US plan attack suspect quizzed after terror attempt

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think this justifies the air attacks by the US on yemen...

I wouldn't say that. The al Queda cells in Yemen are of far more concern to the Yemenis, Saudis and Omanis than the US. Most terror plots against America are hatched in Pakistan and Afghanistan, not Yemen.

Be careful for what you ask for... Reportedly this "buffoon" was able to fly to the u.s without a passport, was also on the watch list thanks to his dad, and was able to pull of what he did. Fail or not, that must be pretty embarrassing for the whole 'war on terror' and the guys running homeland security, not the other way around. I'm not saying I support what he did or tried to do but, I'm just simply pointing out the facts.

Oh yes, it is embarassing for the Americans, who reportedly have the best intelligence service in the world. Both sides should be thoroughly humiliated. I'm just saying, if these are the standard of terror attacks that await the West in the future, such intelligence services are more or less redundant.
 
CNN Airs Eyewitness Testimony that ‘Well-Dressed’ Indian accomplice helped Abdulmutallab board without passport and that man on plane filmed entire flight and bombing attempt

Aaron Dykes
Infowars
December 29, 2009

Evidence is emerging that clearly indicates Abdulmutallab was more than just a Nigerian extremist carrying out his anger through an ill-conceived plot to ignite a powdery explosive substance on-board a flight to the United States. Eyewitness testimony pointing to a man helping the accused terrorist board without a passport, along with an unusual cameraman documenting the attempted attack on board the plane raise more than red flags– they point towards an intelligence operation, run as a drill, meant to conjure up public support for a number of fronts in the continuing ‘War on Terror.’

CNN interviewed key flight witnesses during their Dec. 28 program who raised these very points, making clear that the full story is still emerging and that wider-connections to intelligence handlers is evident.

THE SHARP-DRESSED MAN

Kurt Haskell and his wife, who were witnesses on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253 saw Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab receiving assistance from a well-dressed, wealthy-looking Indian man at the boarding gate in Amsterdam. Haskell told CNN that the accused bomber appeared strikingly ‘poor’ next to the well-dressed man. According to Haskell, that man did the talking for him, explaining to the flight personnel at the gate that Abdulmutallab needed to board without a passport, claiming that he was a Sudanese refugee. Haskell told CNN:
“Laurie and I were sitting near the boarding gate, sitting on the floor, there weren’t any seats to sit in. And I saw two men. They caught my eye because they seemed to be an odd pair. One was what I would describe as a poor-looking black teenager around 16 or 17, and the other man, age 50-ish, wealthy looking Indian man. And I was just wondering why they were together– kinda strange. And I watched them approach what I would call the ticket agent, the final person that checks your boarding pass before you get on the plane. And I could hear the entire conversation. The only person that spoke was the Indian man, and what he said was: ‘This man needs to board the plane, but he doesn’t have a passport.’ And the ticket agent responded, ‘Well, if he doesn’t have a passport, he can’t get on the plane.’ To which the Indian man responded back, ‘He’s from Sudan. We do this all the time.’ And the ticket agent said, ‘Well, then you’ll have to go and talk to my manager.’ And she directed them down a hallway. And that was the last time I saw the Indian man, and the black man I didn’t see again until he tried to blow up our plane hours later.”
The gate attendee referred the odd-couple to the manager. Haskell said that was the last he saw of the wealthy man, but later recognized Abdulmutallab after the incident occurred on the plane. That’s when he says he put two and two together about the unusual connection.
His wife, Laurie, said she found it ‘odd’ that authorities have not yet followed up on their witness account, as they were the only ones known to have witnessed Abdulmutallab with the ‘Indian’ man prior to boarding the flight.

THE CAMERAMAN

If he had help getting on the flight with no passport after having been reported to U.S. authorities by his own father, what is the true explanation for the man seen filming the entire flight? Another witness on board the flight, Richelle Keepman, said she noticed the mysterious cameraman at the beginning of the flight, believing the man might have been simply excited about a first flight, or etc. Later when the ‘bombing’ incident took place, she says the cameraman was the only one standing up, and intently filming the entire incident.

ADDULMUTALLAB AND THE WIDER WAR ON TERROR

Put this together with new focus on Yemen ‘in the fight against Al Qaeda’, including calls from Sen. Lieberman to pre-emptively attack, the media’s immediate hype of the event, and the ready-made Body Scanners and other ‘enhanced’ Airport security, it is clear that this is a contrived incident intentionally unleashed to goad renewed support for ever-expanding terrorism-related warfare in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan and now Yemen.
Just like after 9/11, airport travelers are again prepared to accept greater violations of their liberties and privacy for supposed security. Yet patsies and watchlist-subjects alike have repeatedly been allowed to bypass security clearance and been proven to have ties to the intelligence community. The latest accused ‘terrorist’ Abdulmutallab was very likely the fall-guy in a pattern-drill– handled by wealthy, mismatched associates, allowed to board without required credentials, and videotaped by a cameraman with an unknown connection. Was Abdulmutallab involved with these figures through a drill which ended with an intentionally-failed bombing meant to incite great fear of terrorism?

PREVIOUSLY-STAGED TERROR

This would fit closely with other elements of CIA-concocted “terrorism.” Many of the 9/11 hijackers and other known extremists were revealed to have participated in ‘dry run’ drills, shared addresses with intelligence handlers or lived on military bases, were allowed to pass through the border despite being on one or more watchlists, and were given VISAS/Passports through execptions and/or special clearance.

Similarly, David Headly, named in the Mumbai attack, has been exposed as a CIA-double agent.

FBI/CIA provocateurs and exaggerated accounts of extremists groups have continued to emerge from the phony stories given to the public in the cases of many would-be plots, such as in Toronto, the ‘plot’ to bomb the Sears Tower, the Transatlantic liquid bomb plot, alleged plans to ‘blow up a Jewish temple and shoot down military planes’ in New York and more.
We see a similar pattern here, the emerging evidence strongly suggests. How long will we allow deliberately-provoked terror incidents to frighten us to death, invade our privacy, erode our liberties, restrict our travel and perpetuate an ever-expanding string of wars?

COMMENTARY: BODY-SCANNERS AND THE SECURITY-SWINDLE

Benjamin Franklin long ago warned us that “If we restrict liberty to attain security, we will lose both.” And that those willing to make that bargain deserve neither their liberty nor security.

On the most basic level, government is established only for the common security of its people. Thus, it is no surprise that government tends to test the line between the government and the governed on grounds of “security.” It is no coincidence that Franklin and fellow compatriots like Thomas Paine laid down principled reasons for an individuals’ rights in respect to government.

Today’s advances in technology do not diminish the principled reasons for keeping government’s power in check with the people’s essential, as per Franklin– freedom. The ‘War on Terror’ is a shining example of Franklin’s principle gone awry. You cannot fight against an existential, shadowy “enemy”, on a fishing expedition for evidence, avoiding certainties, and employing such unprincipled tactics as torture, rendition, widespread wire-tapping– going against the very spirit of the law established by the Constitution, while hoping to maintain that opposing spirit in the nation.
The people, for reasons of “security” are stripped and searched– preemptively, without warrant, probable cause or specific things being searched for– in ever-expanding screenings– losing privacy, dignity and basic freedom of travel. But even this is not the point.

All the while, the rare, real perpetrator, identified as a terrorist, never goes through the database checks, security screening or passenger tracking schemes set-up by Homeland Security. The people do. Mothers with breastmilk. Business men with laptops. Shoes, belts, nail clippers, tooth paste, underwear, but not terrorists.

They evidently are whisked through by contacts who may or may not work directly for the FBI, CIA or etc. Databases make exceptions for its most-important targets while people with commonly-confused names are kept from flying or subject to secondary screening. Any ordinary person without proper documentation is subject, at the least, to alternate verification and likely quite a few intense questions. For this would-be bomber, however, it is apparently the matter of a handshake with the manager, and a high-level contact to vouch as sponsor.

It’s a bait and switch. It’s not security, Constitutionally-sound or not. It’s a scheme to tightly-control the travel of ordinary Americans while co-opting that fear through staged-attacks to generate support for various overseas operations. It is textbook problem-reaction-solution.

Though the Body Scanners have already been phased in throughout the U.S., they along with newly hailed restrictions, such as banning blankets, electronics and on-board bathroom use during the final 60 minutes of flight, are heavy-handed measures set up by Homeland Security that have been waiting for the right excuse to introduce them to the public.

But it’s a misapplication of security by an inept arm of government stumbling in the dark. The TSA offers neither security nor freedom– it’s Franklin’s monster.

The heroic, but also practical actions of the passengers in thwarting this attempted-attack is a sane reminder in the fog of the ‘War on Terror’ that people can actually fend for themselves in many situations, particularly in the face of danger. Though real, big scale dangers do exist for which governments clearly play a role, we cannot shriek in the face of danger, handing over to government all that we hold in the balance. There are ways of detecting crimes, preventing attacks and ’saving lives, for the children’ that don’t involve enslaving and indicting the whole of the population.

The game is surely rigged if the criminal it was meant to catch walks right through the proverbial back-door, which was held open for him by the archetypal inside man. The trading of liberty for so-called security does not balance favorably, but transfers power duly held by the people to the government, the more dangerous by the loosened-chains of the Constitution.

Supporting links and further info:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/man-videotaped-underwear-bomber-on-flight-253.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bomber-had-no-passport-helped-to-board-plane-by-sharp-dressed-man.html
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/28/terror.suspect.father/index.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/terrorist-or-cia-agent-maybe-both.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/080606militaryconnections.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-york-terror-plot-another-government-provocateured-set-up.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cia-and-mi6-links-to-rauf-and-liquid-bomb-plot.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/230606searstower.htm
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The war in Iraq and Afangistan surely makes people in america feel so safe:skeleton: According to American policies, they are the most powerful country in the world, so they can drop bombes, kill innocent people, destroy societies so that their people can have nice barbecues or what ever they do,and blame the muslim world for their actions. How sad.:grumbling

Well, i dont say it makes them feel safe, but if we left, would al-qaeda again take root and operate more freely?
 
Well, i dont say it makes them feel safe, but if we left, would al-qaeda again take root and operate more freely?

Al Queda as led by bin Laden is actually a very small organization- moreover, there are many different al Quedas operating across the globe, each with their own leader and countries but with identical aims. The whole reason Bush went into Iraq was not because of al Queda- indeed, Saddam and his Arab nationalist Baath Party was a very good buffer against al Queda. It's also unlikely that if we left Afghanistan, al Queda would return there, because their allies the Taliban would find it rather hard to control the country again.
 
Well, i dont say it makes them feel safe, but if we left, would al-qaeda again take root and operate more freely?

I think you need to understand the root cause of the problem. America does have a right to defend itself, but I question their intention. The war on terror is not solving the problems in the Middle East, it is like a never ending war. It is creating more problems. The cause root of the problem lies with Western countries interfering with the Middle East. Western countries have took part in political affairs in the Middle East due to oil and Israel.

Palestinian and Israel conflict is one of the reasons why we have terrorists, America and Britain played a significant role in this conflict. This is why terrorists are targeting America and Britain. I would like to add there is not enough evidence that Osama Bin Laden was involved in September 11th, if this was the case he would have been charged. On the FBI wanted list, he is not charged for what happened on 9/11 but the bombings that took place in 1998. The Bush Administration had information about terrorists planning to attack America, Condaleeza Rice once a former security adviser stated when questioned by the 9/11 Commission that there was evidence of terrorists planning to attack. Even based upon what George Bush said, there is evidence even he know about these attacks before they happened. So I believe there is information that the USA government has not revealed.

Going to war with Afghanistan is suicidal. Many countries have tried to invade Afghanistan and failed, that is one of the reasons why the Soviet Union fell apart.

The Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11. There was no weapons of mass destruction. Saddam was an Arab nationalist, he had a secular government, this goes against the teachings of Islam.

You need to go back to the root cause of the problem, solve the Palestinian and Israel conflict and when America gets involved in the Middle East, it should not use violence or deception.

Or are you one of those crazy NWO types?

You do realise Bush and his dad, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the leader of France have spoke of New World Order? They actually stated it themselves.
 
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Al Queda as led by bin Laden is actually a very small organization- moreover, there are many different al Quedas operating across the globe, each with their own leader and countries but with identical aims. The whole reason Bush went into Iraq was not because of al Queda- indeed, Saddam and his Arab nationalist Baath Party was a very good buffer against al Queda. It's also unlikely that if we left Afghanistan, al Queda would return there, because their allies the Taliban would find it rather hard to control the country again.
That actually makes sense, but i think the issue may become pakistan. Dunno.
 
That actually makes sense, but i think the issue may become pakistan. Dunno.

I highly doubt the Taliban in Pakistan will get hold of nuclear weapons and over throw the government.

The USA administration make several claims based upon nuclear weapons when they have no validity, they stated Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't, they are saying a small group of fighters from villagers are somehow going to overthrow the government and somehow managed to get hold of nuclear weapons and the US is also claiming Iran is planning to make nuclear weapons which is absurd....the Aytollah has released a fatwa stating they shall not make nuclear weapons...

^ Don't you find the above very odd...everything has something to do with WMD...
 
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[/QUOTE]and blame the muslim world for their actions. How sad.:grumbling[/QUOTE]

This seems to be the prevailing attitude, everyone is blaming everyone else and no one is taking responsibility for their actions. Someone has to make the first step and move beyond the vendetta, whether it's the Middle East or the West. Sorry if this offends anyone, just my opinion.
 
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No its not offensive. The people might admit they have made mistakes, but the politicians and those in power are too stubborn. Very rare for a politician to admit they have made a mistake and take responsibility.
 
Greetings,

Is it significant that the BBC report at the top of the thread doesn't make any reference to this would-be bomber being a Muslim (at least not that I could find)? Maybe the BBC is responding to the usual criticism they get for this.

Peace
 
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No its not offensive. The people might admit they have made mistakes, but the politicians and those in power are too stubborn. Very rare for a politician to admit they have made a mistake and take responsibility.


I know,imsad, Politicians are what is wrong with politics.
 
shame der was this other Nigerian man and he had toilet problems (constipation or sumthing) so he was in the toile t on a plane for a long tym and they arrested him
 

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