US want do friendship with Taliban!

[tango92]

this is good news for us. it seems the west is getting desperate and realising they cant win. they wouldnt be negotiating peace talks if they thought they could overthrow them.

but then i just fear they dont pull a vietnam or hirsohima on it and withdraw. like the cowards do when they get beat...

but nah. theres something special about afghanistan that drew them there and they obviously havent got it yet.

 

[Supreme]

Dear Supreme,

May I ask what the name is of the galaxy you live in? It seems that we live in separate galaxies :hmm:

The U.S. has been torturing Muslim countries for decades. Shall I give just two examples? First, they support and protect Israel, the brutal occupying power in the Middle East which is inflicting unimaginable suffering and death on Muslims. The U.S. has been torturing Iran since 1953. Toppling their regime, installing puppet regimes, placing sanctions, threatening with invasion etc. If you don't submit to total U.S. domination, you will be considered an enemy and have to deal with threats, brutal sanctions, secret CIA operations, invasions and much more.

What they have done in Iraq is even worse. The sanctions alone killed over half a million people (at least). Don't you think this is a very serious act of hostility? Saddam was their best friend when this relationship served their interests. There is so much more to say. Please read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, and "Hegemony or Survival - America's quest for global dominance" by Noam Chomsky.

I don't think it's fair to say that America's been hostile to the Muslim world because of Israel. Before 9/11, Americans supported Israel, not because they were Islamophobic, but because they were pro Jewish.

As for Iran, it's nothing special. America's been doing the same in other countries for years, irregardless of what faith the majority adheres to. It's part of the American desire for dominance, it's in their nature.

However, post 9/11, I would agree America has become increasingly hostile to Muslims.

 

[Argamemnon]

I don't think it's fair to say that America's been hostile to the Muslim world because of Israel. Before 9/11, Americans supported Israel, not because they were Islamophobic, but because they were pro Jewish.

It's precisely because of unconditional U.S. support that Israel can sustain this occupation and rejects any peace initiative, Arab or International.

As for Iran, it's nothing special. America's been doing the same in other countries for years, irregardless of what faith the majority adheres to. It's part of the American desire for dominance, it's in their nature.

It is 'special' for those who are suffering. As Muslims we are obliged to defend ourselves. Should we just allow them to do what they want? Why? Does or did America or Britain ever turn the other cheek?

 

[Woodrow]

this is good news for us. it seems the west is getting desperate and realising they cant win. they wouldnt be negotiating peace talks if they thought they could overthrow them.

but then i just fear they dont pull a vietnam or hirsohima on it and withdraw. like the cowards do when they get beat...

but nah. theres something special about afghanistan that drew them there and they obviously havent got it yet.

Sadly, they just may have achieved their goal. The goal being to keep the region unstable. There is no desire to bring peace to the region. At this time the purpose being to make in unfeasible for China to mine the Aykan Copper Deposits near Kabul and keep it too costly for China to put pipelines and railroad tracks through Afghanistan.

I believe the USA sees China as being the greatest threat to the USA in terms of economics and military strength. China is winning the economic war as China businesses now own nearly 1/3 of the USA bussinesses and is the largest portion of the National debt is owed to China. China is the only country with sufficient man power to occupy the US. The one thing China lacks is sufficient fuel resources to launch and invasion against the USA.

China has signed some of the largest oil leases in history with Iran and Iraq. But to get the oil is going to require pipelines and rail roads through Afghanistan and Pakistan. If China is going to build up it's mechanized military it needs the oil. The key to getting the oil is Afghanistan.

The easiest way for the USA to keep China from getting the oil, is to keep Afghanistan unstable and in turmoil. The USA has no need for Afghanistan, but it has a need to keep China out.

I see this as a war between China and the USA, but we are fighting it by using Afghanistan as the battlefield. Economically it is less costly for the USA to stay in a state of war in Afghanistan for 100 years, than to have an open war with China for one week.

I suspect the USA will remain in Afghanistan until Afghanistan becomes worthless to China.

 

[MSalman]

How was it showing hostility to Muslims? The USA had a rather good relationship with the Muslim world until 9/11, and the USA played a significant role in helping the Mujahadeen to victory against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

I don't know how hostility is defined in your dictionary but all we have to do is look at the foreign polices of the USA and west in general to refute your dreamy comment.

1 - Supporting corrupt leaders and regimes
2 - Trying to liberalize Muslim world
3 - Supporting Israel occupation
4 - Aiding in wars to cause disunity among Muslims
5 - Supporting media propaganda against Islam and Muslims

If this is not hostility then I wonder what it is!? And then you people wonder why Muslims hate you

All of this was happening before 9/11; 9/11 was simply an excuse to go out with the full plan. If we open our eyes we can see this but if we want to remain blind and pretend that it is not happening then that is a different story.

It is funny that on one said these kuffaar will bash about bad things in Muslim world but on other side they will support the people who are cause for all of bad things. What an irony!

 

[Italianguy]

I don't know how hostility is defined in your dictionary but all we have to do is look at the foreign polices of the USA and west in general to refute your dreamy comment.

1 - Supporting corrupt leaders and regimes

2 - Trying to liberalize Muslim world
3 - Supporting Israel occupation
4 - Aiding in wars to cause disunity among Muslims
5 - Supporting media propaganda against Islam and Muslims

If this is not hostility then I wonder what it is!? And then you people wonder why Muslims hate you

All of this was happening before 9/11; 9/11 was simply an excuse to go out with the full plan. If we open our eyes we can see this but if we want to remain blind and pretend that it is not happening then that is a different story.

It is funny that on one said these kuffaar will bash about bad things in Muslim world but on other side they will support the people who are cause for all of bad things. What an irony!

1.) they don't start off corrupt
2.)That could be true
3.)Of course
4.)If there is disunity, that is amonst themselves
5.)What media propaganda against Islam? Can you provide a link so i can see?

So, Muslims do hate me, and all of Christianity?? All the Muslims I am friends with say the opposite:hmm:

I don't know how to do the qoute box thing? Sorry for the bad reply

 

[aadil77]

Well, as long as the people torturing Afghanis, stealing from Afghanis, occupying Afghanis, blowing up Afghani civilians and indiscriminantly killing Afghanis are Muslims.

LOL I couldn't have regurgitated that media fed crap better myself

 

[Argamemnon]

5.)What media propaganda against Islam? Can you provide a link so i can see?

All western media is spreading false information about Islam and Muslims. Portraying all Muslims as terrorists and inciting hatred against us etc. Was that question meant as a joke or something?

 

[Lynx]

All western media is spreading false information about Islam and Muslims. Portraying all Muslims as terrorists and inciting hatred against us etc. Was that question meant as a joke or something?

Do you even watch Western media? It does not sound like you do.

LOL I couldn't have regurgitated that media fed crap better myself

Any Afghan living in Afghanistan would testify that the Taliban did/do such things. But Muslims are too self righteous to ever criticize what the Muslim world does IF they have the chance to badmouth the West. It's quite sad.

 

[Argamemnon]

Do you even watch Western media? It does not sound like you do.

Is that another joke? We have a lot of jokers here...

 

[Argamemnon]

@ italianguy

Western media always portrays resistance movements such as Hezbollah as "terrorist" organizations. Could you tell me why your media does that? Do you believe such claims? If your answer is yes, then it means you are brainwashed by western media like most people, it's as simple as that. Why is Hezbollah considered a terrorist organization when they were fighting to end Israeli occupation of south Lebanon - and in 2000 succeeded in doing so? I assume Hezbollah driving Israeli occupying forces out was an act of terrorism? Because according to rogue states such as Israel, the United States, the UK and the Netherlands that was terrorism! How dare we protect our lands, shame on us!!! The sheba farms in Lebanon are still under Israeli occupation. Hezbollah's creation was a direct result of Israel's actions. We must and we will continue with jihad, even if westerners hate it... actually that is a motivating factor..

Peace

 

[Argamemnon]

Any Afghan living in Afghanistan would testify that the Taliban did/do such things.

Muslims know very well who the real enemy is, don't you worry. We know very well what you're doing to our people.

Peace!

 

[Lynx]

Muslims know very well who the real enemy is, don't you worry. We know very well what you're doing to our people.

Peace!

I think people like you are an insult to Muslims suffering in Afghanistan.

 

[MSalman]

Do you even watch Western media? It does not sound like you do.

are you for real? Please tell me you were joking!?

1.) they don't start off corrupt

that is not true; they always pick the people who will serve their agendas.

4.)If there is disunity, that is amonst themselves

correct to a certain extent but Americans always add more fuel and aid the side which will benefit them in their future plans of occupations. Have you watched this?

So, Muslims do hate me, and all of Christianity?? All the Muslims I am friends with say the opposite:hmm:

Not every single non-Muslim is same and addressed in same manner. You are sincere and I personally have lots of respect for people like you and I ask Allah to guide you to Islam, ameen.

As far your question, then generally speaking, yes, we do hate non-Muslims because of their disbelief in Allah, His last Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) and His message. I don't want to go in details on this as it is off topic.

 

[Italianguy]

All western media is spreading false information about Islam and Muslims. Portraying all Muslims as terrorists and inciting hatred against us etc. Was that question meant as a joke or something?

Not a joke at all. But I still haven't seen any media portraying Islam as a hated religion? Like I asked before, do you have a link or article that is circulated around the US that is directly against Muslims?

 

[Italianguy]

are you for real? Please tell me you were joking!?

No ...actually I don't watch too much tv, so maybe i miss some:hmm:. I only watch some Christian channels, and I found a Islamic channel I watched for awhile, A show called "The Deen Show" ....I think thats what it was called? But now I cant find the channel?

that is not true; they always pick the people who will serve their agendas.

I can't say yes or no I'm not there.

correct to a certain extent but Americans always add more fuel and aid the side which will benefit them in their future plans of occupations. Have you watched this?

Yes, i won't say that America doesn't like to play with gas, if you know what I mean.

Not every single non-Muslim is same and addressed in same manner. You are sincere and I personally have lots of respect for people like you and I ask Allah to guide you to Islam, ameen.

Thanks bro!

As far your question, then generally speaking, yes, we do hate non-Muslims because of their disbelief in Allah, His last Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) and His message. I don't want to go in details on this as it is off topic.

Does Islam teach hate of Christians? or non-believers? Just asking

Sorry, i didn't see this response before i replied before. Thanks for the respect

 

[Argamemnon]

I think people like you are an insult to Muslims suffering in Afghanistan.

You are an Islam hater, what are you doing here besides insulting Muslims? Go join some anti-Islam forums....

 

[Argamemnon]

Not a joke at all. But I still haven't seen any media portraying Islam as a hated religion? Like I asked before, do you have a link or article that is circulated around the US that is directly against Muslims?

Sorry I fail to understand what you fail to understand. There is massive anti- Islam propaganda on internet and media in general. I'm totally baffled by your response.

 

[Woodrow]

Sorry I fail to understand what you fail to understand. There is massive anti- Islam propaganda on internet and media in general. I'm totally baffled by your response.

I doubt if a non-Muslim would recognize what we view as anti-Islamic unless we point out specifically what we see as being anti-Islamic.


Prior to the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's those of us in the USA who were not black, did not realize how much we did and said was anti-black. It took education and seeing the pain of black People that we finally gained some insight as to how much pain we were guilty of spreading.

So it is today us Muslims are facing the same issues. We have to first break the stereotypical views and show those are false and from there point out specifically what we find offensive. Some examples being the way the news media handles any crime involving a person with an Arabic Sounding name. The story automatically carries the assumption the person is Muslim and the person is called Muslim, even if it has no bearing to the story or it is even verified the person is Muslim.

Another thing is the news stories about mistreatment of non-Muslims in Islamic Countries, they seldom if ever mention the person committed a crime, which is what brought on the alleged mistreatment.

To get people to understand why we feel maligned in the media, we have to point out specific examples and state why we find it offensive.

 

[Argamemnon]

I doubt if a non-Muslim would recognize what we view as anti-Islamic unless we point out specifically what we see as being anti-Islamic.


Prior to the Civil Rights movements of the 1960's those of us in the USA who were not black, did not realize how much we did and said was anti-black. It took education and seeing the pain of black People that we finally gained some insight as to how much pain we were guilty of spreading.

So it is today us Muslims are facing the same issues. We have to first break the stereotypical views and show those are false and from there point out specifically what we find offensive. Some examples being the way the news media handles any crime involving a person with an Arabic Sounding name. The story automatically carries the assumption the person is Muslim and the person is called Muslim, even if it has no bearing to the story or it is even verified the person is Muslim.

Another thing is the news stories about mistreatment of non-Muslims in Islamic Countries, they seldom if ever mention the person committed a crime, which is what brought on the alleged mistreatment.

To get people to understand why we feel maligned in the media, we have to point out specific examples and state why we find it offensive.

Good points.