Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

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And yes back to Al Jazeerah. What makes you think i believe anything they have to say just because it's from them? I don't know if they are part of the zionist watsy conspiracy and i wouldn't believe them blindly either way. I think they are mistaken and if they are i'm not gonna make their mistakes-or at least i'll try not to. Besides that's the English channel. The arabic hannel is the original so i'd expect it to be more authentic and if it isn't too bad for them, it makes no difference to me i'm not an Al Jazeeraite.

There have i answered ur question?
Yes, thank you. I have another one:

How do you determine whether a news source is believable or not? What exactly is your criteria?

I'm curious because I'd like to know why you trust the sources that claim bin Laden and al-Qaeda are the scapegoats of a massive conspiracy. Why do you believe these sources about bin Laden, but not Al-Jazeera?

(Also, if you know Arabic, then please feel free to find similar articles about bin Laden on their Arabic site. I'm interested to see how much the content differs. I would check, but unfortunately I don't know Arabic.)
 
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Yes, thank you. I have another one:

How do you determine whether a news source is believable or not? What exactly is your criteria?

I'm curious because I'd like to know why you trust the sources that claim bin Laden and al-Qaeda are the scapegoats of a massive conspiracy. Why do you believe these sources about bin Laden, but not Al-Jazeera?

(Also, if you know Arabic, then please feel free to find similar articles about bin Laden on their Arabic site. I'm interested to see how much the content differs. I would check, but unfortunately I don't know Arabic.)

I don't believe any Media at all. News is like putty in their hands. They chip it and mould it into whatever shape they like to make their story and expect us to believe it.

Now i think you've asked enough questions, i'm tired of trying to stress that i won't believe what i haven't got evidence for whoever has said it, my turn to make a request.

Watch this link please and then tell me what you think.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

And don't just ignore it please. Watch it all the way through with an open mind. I read your article.:)
 
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Ayesha,

Your video is one hour and thirty minutes long and I honestly do not have time to watch it in the immediate future. However, it looks like a pretty standard "9/11 truther" video, and I'm already familiar with these claims. (I'm assuming the video basically restates the argument of this organization—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

They've been debunked in a number of places, but here's one you should familiarize yourself with:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

As you can see, a lot of the claims are just illogical, others are based on poor evidence. Again, feel free to let me know if the video covers something not addressed in this website (preferably with a time in the video so I can review it later) and I'll be glad to respond in more detail.

Now, Ayesha, you say you don't believe "any media at all." Does that include the 9/11 truther movement? You seem to believe them. But why? Why do you believe 9/11 truthers, and not Al Jazeera? Again, I'm just confused as to how you decide what to believe and what not to believe, because it seems incredibly inconsistent and arbitrary.

For example, you posted the 9/11 truther video in a thread about bin Laden. The 9/11 truthers claim (quoting from their website, I'm assuming this is restated in the video) that "The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent." Ayesha, why do you believe them, and not the media and state department's assessment of the video? What logic did you use to make this decision?

This is why I have trouble taking conspiracy theorists like yourself seriously. Conspiracy theorists often talk about how we can't trust the media—but then they just blindly trust any source that seems to support their version of the story. You don't apply your skepticism to your own story.

In fact, the entire purpose of your conspiracy theory is not to explain what actually happened on 9/11 with available evidence. You have no idea what happened. You just "know" it couldn't have been bin Laden (because he's a Muslim and Muslims can do no wrong) and that it was a Zionist plot (because the Zionists and the CIA are always scheming behind the scenes to start wars with Muslims). You seem to start from this assumption and work from there, trusting any source that agrees with you and ignoring any source that doesn't. Thus, for you, a random internet video from the 9/11 truth movement is a trustworthy source, while Al Jazeera is part of the Zionist conspiracy.

If you've used another kind of thought process to determine which sources you trust, then please let me know. I'm all ears.
 
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This is what i said:-
......america would loose at least one excuse to kill muslims.
So far all muslim killings revolve around "Osama". You mentioned iraq, it was also attacked because Saddam was allegedly helping al-qaida, again run by osama(as they say). So osama is being used as basis of all killings.


this was not the only proof he might be dead. Search & u'll find documentries mentioning how sick he was long ago with renal failure. I have seen patients with renal failure, they can't live for this much time that too in conditions like of afghanistan, hiding & on the run......
his heart was enlarged
he had diabetes
he had renal problems
& just before 9-11 he was treated at American Military hospital.... amazing.


also look at his videos, person in videos is a fake & doesn't match with real pics of him taken a while back.
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=osama%20dead&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=osama%20fake&hl=en&emb=0
 
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This is what i said:-

So far all muslim killings revolve around "Osama". You mentioned iraq, it was also attacked because Saddam was allegedly helping al-qaida, again run by osama(as they say). So osama is being used as basis of all killings.


this was not the only proof he might be dead. Search & u'll find documentries mentioning how sick he was long ago with renal failure. I have seen patients with renal failure, they can't live for this much time that too in conditions like of afghanistan, hiding & on the run......
his heart was enlarged
he had diabetes
he had renal problems
& just before 9-11 he was treated at American Military hospital.... amazing.


also look at his videos, person in videos is a fake & doesn't match with real pics of him taken a while back.
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?...ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=osama fake&hl=en&emb=0

:sl: sur,

in islam we dont just kill a person because it would be convinient and as you and other say deny an excuse for the kuffar to attack us.

:sl:
 
Re: Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

Why is it that the U.S still hasn't released all the captured footage relating to the 9/11 events? Thats if they haven't destroyed them already.
 
Re: Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

Why is it that the U.S still hasn't released all the captured footage relating to the 9/11 events? Thats if they haven't destroyed them already.

That's an argument they could never win. No matter how much footage is released, or not, there always be claims that some was destroyed, or remains hidden in some secret warehouse (next to Ark of the Covenant, maybe?:D) somewhere, that can never be disproved.. how do you show something doesn't or didn't exist? Such claims are the life-blood of conspiracy theories.
 
Re: Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

Why is it that the U.S still hasn't released all the captured footage relating to the 9/11 events? Thats if they haven't destroyed them already.
Why don't YOU release the 9/11 footage that YOU have?

Obviously, the fact that you are not releasing the footage that you've collected means you are part of a conspiracy to hide the truth about 9/11. And go ahead and try to deny it—that's exactly what a Zionist conspirator would say!
 
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That's an argument they could never win. No matter how much footage is released, or not, there always be claims that some was destroyed, or remains hidden in some secret warehouse (next to Ark of the Covenant, maybe?:D) somewhere, that can never be disproved.. how do you show something doesn't or didn't exist? Such claims are the life-blood of conspiracy theories.

As far as I'm concerned, there were only 2 videos of the of the pentagon explosion that were released, both showing just an explosion. I find it pretty hard that there were only 2 videos out there the whole time.

Why don't YOU release the 9/11 footage that YOU have?

Obviously, the fact that you are not releasing the footage that you've collected means you are part of a conspiracy to hide the truth about 9/11. And go ahead and try to deny it—that's exactly what a Zionist conspirator would say!

Which footage are you referring to?
 
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As far as I'm concerned, there were only 2 videos of the of the pentagon explosion that were released, both showing just an explosion. I find it pretty hard that there were only 2 videos out there the whole time.



Which footage are you referring to?

A-HA! see denial, definately a new world order member here.
 
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Bin Laden: U.S. Decline Fueled Gaza Attack

CBS News: Israel Attacked Because Of America's Fading Dominance, End Of Bush Mandate, Al Qaeda Boss Says

LONDON, Jan. 14, 2009



Al Qaeda boss Osama bin Laden says the decline of America's dominance on the world stage was one of the main factors which prompted Israel to launch its offensive in Gaza.

"The great and swift decline in America's influence is one of the most important motivations for Israelis to wage such a barbaric attack on Gaza, in a bid to try and make use of the last days of (President) Bush's mandate and the neo-conservatives," he says.

The message was delivered in a speech downloaded Wednesday by CBS News from a Web site frequently used to disseminate al Qaeda propaganda. The audio was produced by al Qaeda's media wing, as-Sahab.

It was impossible to confirm the authenticity of the recording, but the voice appeared to be that of the terror group's leader. The audio has not been heard before. The last known audio address from bin Laden was released on May 18, 2008.

The audio, about 22 minutes long, is titled: "A Call for Jihad to Stop the Aggression on Gaza. The message of Sheikh Osama Bin Laden to the Muslim Ummah."

"Israelis are in a rush to get rid of their enemies in Gaza, and replace them with (Palestinian President Mahmoud) Abbas and his administration, in order for him to protect their backs. They thus carried out this horrific butchery before the end of Bush's term in office before the American weakness shows even more."

Its release came on the 19th day of Israel's military campaign in the Gaza Strip targeting Hamas militants, which Palestinian doctors say has left 940 people dead, less than half of whom were combatants.

Bin Laden says Mr. Bush has left President-elect Barack Obama with "two bitter choices," and wonders aloud whether the next American leader will be able to keep up the fight against al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

"Can America keep up the war with us for more decades to come? All reports and analysis indicate that this is not possible. In fact, 75 percent of American people are happy with the departure of the president who got them into wars they could not possibly win."

Bin Laden goes on to say President Bush "drowned" the American people in economic woes and "left his successor a difficult legacy, and left him one of two bitter choices… The worst heritage is when a man inherits a long guerrilla warfare with a persevering, patient enemy - a war that is funded by usury. If he (Obama) withdraws from the war, that would be a military defeat, and if he goes on with it, he'll drown in economic crisis."

The terrorist leader calls for Jihad, saying it is the only way to defeat the "Zionists" and liberate the Gaza Strip.

Bin Laden calls on Muslims worldwide to support the cause, and reissues his plea for donations. "Your duty is to support the Mujahideen with money and men. I have experienced Jihad myself and I know how costly it can be. The Zakat (tithe) of one affluent Muslim merchant is enough to finance all the Jihadi front against our enemies."

Bin Laden said the current global situation offered a good opportunity to purge Muslim countries of Western influence. "Oh, Muslim Ummah (nation), those wars and crisis represent a great opportunity, and wise men would not let it slip away from them. You have a great chance now to overthrow the injustice and the tyranny that has overwhelmed you for decades."

Bin Laden closed his speech by addressing Palestinians in Gaza. "My brothers in Palestine, you have suffered a lot, and your fathers before you, for nine whole decades. Muslims sympathize with you, for what they see and hear. We, the Mujahideen, sympathize with you, too, much more than anyone else… Because the Mujahideen lead the same kind of life that you lead; they are bombed the same way you are bombed, from the same airplanes, they lose their children just like you do."

Also in the address, bin Laden predicts that Mr. Obama will be unable to solve the economic problems facing America.

Quoting Mr. Obama's vice-presidential pick, Joe Biden, bin Laden says, "Here’s Biden, the deputy of the newly elected president, saying: 'The crisis is even worse than we expected, and the entire American economy is in peril.'”

It was the latest attack on Mr. Obama by an al Qaeda figurehead. Bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, accused Mr. Obama of standing behind the "massacre of Gaza" in an audio released earlier this month.

Bin Laden also taunts President Bush over his pledge to abolish terrorism and kill or arrest terrorist leaders - a promise the outgoing American president couldn't keep, according to the al Qaeda chief.

"A group of your sons declared Jihad on that single power, the Hitler of our time," bin Laden said. "We thus broke its horn, struck his fortress and demolished his tower. He thus became enraged and said he would bring the leaders of the Mujahideen, dead or alive, to regain America's stature in the world and set it as an example for everybody."

Source : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4720357.shtml


The problem with this, is that Osama bin Laden is dead, and has been dead since December, 2001.
 
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Which footage are you referring to?
You know perfectly well! The footage that YOU have of George Bush personally blowing up the Twin Towers! The fact that your'e denying it obviously means you're just in on the conspiracy!

PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT!

Wait a minute ... "I heart Bush"? That's your name?

PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY GEORGE W. BUSH!!!
 
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You know perfectly well! The footage that YOU have of George Bush personally blowing up the Twin Towers! The fact that your'e denying it obviously means you're just in on the conspiracy!

PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT!

Wait a minute ... "I heart Bush"? That's your name?

PROVE THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY GEORGE W. BUSH!!!

Xanax?
 
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As if Bush gives 2hoots about "people"

How many people did he massacre In Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine (by sending weapons to israel and giving them the go ahead)?

Didn't you read what Bin Laden said? He said that it was because Bush and America was weak that Israel became aggressive. It isn't because it was Israel was given the go ahead, but because Bush wasn't in a strong enough position to say STOP!.
 
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9/11 was an inside job theres umpty number of documentaries on this and hollywood movies depicting this fact how these inside jobs are carried and what motives are behind them.
I always find such views as the above terribly curious. Bin Laden has on more than one occassion confessed to having planned the attack. And here we see him alluding to it again:


"A group of your sons declared Jihad on that single power, the Hitler of our time," bin Laden said. "We thus broke its horn, struck his fortress and demolished his tower. He thus became enraged and said he would bring the leaders of the Mujahideen, dead or alive, to regain America's stature in the world and set it as an example for everybody."

Source : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4720357.shtml

And yet, there are many who refuse to believe him, and want to believe that it was something that America did to itself. The credulity of such an idea is staggering.
 
Re: Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

This thread has been up for one week. It was originally about Osama Bin Laden and Gaza.

It's mutated into a conspiracy theory thread about 9-11.

I'm locking it.
 
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