"Views on Atonement for Sin."

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vpb said:
I understand what you believe, bc it's better to think that there is a jackpot for the forgiving of the sins, but in reality this is like the real bingo jackpots, where nobody wins them, it always just goes up and up and people just buy tickets, spend money, and at the end they end up with a 5 pounds of winning. I have said before , bc you have been adapted to the concept of Jesus being God, or the son of God, doesn't let you precieve saying "jesus is god or son of God" as joining partnership. do u see what i'm saying?. so that's why Islam is trying to tell people, that it is a joining of partnership, to clarify things to people.


again, I don't mind if you believe this, it's up to you.
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Except for the Bingo, that is exactly right, and thank you for not minding.:)
 
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That is exactly right, and thank you for not minding.
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I don't have a sword bc I would force you to convert to Islam. :p ;D;D;D

just jokin :p
 
vpb said:
btw, glo, why did u copy my nickname style? why did u make it 3-letter-nickname? instead of 4+ or 3-???

:p
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I hadn't noticed that before.
I don't know ... perhaps it's a case of 'great minds thinking alike'? :D
 
vpb said:
I don't have a sword bc I would force you to convert to Islam. :p ;D;D;D

just jokin :p
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You would turn me into a martyr then. For the Christian to live is Christ and to die is gain.:)
 
Let us now return to the topic. Although we may have exhausted it.

Brief synopsis:

1. Muslims believe sins can only be forgiven by Allah(swt)

2. Christians believe Sins had to be atoned for by a great Sacrifice


No body else mentioned their beliefs to any extent to form a general opinion of any other group.
 
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Let us now return to the topic. Although we may have exhausted it.
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sorry bro for getting off-topic, I just wanted to bring some fresh air from the long discussion on the thread. if you wish you may delete them :)

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MustafaMc said:
Originally Posted by Phil12123
Hmmmm....sounds like this verse, right back at ya. "Never will the Muslims be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: 'The Guidance of God, -that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against God." (The New Revised King Phil Version).
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The difference is that Br. vpb quoted an actual verse of the Quran; whereas, yours was made up to suit your purposes. Perhaps, you were trying to make a joke, but I see it as a metaphorical example of what we claim the Biblical authors and scribes have done.
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Well, of course it was a joke --- "The New Revised King Phil Version"!! That's hilarious. But what it says is just as true from the Christian standpoint as your verse from the Quran. "Never will the Muslims be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion." Is that not true?
 
Well, of course it was a joke --- "The New Revised King Phil Version"!! That's hilarious. But what it says is just as true from the Christian standpoint as your verse from the Quran. "Never will the Muslims be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion." Is that not true?
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is there such a verse in the bible? the difference is that the Qur'an is directing specifically to christians and jews, whereas if bible has a vese similar to that, is not addressing to muslims. So Allah is explicitely saying that Chrisitans and Jews will never be .......
 
Woodrow said:
Let us now return to the topic. Although we may have exhausted it.

Brief synopsis:

1. Muslims believe sins can only be forgiven by Allah(swt)

2. Christians believe Sins had to be atoned for by a great Sacrifice


No body else mentioned their beliefs to any extent to form a general opinion of any other group.
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3:133-135 Rush towards the forgiveness from your Rabb to a Paradise as vast as the Heavens and the earth which is prepared for the righteous people; they are those who spend generously in the way of Allah, whether they are in prosperity or in adversity, who control their anger and forgive other people for Allah loves such charitable people, who, if they commit an indecency or wrong their own souls, earnestly remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins; for no one can forgive sins except Allah, and those who do not knowingly persist in something wrong which they have done.

39:53-54 Allah says: "O My servants who have transgressed against their souls, do not despair of Allah's mercy, for Allah forgives all sins. It is He Who is the Forgiving, the Merciful. Turn in repentance to your Rabb, and submit to Him before there comes to you the scourge: for then, there shall be none to help you.

Hadith teaches that performance of prayer is an expiation, or atonement, for sin.

Muslim hadith 99 Narrated Uthman ibn Affan: I heard Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) say: When the time for a prescribed prayer comes, if any Muslim performs ablution well and offers his prayer) with humility and bowing, it will be an expiation for his past sins, so long as he has not committed a major sin; and this applies to for all times.

Also, when one is punished in this life for a sin then the punishment is an expiation for that specific sin.

Bukhari hadith 6:417 - Narrated Ubada bin As Samit: While we were with the Prophet, he said, "Will you swear to me the pledge of allegiance that you will not worship any thing besides Allah, will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, and will not steal?" Then he recited the Verse concerning the women. (Sufyan, the subnarrator, often said that the Prophet added, "Whoever among you fulfills his pledge, will receive his reward from Allah, and whoever commits any of those sins and receives the legal punishment (in this life), his punishment will be an expiation for that sin; and whoever commits any of those sins and Allah screens him, then it is up to Allah to punish or forgive them.")
 
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Thanks for adding in much needed clarification.
 
vpb said:
wow, is it possible that it is a sign that trinity exists? :p
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Well, to be honest with you I don't think I prefer to use the word trinity, because it is not used in the Bible; in fact, not even Paul mentions it.
 
Well, to be honest with you I don't think I prefer to use the word trinity, because it is not used in the Bible; in fact, not even Paul mentions it.
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Paul seems to be the most important figure in the bible eh??
 

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