Verses Deleted from the Bible !

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NoName55 said:
Muslims: Yes!

People with Muslim sounding arabic names: Who cares? NOT ME!
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Oh the old "All Muslims are good" routine. :skeleton:
Well if all Christians followed the teachings of Christ, the Crusades would have never happened. To bad Christians can't be perfect like Muslims. :D
 
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thirdwatch512 said:
concerning the "gospel"of barnabas -

there are two of them. one, really old gnostic made in the 1st or second century, that calls Jesus Lord, and all of that.

and a second one, found in Spanish and Latin, in the 16th century. no previous documents of it found. it speaks in the style of that time, so it wasn't older. it's like king james version english and modern day.. they are different. the barnabas document had a different style then that of earlier times.

and it's a coincidence that it appeared during the time of the crusades.. hence, it was prolly made in an effort to convert Christians to islam.
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I think the first one you mentioned is not know as a "Gospel" but as the "Letter of Barnabus", though neither were actually written by the Barnabus of the Bible.
 
Muzammil said:
Verses Deleted from the Bible
Please read footnotes in the Bible !!!

Source: http://www.usislam.org/deleted/versesdeleted.htm

I was reading the Holy Bible, Easy-To-Read Version - Matthew 18:10-14. I found that the number of verse 11 existed with no text! The footnote for this verse states that some Greek copies add verse 11: “The Son of Man came to save lost people.” I could not believe it. Some Greek copies add a verse and some don’t. So the Easy-To-Read Version decided against including this verse. Why? Isn’t the Bible the “inspired Word” of God that no verse should be added, removed, or changed?
I started investigating this problem by looking at footnotes! I was shocked that this is a common problem in the 'Word of God'. Many of the following verses also do not exist in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, and New Revised Standard. These verses exist mainly in King James Version. The Text that is added or deleted is italicized.

  • Matthew 17:21 No Text Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting
  • Matthew 18:11 No Text For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost
  • Matthew 23:14 No Text Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater ****ation
  • Mark 7:16 No Text If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
  • Mark 9:44 No Text Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched
  • Mark 9:46 No Text Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched
  • Mark 11:26 No Text But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses
  • Mark 15:28 No Text And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
  • Mark 16:9-20, The short Gospel according to Mark does not include the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, 12 verses. The long Gospel according to Mark includes these 12 verses!!
  • Luke 9:54 Text Addition And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
  • Luke 9:55 Text Addition But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
  • Luke 10:1. “After these things the Lord appointed other seventy” Some Geek versions have the number 70, others have 72
  • Luke 17:36 No Text Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
  • Luke 22:19-20 Some Greek versions do not have the last part of verse 19 and all of 20. This is the part when Jesus said: The bread is my body, and the wine is my blood.
  • Luke 23:17 No Text (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)
  • John 3: 16-21 Some scholars think these are Jesus’ words. Others think John added these verses start with “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
  • John 5:3 Text Addition In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
  • John 5:4 No Text For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had
  • John 7:53 to 8:11. The story of the woman that was caught in Adultery does not exist. Old and best Greek copies do not have these verses?!
  • Acts 8:37 No Text And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
  • Acts 15:34 No Text Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
  • Acts 24:6-8 Some Greek copies add last part of verse 6, verse 7, and first part of verse 8.
  • Acts 28:29 No Text And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Check http://bible.crosswalk.com/
Check http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible

The serious question about the above deleted verses is: Who added them in the beginning? And why? There are big sections that added in Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53 to 8:11. These are clear evidence that the Church has tampered with the New Testament. Are the above verses “inspired corrections,” “inspired additions,” or “inspired deletions.”? You decide!
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Muslim Woman asked a question similar to this in another thread, Post #316, in "Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?". I gave her a rather detailed answer there working through just one verse. While the specifics would not be the same for each of those you list, the general process would be the same. In the process of copying not all the copying was done perfectly. Variations arose. Sometimes those were caught and corrected, sometimes they were themselves copied and perpetuated.

Most changes are truly relatively minor, like spelling "theater" as "theatre". Sometimes a word is accidentally dropped that should have been kept. Sometimes a word is added. Like it might have originally have said "Jesus" in the text and some copyists carelessly goes ahead and writes not "Jesus" but "Jesus Christ". But sometimes they are major such as the one the Muslim Woman asked about. The process of studying these variants is not perfect. But most of them are pretty easy to establish what the original was. The hard ones are those that usually make the least difference in the understanding of the passage. If 1/3 of the copies say "Jesus", and 1/3 of them say "Christ" and 1/3 of them say "Jesus Christ", it can be hard to determine which it was originally. But maybe it doesn't make that big of difference in the long run.

As for the above examples you cite, were they inspired? Even though I'm pretty sure you meant it rhetorically, I want to answer. No. The changes were not inspired. The changes are where human error has indeed effected the text available to us today. Fortunately, we are still able, with a high degree of certainty, to ascertain what the original text was in most cases. If you want to know just how high a degree of certainty, get a copy of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament and learn how to use the critical textual appartus that accompanies it.
 
thirdwatch512 said:
yes. and there's a shia quran with 2 extra surahs. and the quran typically used in tunisia is not the same one that most other muslims use.

we still have what the original manuscripts say. and we still use them. and we know they are authentic, because people from the time of Jesus and shortly after have quoted them! let's take St. Antioch for example.. St. Antioch wrote a lot on Christianity.. all in all, he quoted most verses from the Bible we have now! He was a student of St. John.

please stop opying and pasting articles trying to stir trouble and do some research on the Gospels.

the Bible hasn't been changed like muslims claim. we know this from early Christian Fathers who quoted verses, and we know this from documents that are very early. Such as the Gospel according to St. Matthew and the Gospel according to St. Mark.. they have found bits and pieces of these great Gospels from 67 A.D.!!

now would you like me to quote you some hadith narrated by aisha that says that 2 surahs were lost, and that one surah was supposed to have 200 ayats but only has 75?
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And how are most Muslims claiming that the Bible has been changed?
 
NoName55 said:
ROFL

It is against Islaam to trick Christians [(or any one else) that would be same as telling lies] in to changing their religion

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I just checked anti-Muslim site "answering-islam" and lo and behold! (it is another one of their lies to beat us with)

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In one place that lying site says that Gospel of Barnabas was written by Muslims
and then goes on to contradict itself in another place saying "[SIZE=-1]The Gospel of Barnabas was evidently written by a Christian renegade in the ..... [/SIZE]"

Then goes on to say "He could have been a Spanish convert from Islam forcibly converted at the time of the Inquisition who took private revenge on his persecutors by forging a pro Islamic Gospel.
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you obviously have no knowledge of gnosticism what so ever.

to sum it up: Christianity was at first divided into two main groups.. Orthodox, and Gnostic.

Orthodox still exists. todays Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and all of that. They used the 4 Gospels we have today, the writings we have, and everything. Peter started the Catholic Church. Most early writings of Chrsitianity were from Orthodox writings.. Clement of Alexandria, Antioch, etc.

Then there's Gnostics.. Gnostics are people who made up docuemtns to fit their beliefs. There are dozens upon dozens of Gnostic "Gospels." they are made up. The "gospel" of barnabas is CLEARLY gnostic. and ANYONE who actually looks at history and doesn't just look at a few islamic sites would know that. in early Christian writings, NOT A SINGLE EARLY CHRISTIAN wrote about some "gospel of barnabas." not one! yet EVERY book in the Bible we have now was written about.. EVERY ONE. in fact, EVERY VERSE in the Bible was quoted by the early Church Fathers in the first 2 centuries except 11!

and no "gospel of barnabas" was or anything.

if you were honest to yourself, and actually did some research, you would know that. it doesn't have to just be from anti muslim sites. go to any Christian site, any Secular site, and they will tell you that the "gospel of barnabas" is a made up Gospel.

and you claim that no muslim would lie.. well, it's obviously that not every muslim is alike. people liek you, who actually believe in the "gospel of barnabas" are clear examples of people who lie!
 
@ thirdwatch512

I dare not reply any more since some of your admirers are making threats via private message and repute system and lowering my rep.

This danged place is overrun by kuffaar and fake muslims, illiterate muslims. So kuffar win every arguement whether by copy pasting from anti-Muslim sites or by exploiting those Mozlems who eager to please thus get some kind of validation from the "great White Man" then there are the illiterate brigade who copy paste from likes of islamqa and think they are scholars thus missuse Quraan and Ahaadith to score silly points

:(

I need another week off from this for I am under siege by loonies from all sides.
 
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I dare not reply any more since some of your admirers are making threats via private message
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If that is not total BS, you need to inform the admins.
 
NoName55 said:
@ thirdwatch512

I dare not reply any more since some of your admirers are making threats via private message and repute system and lowering my rep.

This danged place is overrun by kuffaar and fake muslims, illiterate muslims. So kuffar win every arguement whether by copy pasting from anti-Muslim sites or by exploiting those Mozlems who eager to please thus get some kind of validation from the "great White Man" then there are the illiterate brigade who copy paste from likes of islamqa and think they are scholars thus missuse Quraan and Ahaadith to score silly points

:(

I need another week off from this for I am urder siege from both groups
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This guy third watch, has no credibility, none whatsoever, I don't bother read his posts anymore... he could partake of the grim's fairy tales, he makes up long tall tales as he goes along.. just ignore him. whomever gives you a bad repute, give him one in return.. This BS can work both ways..
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