Vegetarian muslims?

[maryambintjared]

Research has also proved that there is no real alternative for protein than eating meat as it is far superiour than vegitable protein. But as with anything in life one must not eat meat in excess and that can also apply to doing anything in excess.

What do you say about animals who kill other animals in order to eat them. Do you think it is cruel? Did you know that when you kill a plant it actually feels pain but it is just that you cannot hear it scream?

As i have already mentioned a Muslim is perfectly entitled to be a vegitarean as long as they do not think that slaughtering animals for human consumption or eating meat is bad or wrong.

And Allah knows best in all matters

The idea that plants feel pain is a myth, propogated originally by L Ron Hubbard of scientology fame. He was a publicity junky, and would do and say anything to get his face in a newspaper.

The fact is that plants do not have any kind of nervous system, neither central nor diffuse, they have no nerves, no centre of consciousness which could "feel" pain, no brain, no ganglion clusters... and there is no advantage to a plant that feeling pain could confer on them. An animal who feels pain has the option to run away. Why would Allah create an entity that felt pain but could neither flee nor defend itself?

Other than that, I do agree, Allah knows best in all matters. It is obvious that humans can eat meat, and they're at liberty to do so, providing they do so within the boundaries set by Allah. Of course in the West very few people do so, which probably explains why meat is so unhealthy here. However, there is data to suggest that Muslim meat eaters in countries like India are healthier than their Hindu vegetarian neighbours. For example, lower rates of diabetes and obesity. As a veggie I'd like to pretend that's not the case... however, there are the statistics.

In other words, to eat or not eat meat is a personal choice, which we should all make with regards to our conscience, and putting Allah first. To eat or not eat meat doesn't make anyone more or less Holy. But to eat what we are given by the all merciful with joy and respect to Him is a good thing, whatever we eat.

 

[Ubeyde]

Jazakarallah every one for your posts as I was interested in the answer. If I may I would like to ask you that is it permissable for a practicing Muslim to become a vegetarian in order to please Allah (and his parents ) or would it be innovation?

 

[Woodrow]

Jazakarallah every one for your posts as I was interested in the answer. If I may I would like to ask you that is it permissable for a practicing Muslim to become a vegetarian in order to please Allah (and his parents ) or would it be innovation?

We eat halal to please Allaah(swt) it makes no difference if what we eat is meat or vegetable. what matters is it being halal. Halal Vegetarian food and halal meat are both pleasing to Allaah(swt) it seems sort of ungrateful to consider one is more pleasingthan the other. The only way I think you could give up meat and have be a bonafide effort to please Allaah(swt) would be if you are doing it as a partial self fast done of your own free will as a gift. But in that case I suggest you donate to charity the cost of the meat you would have eaten. That would be a true partial fast.

 

[Ramadhan]

Jazakarallah every one for your posts as I was interested in the answer. If I may I would like to ask you that is it permissable for a practicing Muslim to become a vegetarian in order to please Allah (and his parents ) or would it be innovation?

To please Allah would mean following the guidance in Qur'an and sunnah. And when it comes to food, the guidance is to eat halal food from halal source in moderate amount. And as far as I know, Allah SWT in the Qur'an or sunnah from rasulullah SAW do not specify what dietary kinds have more hasanah for us, so to think that one type of dietary is more noble in front of Allah than other types is an incorrect belief. With the exception of what has been made haram, we are free to consume what we choose/prefer and this is a blessings from Allah SWT

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

The idea that plants feel pain is a myth, propogated originally by L Ron Hubbard of scientology fame. He was a publicity junky, and would do and say anything to get his face in a newspaper.

The fact is that plants do not have any kind of nervous system, neither central nor diffuse, they have no nerves, no centre of consciousness which could "feel" pain, no brain, no ganglion clusters... and there is no advantage to a plant that feeling pain could confer on them. An animal who feels pain has the option to run away. Why would Allah create an entity that felt pain but could neither flee nor defend itself?

Other than that, I do agree, Allah knows best in all matters. It is obvious that humans can eat meat, and they're at liberty to do so, providing they do so within the boundaries set by Allah. Of course in the West very few people do so, which probably explains why meat is so unhealthy here. However, there is data to suggest that Muslim meat eaters in countries like India are healthier than their Hindu vegetarian neighbours. For example, lower rates of diabetes and obesity. As a veggie I'd like to pretend that's not the case... however, there are the statistics.

In other words, to eat or not eat meat is a personal choice, which we should all make with regards to our conscience, and putting Allah first. To eat or not eat meat doesn't make anyone more or less Holy. But to eat what we are given by the all merciful with joy and respect to Him is a good thing, whatever we eat.

There is in fact a difference of opinion on this matter amongst scientists so for you to assert that it is a myth is actually incorrect. However i do not want to get into a debate about whether or not plants feel pain or not but there certainly is scope for more scientific research on the matter.

I would also assert that to eat meat is a sunnah as the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) ate meat as he loved Thareed (dried meat in soup) and he also stated that meat is a superiour food but what i would say is that meat was certainly not eaten as often as many of us consume it today because in those days it was only eaten very seldom and usually on special occasions. I would also assert that meat eaters of today would be much healthier if they reduced their current consumption levels particularly of red meat.

The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) also emphasised that we eat certain vegtables and fruits like pomegranates, melon, he also loved pumpkin, cucumber, dates, olives, figs, and many more.

But as i stated in my last post it is perfectly acceptable for a Muslim to be a vegitarean or vegan as long as they do not think that slaughtering animals for consumption is wrong and as long as they do not think bad of those who eat meat. Would they also say that animals who kill other animals to consume are wrong?

If a Muslim was to be a vegitarean then they must still partake in Qurbani every year for Hajj as it is waajid on all of those who can afford it but one can pay to get an animal slaughtered and get it distributed on their behalf. Nowadays one can simply do Qurbani with a click of a mouse button anywhere in the world.


And Allah knows best in all matters

 

[al yunan]

There is in fact a difference of opinion on this matter amongst scientists so for you to assert that it is a myth is actually incorrect. However i do not want to get into a debate about whether or not plants feel pain or not but there certainly is scope for more scientific research on the matter.

Walaikum Salam Hamza,
If I may add to your well phrased post.
In Biology plants are alive, when one plucks one it stops living. Different life form but the cycle is the same. Whether or not they feel does not alter the fact that they live. As for the issue of feeling pain, then one could drug some one, then kill them and say, no it was not murder they felt no pain; ridiculous !
Who is to judge on Allah S.W.T's creations and state which life form is more valuable than another ?
To me in my humble opinion this is Shirk.
Masalam

 

[SAKER]

:uuh:But there is a little problem in Aid al adha for ex according to sunnah we should eat a bit from the dabiha....

They could stop to be vegetarian this day .....

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

:uuh:But there is a little problem in Aid al adha for ex according to sunnah we should eat a bit from the dabiha....

They could stop to be vegetarian this day .....

Asalaamu Alaikum, No one is obliged to eat any meat on that day or any other day of the year. If a person wants to refrain from eating meat then they can do for the rest of their lives as their is no obligation on them to eat meat at all.

And Allah knows best in all matters

 

[sabr*]

The idea that plants feel pain is a myth, propogated originally by L Ron Hubbard of scientology fame. He was a publicity junky, and would do and say anything to get his face in a newspaper.

The fact is that plants do not have any kind of nervous system, neither central nor diffuse, they have no nerves, no centre of consciousness which could "feel" pain, no brain, no ganglion clusters... and there is no advantage to a plant that feeling pain could confer on them. An animal who feels pain has the option to run away. Why would Allah create an entity that felt pain but could neither flee nor defend itself?

Other than that, I do agree, Allah knows best in all matters. It is obvious that humans can eat meat, and they're at liberty to do so, providing they do so within the boundaries set by Allah. Of course in the West very few people do so, which probably explains why meat is so unhealthy here. However, there is data to suggest that Muslim meat eaters in countries like India are healthier than their Hindu vegetarian neighbours. For example, lower rates of diabetes and obesity. As a veggie I'd like to pretend that's not the case... however, there are the statistics.

In other words, to eat or not eat meat is a personal choice, which we should all make with regards to our conscience, and putting Allah first. To eat or not eat meat doesn't make anyone more or less Holy. But to eat what we are given by the all merciful with joy and respect to Him is a good thing, whatever we eat.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhti maryambintjared:

Excellent response. In Islam there has always been extremist attempting to promote a personal view and interpretation. The Islamic history documents the disagreements with the earlier community. This less educated community will fare no better.

People pick and choose what they want. The following hadith will be discounted because it doesn't support a view of gluttony.


Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 320:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet never criticized any food (he was invited to) but he used to eat if he liked the food, and leave it if he disliked.


REREAD! For those intent on imposing what they eat on others!


Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 306:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food), and a kafir (unbeliever) or a hypocrite eats in seven intestines (eats too much)."

 

[sabr*]

:uuh:But there is a little problem in Aid al adha for ex according to sunnah we should eat a bit from the dabiha....

They could stop to be vegetarian this day .....

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

SAKER:

provide the dalil (evidence) that during the slaughtering during Hajj Muslims are ordered to eat the dabiha.

Slaughtering hadyu is mandatory for of the hajj tamattu ' and Qiran. A hadyu is required to fast three days during hajj if they are unable to slaughter. Where is it mandatory to eat the meat in the Sunna and Quran during this slaughtering which is given away in Sadaqah? Not your opinion but dalil (evidence).

Note: Information for the tribal and cultural promoters verses Islam our diet is called Pescetarianism.