Vatican-Saudi talks on churches

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Osman said:
For me, it's a difficult one really. In a true Islamic state (which I admit, Saudi is not), practise of religions other than Islam is not to be done openly.

One might argue that Muslims are allowed to worship openly in Europe. My response to this would be that European countries do claim to offer this freedom in the first place, whereas Islam has never done.

It's difficult because I find it is hard to get some Non-Muslims to understand why this is not hypocritical at all.
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One might argue that Muslims are allowed to worship openly in Europe. My response to this would be that European countries do claim to offer this freedom in the first place, whereas Islam has never done.

That is a good point. I don't see it any different than Vatican City. While Catholics pray in virtually every country, I do not see any big fuss over the fact that you can not build a church,mosque,synagogue,temple of any other denomination in Vatican City.
 
Woodrow said:
That is a good point. I don't see it any different than Vatican City. While Catholics pray in virtually every country, I do not see any big fuss over the fact that you can not build a church,mosque,synagogue,temple of any other denomination in Vatican City.
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Wow, I didn't know that. But I totally agree, it's not like anyone is forcing us to live in a country that doesn't allow us to build a mosque.
 
Woodrow said:
One might argue that Muslims are allowed to worship openly in Europe. My response to this would be that European countries do claim to offer this freedom in the first place, whereas Islam has never done.

That is a good point. I don't see it any different than Vatican City. While Catholics pray in virtually every country, I do not see any big fuss over the fact that you can not build a church,mosque,synagogue,temple of any other denomination in Vatican City.
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Ha and dont you see the difference between the tiny town Vatican and the whole Arabian Peninsula? Christians dont want to have churches in Mecca or Medina. Not to mention that in Rome close to Vatican muslims have built the bigges mosque in Europe worth millions of petrodollars. I know that Islam has never promised us a freedom of worship, but where are those "islamic" states nowadays? Can you name some?
 
Malaikah said:
Why? Tolerance doesn't mean their religion will be respected by the state in the same way Islam is. They have the right to practise in private. That is tolerance, especially when you consider that we could have forced them to denounce their religion and become Muslim.
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This is not how I picture tolerance.
By today's (western) standards Islam is not really tolerant towards other religions.
I kinda gree with AARON'S COMMENT ON THIS ONE:
Im sure that if some european said such things about islam and muslim in our continent, you would call him a rascist bigot . You dont want to give christians in Arabian Peninsula a single church and see it as ok, and when muslims are asked to build bit smaller mosque than the highest buidling in Colonia, it is called a fascism.
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Of course not all muslims are like that, perhaps only a minority is, but it's such views that make it into news.
 
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The FISHMAN EMPIRE will allow people of all religions (exept for weirdy cults like devil-worshipping and scientology etc.) to worship freely. I would ban multinational missionary organisations from building them, but sure, they can worship.

More seriously, Umar refused to pray in the church in Jerusalem (the one with the name that is impossible to pronounce) so that it did not get torn down in the future.
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Fishman said:
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The FISHMAN EMPIRE will allow people of all religions (exept for weirdy cults like devil-worshipping and scientology etc.) to worship freely. I would ban multinational missionary organisations from building them, but sure, they can worship.
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Building what?
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Building what?
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Good to see you again!

I mean building Churches and things. Groups that target people of their own religion would be all right, but I'm rather skeptical of international Christian missionary organisations, to be honest. The big ones that everybody has heard of are probably well-organised and don't engage in unscrupulous activities, but one of the smaller ones even tried to abduct hundreds of Chadian kids and take them to France!
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Fishman said:
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Good to see you again!

I mean building Churches and things. Groups that target people of their own religion would be all right, but I'm rather skeptical of international Christian missionary organisations, to be honest. The big ones that everybody has heard of are probably well-organised and don't engage in unscrupulous activities, but one of the smaller ones even tried to abduct hundreds of Chadian kids and take them to France!
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Good to see you too fella!

Yes, that's cool. Those that target people for the sole purpose of conversion, should be banned. Then that applies to ALL religions.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Good to see you too fella!

Yes, that's cool. Those that target people for the sole purpose of conversion, should be banned. Then that applies to ALL religions.
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But most people would find the very idea of a globe-spanning invincible Fishman Empire morally repungant anyway. Despite the fact that it would be really, really cool...
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Fishman said:
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We need something that eats trolls. Like a kind of super troll that goes to the troll forum and says 'hahahaha! all u trolls r loozers!!!11Oneoneone11!!!11!!11!!'.
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Perhaps, but then we'd get all that tripe about 'Freedon of Speech'

Trolls, sadly are here to stay.
 
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