SAW) is not going to return to earth.

What is your point?

 

[Ramadhan]

Jesus came in to the world in human form as a baby, therefore he was as a human being! He showed that He was GOD in the flesh/human form!

Did you actually step back and read again what you wrote?
Did you not realize your sentence and claim 1. does not make any sense, 2. illogical?

 

[tango92]

It is relevant as history(creation and GOD's dealings with us humans) and contains as yet unfulfilled prophecy about the 'End Times' and the 'Last Days'!

hang on, you cant sit down and decide for yourself what God wanted you to follow and what he didnt. at least you agree its nothing more than a history book though, not a very reliable source either.

so the new testament, the grand spanking new law and wisdom as bought down by jesus still requires the old version to be complete? ie it turns out God did forget to put some info in.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

That makes you an antichrist then!

No it makes me a MUSLIM!.
Muslim=Submitter to the will of God , Jesus submitted to the will of God, making him a M.u.s.l.i.m!

Maryam (as)the mother of Jesus (pbuh)worshipped Allaah.
Anyway this is what Jesus (pbuh) said according to the Quraan when asked by God Allmighty. . .

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

 

[aadil77]

woh woh hold it there questioner, start another thread on comparitive religion

I don't want stuff about the antichrist derailing my thread

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

woh woh hold it there questioner, start another thread on comparitive religion

I don't want stuff about the antichrist derailing my thread

lol@ woh woh. . .

 

[Ramadhan]

NO there are not 66 gospels!
There is a total of 66 books in the bible, which consists of the Old and NEW testaments!

Maybe you can elaborate for us that:
Almost all of the books in bible were written by unknown authors, the first few new testaments books were not written centuries after jesus (as) died, there are countless errors and contradictions in the books and amongst them, the biggest proponent of paganism-based trinity was paul who was nemesis of jesus (as) and did not even meet jesus (as) at all.
oh well. There are still lots I want to write here, but I do not want to derail this thread.

Jesus did not directly say to worship Him!

ah, so we agree that Jesus 9as) never told anyone to worship him.
This is a very good step forward for you to the truth.

As I have said elsewhere, to help understand the trinity!

A grandfather is also a father and a son! 3 different relationships in 1 person.

ah, I got it.
But a grandfather is also an uncle, a nephew, a grandson, a great grandfather, a great grandson, etc.
So who are the rest?
Let me guess: Gabriel, Paul, Virgin Mary, hmm.. I am running out of names soon.
No wonder there are SO MANY gods in greek/roman religions, Hindu, etc..

But what if the grandfather is not married? then he cannot bear son, and no grandson either?

The mind BOGGLES.

But, GOD with His supreme power, is able to separate in to 3 persons at the same time!

OH NO!!!

You are LIMITING Him to be 3 separate persons? Why can't he be 4, 5, 6 or a MILLION persons?
That means you are LIMITING the power of GOD.

Blasphemy!

GOD(YAHWEH) is not just 1 dimensional!

I am treasuring this claim of yours.
This essence of christianity is a gem.