Views on Hinduism!

[powerofdharma]

"I recommend you study Islam, in Islam God is All-Powerful and independent of everything."

I have studied Islam and I've read the Quran. In fact, the religion does not appeal to me much. I feel that somewhat it lacks spirituality and the real essence of God is not conveyed[no offence meant].. Power does not fascinate me much. Because the world can be won by love and not power.

"If there's no benefit in praying and it's useless, why pray then?"

This is materialistic and selfish thinking. A mother loves her child not because she gets some benefit from that. This is the mother's devotion towards her child (according to hinduism). Love is unconditional, selfless and way above all materialistic pleasures. This differentiates spirituality from materialism.

"If humans come before God, I suppose He isn't that important then? And according to Hinduism because a person is God's creation, he is also the creator (as they aren't different things)? So people are god?"

He is important. To understand God, you have to experience Him. The term God is very relative. In Hinduism, he is more like a symbol of love. All people are NOT God. Basically, parents and teachers should be 'REGARDED' as God.

"Why even believe in God then?"

Because we know that he exists and He loves us.


"Shouldn't Hindus then tell those higher devotees to tell God to remove poverty from the world? That is if God hears and obeys them."

It depends on the poor's karma.


"That means God is in creator also as he is omnipresent. Does this mean God is created? By who?"

He has no beginning and no end. He is eternal and everlasting. So are the souls of living beings.


"If two people perceive the power differently, then the power wouldn't be the same for everyone. Right? "

If you think spiritually, you will get the answer.

"Is god stupid, does bad deeds and isn't devoted in Hinduism and so you follow wiser men?"

Which bad deeds are you referring to? Our God is devoted out of love and not fear. This is pure devotion. According to your statement, Gods which send people who don't believe in them to hell fire are stupider.
Yes, we follow wiser men because they are the path to God.

"Who decreed or made the soul to be immortal?"
God

 

[cuezed]

seems like there aint any god in hinduism. or hinduism has lowered the status of god equally to the humans or worse idols. logically it dont make sense. i know many hindus who dont even know whether they are hindu and sikh. many hindus in india dont even follow hinduism.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Peace of greetings to you Powerofdharma

lol its funny how everyone so calledly comes in peace, and then we all end up in having debates like we are enemies and then begin to mock and then we say "no offence" when you have clearly mocked the opposite, the nature of a human i guess :-\ subhaan`Allaah

"I have studied Islam and I've read the Quran. In fact, the religion does not appeal to me much. I feel that somewhat it lacks spirituality and the real essence of God is not conveyed[no offence meant].. Power does not fascinate me much. Because the world can be won by love and not power.

Yes i agree things can be won by love and not power and not necessarily the world as you put it. However, the world is run by power realise it or not, if one didnt have power ,lets say physically how could we defend ourself from the enemy who tries to harm us? keep in mind i am not speaking of the power such as the "money" kind of power!. Do you know God has power? All powerful allmighty is the one who created the world, he is powerful and all knowing.

"This is materialistic and selfish thinking. A mother loves her child not because she gets some benefit from that. This is the mother's devotion towards her child (according to hinduism). Love is unconditional, selfless and way above all materialistic pleasures. This differentiates spirituality from materialism.

The sister asked regarding prayer not regarding the love of the mother and her child. It is about the lord who created the mother, the qualities of a mother,about who gave her such qualities, the creator of those qualities, no doubt they are wonderful qualities. It is about whether we thank him,how we thank him etc, worshipping him as he prescribed in his scriptures.

"He is important. To understand God, you have to experience Him. The term God is very relative. In Hinduism, he is more like a symbol of love. All people are NOT God. Basically, parents and teachers should be 'REGARDED' as God.

So accordingly there is clearly more than one God? God lives on earth? It does not suit the status of God to enter his creation. That is one of the differences between your faith and the muslim faith, God doesnt enter creation as he is powerful enough to do things without entering his creation, God allmighty can send messengers/prophets, but he most certainly does not need to enter his creation.

"Because we know that he exists and He loves us.

Do you have any proof from your holy book that declares that Hinduism is the truth? Does Hinduism teach that God needs to enter his creation? Does he love you no matter what you do on this earth?, is God in Hinduism the God of justice?

"He has no beginning and no end. He is eternal and everlasting. So are the souls of living beings.

You are correct in that statement there,i agree. but the souls and living beings do have a destination, right?

"Which bad deeds are you referring to? Our God is devoted out of love and not fear. This is pure devotion. According to your statement, Gods which send people who don't believe in them to hell fire are stupider.
Yes, we follow wiser men because they are the path to God.

You are indeed incorrect, it is a failure of understanding Logic. In Islaam God allmighty commands us to do things that benefit one,such as things that are harmful to us we stay away from them and that which is good for us we do that. lets say someone murdered another person , are you saying he shouldnt be punished? because that is what you are saying whether you realise it or not.
because if you look at it from the worlds point of view ofcourse he will be punished according to the law of the government, for stealing,killing etc the government provides some sort of punishment. In the same way in the court of God there is some sort of punishment. God is all justified he knows the amount of punishment one needs he will punish them as they were wrong to do the crime they commited, and forgives those who he wills, as he is aware of the hearts of people. So logically no the law of punishment isnt "stupid" but the law that doesnt provide a punishment is stupid, because it allows people to freely go commit crimes, and think what they did isnt wrong, there is no justice in that case. This is also not a wise act. firstly you must understand the law of punishment, i hope i did make sense insha`Allaah, if not please ask.


peace

 

[Predator]

seems like there aint any god in hinduism. or hinduism has lowered the status of god equally to the humans or worse idols. logically it dont make sense. i know many hindus who dont even know whether they are hindu and sikh. many hindus in india dont even follow hinduism.

INTRODUCTION OF HINDUISM

1. Definition of a Hindu

a. The word ‘Hindu’ has geographical significance and was used originally to refer to those people who lived beyond the river Sindhu or the region watered by the river Indus.

b. Historians say that it was first used by the Persians who came to India through the North Western passes of the Himalayas. The word ‘Hindu’ was also used by the Arabs.

c. This word ‘Hindu’ is nowhere mentioned in Indian Literature or Hindu Scriptures before the advent of Muslims to India, according to the Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics (6:690)

d. Jawaharlal Nehru, in his book ‘Discovery of India’, writes on pg. 74-75, that the earliest reference to the word ‘Hindu’ can be traced to a tantrik of the 8th Century C.E., where it means a people and not a follower of a particular religion. The use of the word ‘Hindu’ in connection with a particular religion is of late occurrence.

e. In short the word ‘Hindu’ is a geographical definition or term which is used to refer to people who live beyond the river Indus or in other words to those who live in India.

2. Definition of Hinduism

a. Hinduism has been derived from the word Hindu. According to the New Encyclopedia Britannica 20:581, Hinduism was a name given in English language in the Nineteenth Century by the English people to the multiplicity of the beliefs and faiths of the people of the Indus land. The British writers in 1830 gave the word Hinduism to be used as the common name for all the beliefs of the people of India excluding the Muslims and converted Christians.

 

[Predator]

All the below quoted verses and passages from Hindu Scriptures clearly amplify the Oneness and Uniqueness of Almighty God, the Creator of all. Furthermore, they negate the existence of any other deity besides the One True God. These verses essentially propound monotheism and also prohibit idol worship


“He is one only without a second.”
(Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1)

“Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord.”
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 6:9)


“There is no likeness of Him”.
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 4:19)


“There is no image of Him”
Yajurveda 32:3

“He is bodiless and pure”.
(Yajurveda 40:8)

“They sink deeper in darkness those who worship created things”
E.g. created things such as table, chair, idols, etc.
(Yajurveda 40:10)


“Do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One, Praise Him alone”
(Rigveda 8:1:1)

 

[Insecured soul]

Another thing I would like to point out is that idol worship is not compulsory in Hinduism. In-order to love our God, we try to personify him with the help of idols. By doing this we express our love.

so much of love in your religion i see, like christianity (everywhere in churches they write jesus loves you) even we have that, allah loves me and you too even though u dont beleive in him yet you are one of his creation but he loves more who believe in him and worship him alone, every ayah starts with in the name of allah the most merciful but at the same the time he is sever in punishment, this is the balance in the universe which holds everything together and this is the balance on which the day of judgement will be established, not a single soul will be wronged but will be paid according to his deeds (good or bad).

i find all these 'only loving' concepts to be man made and only quran to be god 'made'.

I strongly recommend that you should not analyse Hinduism through Dr Zakir Naik's commentaries. He has quoted so many thing from Hindu scriptures which do not exist or make sense. If you check on youtube videos, he has been declared kafir by several muslim organisations for supporting terrorism in one of his videos.

just by you calling him terrorist doesnt mean he is a terrorist but the real terrorists are united states and isreal and whoever oppresses muslims "wrongly'

1. Every molecule in the cosmos experiences the divine love of God and his devotee.
2. The soul united with the God. - Divine Love. Generations are eager to witness this union.
3. The God acts like a slave of his devotees - unconditional eternal love.
4. If God is the lotus then the devotee is its fragrance. Ie: Both depend on each other. Neither can exist without the other.

mere philosophies.......


well, best of luck....

may allah guide you to the truth insha allah

 

[M.I.A.]

i have read much of what you have posted, i have made a number of comparisons to islam and i could truely believe that hinduism was sent by the same god that sent islam to the world.

unfortunately it suffers from the same problem that everything else does, the people that follow the religion.. of those hindus that you know how many have given up the ego?

i am very suprised you did not see the similarities in faith.

love is unconditional, your mother would gladly do for you more than any other in this world..including things that are not benificial to her, karma is rectified in this world and the next.. but anything that is not of benifit to her is not the result of karma but rather a love for you.
maybe i misunderstand what karma is or what love is.. and what aspects of life it governs...or what governs karma.

if karma is set as a law like gravity it would be present in other religions.

i think love is subjective in definition and action.
i think loving those who love you or that appeal to you is the definition of love.
i think to take a hit for the sake of understanding is love.

anyway i dont know much about hinduism so i hope you stick around to give some firsthand insight into your beliefs and aid understanding between yourself and the muslims and christians on this board.

 

[Salafi1407]

i await your answers to my questions/comments or are u going to avoid them?

 

[Asiyah3]

Peace,

"I recommend you study Islam, in Islam God is All-Powerful and independent of everything."

I have studied Islam and I've read the Quran. In fact, the religion does not appeal to me much. I feel that somewhat it lacks spirituality and the real essence of God is not conveyed[no offence meant].. Power does not fascinate me much. Because the world can be won by love and not power.

God is Kind, Loving and Powerful. How can He who created this vast universe and everything it contains be weak? God is Kind, Loving and Powerful.

"If there's no benefit in praying and it's useless, why pray then?"

This is materialistic and selfish thinking. A mother loves her child not because she gets some benefit from that. This is the mother's devotion towards her child (according to hinduism). Love is unconditional, selfless and way above all materialistic pleasures. This differentiates spirituality from materialism.

I didn't mean materialistic benefit. God is All-Wise. If He tells us to pray, there must be a wisdom behind that. God doesn't just tell us to do this and that without knowledge. Why would he tell us to pray if it's useless and has no point in it? God created us and He knows what is best for us.

"If humans come before God, I suppose He isn't that important then? And according to Hinduism because a person is God's creation, he is also the creator (as they aren't different things)? So people are god?"

He is important. To understand God, you have to experience Him. The term God is very relative. In Hinduism, he is more like a symbol of love. All people are NOT God. Basically, parents and teachers should be 'REGARDED' as God.

How can you regard parents and teachers as GOD? You can and should love, respect and be grateful to your parents. But to regard them as God... ... Glory be to the one, who blessed us with parents and teachers.

"Why even believe in God then?"

Because we know that he exists and He loves us.

We should also love God and show our love in our actions. Not only say we love God, yet disobey Him. It's like a husband telling his wife he loves her, yet physically abuses her.

"Shouldn't Hindus then tell those higher devotees to tell God to remove poverty from the world? That is if God hears and obeys them."

It depends on the poor's karma.

This means if God, may He be Exalted and glorified, intends the poor harm, they cannot remove His harm or if God intends him mercy, they cannot withhold His mercy and that if God wills to punish someone, they can't control it. Right?

For those who put their trust in Allah, He is sufficient for them.

"That means God is in creator also as he is omnipresent. Does this mean God is created? By who?"

He has no beginning and no end. He is eternal and everlasting. So are the souls of living beings.

If us or our souls wouldn't exist, God wouldn't exist? This kinda lowers god and his ability. But when I look around me, I see a very Wise and Powerful Creator.

"If two people perceive the power differently, then the power wouldn't be the same for everyone. Right? "

If you think spiritually, you will get the answer.

*thinks, thinks, it still doesn't make sense*

"Is god stupid, does bad deeds and isn't devoted in Hinduism and so you follow wiser men?"

Which bad deeds are you referring to? Our God is devoted out of love and not fear. This is pure devotion. According to your statement, Gods which send people who don't believe in them to hell fire are stupider.
Yes, we follow wiser men because they are the path to God.

You said (something along the lines of) you follow wiser men who have reached higher status than God via their devotion, wisdom and good deeds. This makes it sound like god isn't (or as much) wise, devoted and having good deeds as them.

"Who decreed or made the soul to be immortal?"
God

Then why not worship Him alone?

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

"Sri Krishna said: As a human being puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones."
For instance, being disabled reminds you that it is result of your own karma or deed. It makes perform good actions.

We merge into God when our soul becomes pure. As a devotee prays to his God, the God in turn prays to his devotee. This is the relationship of god and devotee in hinduism. Both depend on each other and love each other.

ooooooops..what??...

(i havent heard/read such ,, anywher,,, in any of the relegions' around)

 

[powerofdharma]

seems like there aint any god in hinduism. or hinduism has lowered the status of god equally to the humans or worse idols. logically it dont make sense. i know many hindus who dont even know whether they are hindu and sikh. many hindus in india dont even follow hinduism.

God in Hinduism is described by the sages as 'the cause of all causes'. He represents the past, present and the future. He presides over time. He is all powerful, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He can only be won by bhakti(pure selfless devotion - form of pure love).. Status of pure devotees is considered to be higher than God. Because God wouldnt be God without the devotees. He would just be a supernatural power.

 

[powerofdharma]

1. Definition of a Hindu

a. The word ‘Hindu’ has geographical significance and was used originally to refer to those people who lived beyond the river Sindhu or the region watered by the river Indus.

This is true. Hinduism has never been a religion but a tradition or a way of life followed by the people who lived beyond the river Sindhu.


b. Historians say that it was first used by the Persians who came to India through the North Western passes of the Himalayas. The word ‘Hindu’ was also used by the Arabs.

This theory was there till a few years ago but now has been rejected world over.

c. This word ‘Hindu’ is nowhere mentioned in Indian Literature or Hindu Scriptures before the advent of Muslims to India, according to the Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics (6:690)

True.

d. Jawaharlal Nehru, in his book ‘Discovery of India’, writes on pg. 74-75, that the earliest reference to the word ‘Hindu’ can be traced to a tantrik of the 8th Century C.E., where it means a people and not a follower of a particular religion. The use of the word ‘Hindu’ in connection with a particular religion is of late occurrence.

Very True. We don't follow a particular book. We act on moral values taught to us by our great saints.

e. In short the word ‘Hindu’ is a geographical definition or term which is used to refer to people who live beyond the river Indus or in other words to those who live in India.

yeah!

2. Definition of Hinduism

a. Hinduism has been derived from the word Hindu. According to the New Encyclopedia Britannica 20:581, Hinduism was a name given in English language in the Nineteenth Century by the English people to the multiplicity of the beliefs and faiths of the people of the Indus land. The British writers in 1830 gave the word Hinduism to be used as the common name for all the beliefs of the people of India excluding the Muslims and converted Christians.[/QUOTE]

cool!

 

[powerofdharma]

All the below quoted verses and passages from Hindu Scriptures clearly amplify the Oneness and Uniqueness of Almighty God, the Creator of all. Furthermore, they negate the existence of any other deity besides the One True God. These verses essentially propound monotheism and also prohibit idol worship


“He is one only without a second.”
(Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1)

“Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord.”
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 6:9)


“There is no likeness of Him”.
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 4:19)


“There is no image of Him”
Yajurveda 32:3

“He is bodiless and pure”.
(Yajurveda 40:8)

“They sink deeper in darkness those who worship created things”
E.g. created things such as table, chair, idols, etc.
(Yajurveda 40:10)


“Do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One, Praise Him alone”
(Rigveda 8:1:1)

These our only one of the scriptures while we follow many! These are perspectives which keep changing with time.

 

[powerofdharma]

so much of love in your religion i see, like christianity (everywhere in churches they write jesus loves you) even we have that, allah loves me and you too even though u dont beleive in him yet you are one of his creation but he loves more who believe in him and worship him alone, every ayah starts with in the name of allah the most merciful but at the same the time he is sever in punishment, this is the balance in the universe which holds everything together and this is the balance on which the day of judgement will be established, not a single soul will be wronged but will be paid according to his deeds (good or bad).

i find all these 'only loving' concepts to be man made and only quran to be god 'made'.



just by you calling him terrorist doesnt mean he is a terrorist but the real terrorists are united states and isreal and whoever oppresses muslims "wrongly'

mere philosophies.......


well, best of luck....

may allah guide you to the truth insha allah

If u have doubts with that calling him a terrorist then I can see that you live in a nutshell. thats soo stupid..

 

[powerofdharma]

"God is Kind, Loving and Powerful. How can He who created this vast universe and everything it contains be weak? God is Kind, Loving and Powerful."

No where did I say He is weak.

"I didn't mean materialistic benefit. God is All-Wise. If He tells us to pray, there must be a wisdom behind that. God doesn't just tell us to do this and that without knowledge. Why would he tell us to pray if it's useless and has no point in it? God created us and He knows what is best for us."

It is selfless devotion which leads to liberation.

"How can you regard parents and teachers as GOD? You can and should love, respect and be grateful to your parents. But to regard them as God... ... Glory be to the one, who blessed us with parents and teachers."

In Hinduism, we believe that teachers are the path to God. If there weren't any learned teachers.. then we would never have known about God. God in Hinduism takes blessings from learned saints.


"We should also love God and show our love in our actions. Not only say we love God, yet disobey Him. It's like a husband telling his wife he loves her, yet physically abuses her."

Divine love doesnot have an element of physicality.


"This means if God, may He be Exalted and glorified, intends the poor harm, they cannot remove His harm or if God intends him mercy, they cannot withhold His mercy and that if God wills to punish someone, they can't control it. Right? "

God in Hinduism doesnot distinguish btw the rich and the poor. If the poor deserves prosperity, he will definitely get it. It depends on his deeds.

 

[powerofdharma]

ooooooops..what??...

(i havent heard/read such ,, anywher,,, in any of the relegions' around)

It is divine love. Thats why Hinduism has been formed by wise men!

 

[powerofdharma]

i await your answers to my questions/comments or are u going to avoid them?

Which question?

 

[CosmicPathos]

The lying nature of powerofdharma became clear when he lied about the caste system. He said that the caste system is purely cultural!

It should be the known that there is no hard and fast distinction between the sacred and the cultural in India and Hinduism.

The caste system had basis in Hindu scriptures. I remember reading that Shudras, the lowest of castes and filthiest of people, were born from the feet of God. Hence they were supposed to not live in cities but in suburbs and were required to do menial tasks by the upper most case, the Brahmans. Furthermore the scriptures said that if a Shoodar heared the words of Veda being recited, molten lead would have to be into his/her ears for hearing the pure word of a "loving God."

 

[powerofdharma]

The lying nature of powerofdharma became clear when he lied about the caste system. He said that the caste system is purely cultural!

It should be the known that there is no hard and fast distinction between the sacred and the cultural in India and Hinduism.

The caste system had basis in Hindu scriptures. I remember reading that Shudras, the lowest of castes and filthiest of people, were born from the feet of God. Hence they were supposed to not live in cities but in suburbs and were required to do menial tasks by the upper most case, the Brahmans. Furthermore the scriptures said that if a Shoodar heared the words of Veda being recited, molten lead would have to be into his/her ears for hearing the pure word of a "loving God."

Dude I guess you shouldnt comment if you dont have full knowledge of our scriptures. Our scriptures never asked us to practice the so called caste system. In ancient India the society was classified into 4 types - Brahmans(Teachers, Saints, Priests), Kshatriyas(Kings), Vaishyas(Traders) and Shudras(Labourers).

In the Bhagwat Gita, Lord Shri Krishna says:

"The fourfold caste has been created by Me
according to the differentiation of Guna(capability) and Karma(deeds);"

So if a Shudra (labourer) is qualified to work as a Priest then he will become a Brahman. So it depends on you. For instance if a person is not qualified to be a doctor, he cant be called a doctor. its as simple as that.

For your kind information, Lord Krishna(Supreme Personality of Godhead) was Himself brought up in a Vaishya(Low Caste) family.
VedVyas who wrote the Mahabharata and the Vedas was a Shudra.

Many centuries later, the caste system was an evil by some socities in India. Just for having top control, some kings and priests declared that caste system was by birth and not by deed.

 

[Perseveranze]

It is divine love. Thats why Hinduism has been formed by wise men!

Peace,

So you believe it is a man-made religion?