US soldier admits Iraq girl rape

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Hopefully Iraq is not another Viet-Nam. But, I am starting to see some of the same tactics being used by all sides. For those who do not remember Nam, some daily events that American GI's faced:

During momentary breaks of peace Saigon was a beautiful City and the people were the lovingest most caring people you could ever expect to find. Us naive GI's would fall into a sense of false security and then the tragedies would begin. Five and six year old little girls wrapped in explosives and walking smiling up to small groups of GI's and detonating the explosives. Young mothers with a baby in their arms walking up to a group of young GI's and saying stuff like My Baby is sick, please help me, than when somebody came close she would detonate the hand grenade hidden in the Babies diaper. I could go on for hours talking about some of the events. Sadly the constant fear and paranoia lead many GI's to take on the Attitude of "Kill'em All. Let God(swt) do the sorting." That attitude is one of the things that lead to My Lai.

But, in spite of all that and seeing more than a few GI's break down, I do not recall any rapes upon any young girls.

I can not come up with any justification as to what drove those GI's to rape that defensless girl. In my heart I find it very difficult to forgive them for the disgrace they have brought upon all soldiers.
 
Certainly a disgusting crime. Inshallah they will be given the death sentence.

I would like if they are given back to the Iraqi government for punishment, but that is not likely to happen.
 
Nablus said:
This is the real face of USA Army!!!!
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It isn't supposed to be... but after reviewing numerous complaints and reports, I do have to wonder where all these wachos are coming from. I know they had problems with recruitment, but they've settled for standards that just don't wash.

No wonder Muslims hate us so much! What an -sshole!!!

Ninth Scribe
 
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imaad_udeen said:
Certainly a disgusting crime. Inshallah they will be given the death sentence.
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Too easy, but I'm touchy on issues of rape. I think men who rape women should have their **** cut off... let them beg for death and not find it anywhere.

But I'm twisted like that :Evil:

Ninth Scribe
 
imaad_udeen said:
Certainly a disgusting crime. Inshallah they will be given the death sentence.

I would like if they are given back to the Iraqi government for punishment, but that is not likely to happen.
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I would not rule that out. If they are tried in a Military court, they will only be tried for crimes that are in violation of the UCMJ. However, they will still be subject to violation of Civilian Laws which will be in a Civilian court where the crimes took place.

If things go as they are supposed to. They will be tried in a military court and then when their sentence is complete they will be turned over to civilian courts (Iraq) for trial of Civilian crimes.

However, it will be a long wait, if they are found guilty in a Military court they will most likely receive Life imprisonment or death. It has been a long time since the US military has impossed the death penalty, so chances are the means of execution would be firing squad or possibly hanging. I doubt if the military has done any changes to allow letahal injection.

I can not say that is the way things will happen, but in my opinion that is the fairest way for it to happen.
 
This reminds me of a picture showing an afghani boy holding a sign saying :American soldier killed my dad and raped my sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Yes I believe that posts was deleted as well, which is a shame because I was looking forward to reading the responses. There was a huge thread on the treament of slave girls here
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/8369-slave-girls.html

Basically my understanding of this thread is the prisoners of war of an Islamic army are handed over to an Islamic state, and if this state does not have the resources to take care of them, they will be distributed to men as slaves, and the men must treat them well and provide for them and then men have the right to sex with them (based on this Quranic verse: "Who guard their modesty except with those joined to them in the marriage bond or the (captive) women in their possession. They are free from blame”. (23:5-6 and 70:29-30))

I'm not quite sure if the slave has the right to say refuse sexual intercorse...if not then I would classify this as "rape" as well. I suppose the difference is the procedure that must be followed between the capture and the rape which, I suppose, makes the Islamic version marginally better than what this American solider did.
 
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I'm not quite sure if the slave has the right to say refuse sexual intercorse...if not then I would classify this as "rape" as well. I suppose the difference is the procedure that must be followed between the capture and the rape which, I suppose, makes the Islamic version marginally better than what this American solider did.
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In either case, whether american soldier with captive or muslim soldier with captive, the dirty b*****ds need severe discipline for forcing themselves on a young girl. American or muslim, they should keep their dirty paws off an innocent girl.
 
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Astagfirullah. Everyone who does this crime, may they burn in Hell.

It's seems like war can show a man's true face... "Can't control it" Hmpf. Give me a break, it just shows how twisted your mind is. May Allah help them.

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Al-Zaara - Are you saying that rape in all circumstances is considered wrong in Islam?

For example, if a man forces his slave or his wife to have intercourse with him is that wrong?

I am unclear as to whether or not captives can refuse sex?
 
chris4336 said:
Al-Zaara - Are you saying that rape in all circumstances is considered wrong in Islam?

For example, if a man forces his slave or his wife to have intercourse with him is that wrong?

I am unclear as to whether or not captives can refuse sex?
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I understand what you're asking and you want the Islamic view of this, but I'm afraid I really am not knowledgeable enough to tell you what Islam says about the situation with your wife or slave.

I myself feel it's wrong. Allah (swt) knows best.
 
I consider it wrong as well and would be very relieved to hear that Islam does as well...anyone???
 
Islam sees rape as a crime. All this stuff about slaves and prisoners and what have you is steering away from the topic of this thread. I suggest having a quick look in the Comparative Religion section for the answers to your questions, chris4336.
 
At the moment I forgot the exact ayyats. However there are numerous ayyats that demand a man to treat all woment fairly and to protect them. It is evident in many passages that rape is forbidden under all circumstances. Sadly at the moment I am brain dead. But, this one Ayyat should give some insight as to how esteemed women are in Islam.

4:19. O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good. S P C

Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation
 
When I read my recent post again it seems like I don't know that rape is seen as a crime in Islam.
Now this feels embarrassing, I just wasn't sure about the wife situation.

JazakAllah khair uncle Woodrow and brother Muezzin for the clarification.

Sorry for going off-topic.

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We will now return this thread back to the original topic. This was a good side track as it does show that Muslims are not setting up a double stand for Muslims and non-Muslims concerning rape.

Rape is a Crime if it is committed by a Muslim or a non-Muslim. And simply put if a woman says no it means no and against her will is rape.
 
Thank you very much for clearing that up Woodrow. I really don't want to stay off topic but since I cannot PM I want to ask if you can PM me with some sources from the Quran/Hadith/Sharia on this topic? I would really appreciate it and I think this would really help with some of the issues I've been dealing with in Islam (and you should see the horrible sites that come up when you google "Slave, rape, Islam"). Thank you very much.

Back to topic - I think it is very wrong what happened and I pray this little girl will someday heal. I think the solider should be held completely responsible. I hope that if any good comes out of this it is that the American people will start questioning their goverment more as to why we are in this war in the first place.
 
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I consider it wrong as well and would be very relieved to hear that Islam does as well...anyone???
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Oh, it does! But it adds insult to injury when this happens in war by enemy (foreign) armies. One of the things that sent Zarqawi over the edge was the letter by Fatima from Abu Graib prison. Have you read that? I did, and I didn't care about issues of nationality... I wanted to turn them ALL into Eunuchs!

Copy of the Letter of Fatima = http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2005/05/abu_ghraib_pris_1.html

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