Views on Transgender People

[cooterhein]

I know you weren't asking me but I thought you had an interesting question. Especially when you ask about how it should be enforced in a secular society. As muslims, we can't impose Islamic laws in non-Islamic societies. I personally feel disgusted but at the same time ,saddened by trans people who have gone full on through the operation. In fact, I mainly feel terribly sad for those unfortunate souls. Having said that, theres nothing I or anyone else can do.

Thank you very much for responding, I appreciate it.

 

[Scimitar]

The status of sex-change operations in Divine Law, looks a bit ambiguous:

The Ottoman court harem—within the Topkapı Palace (1465–1853) and later the Dolmabahçe Palace (1853–1909) in Istanbul—was under the administration of the eunuchs.

If the Ottoman Sultan-Khalif himself did not see any problem in employing sex-changed men as security guards for his palace, he must obviously not have found it a particularly haraam practice. Furthermore, everybody must have known about it. It could impossibly have been a secret. I could also not find any historical reference to Ottoman mufti or ulema decrying this practice as impermissible. Jews and Christians were clearly allowed to do it, and it was clearly allowed to employ them. I would understand that the Sunni ulema would prefer to disapprove of the practice. There is certainly no obligation to approve of it. Vehemently repudiating the position of the Iranian clergy, however, looks like a stretch. Their point of view is not completely out of the blue ...

It's not so much "seeing nothing wrong with it" but more pragmatism... a man without balls cannot leave a legacy - and therefore, cannot be a threat.

You should learn history... from the masters, and not the establishment.

Scimi

 

[ruglifeTX]

Why do so many Muslims condemn trans people?

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Here is a better question to ask yourself.

Have you learned juz Amma? Can you recite it by heart? Do you keep salat? Have you found your connection with Allah 5 times a day. Make supplication for the struggles you have or the things that challenge life? Until you have gotten that part of our your life in islam down people's opinions, stances and all those things that aren't part of the basic premise of Islam and practice none of that other stuff matters. No one is perfect and everyone has their struggles. Whether they be their own issue or and issue with someone's opinion.

All you need to worry about is your practice right now. You need to worry about reciting Quran , prayer, learning , embracing everything Allah has for you.

I have my opinion on your actual question but it doesn't matter what my personal views are on your personal life . What matters is your path with Allah And that is what I should be worried about for you.


لَا يُؤْمِنُ أَحَدُكُمْ حَتَّى يُحِبَّ لِأَخِيهِ أَوْ قَالَ لِجَارِهِ مَا يُحِبُّ لِنَفْسِهِ

None of you has faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 13,

 

[xboxisdead]

It's not so much "seeing nothing wrong with it" but more pragmatism... a man without balls cannot leave a legacy - and therefore, cannot be a threat.

You should learn history... from the masters, and not the establishment.

Scimi

But don't you agree forceably castrating men and especially little boys as major crime. You deprived that innocent child from growing up to be a man and having his own legacy.

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['Abd-al Latif]

Why do so many Muslims condemn trans people? Let me explain a little bit.

The Quran talles about the two sexes, male and female. Sex, as contrary to many believe, have nothing to do with gender. Gender is a social construct that gives us a means to identify ourselves (whether we identify as man, woman, non-binary, gender nonconforming, agender, bigender, trigender, pangender, demigemder, amd all the other identities).

Sex on the other hand refers to genitalia and gonads: meaning a penis, testes, vulva, ovaries. Now I have to ask the question of, why does it matter if your gender identity "aligns" with your sex? Why does it matter what gender someone identifies as?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Quran repeatedly talks about two sexes, but NOT about gender. From this you can take a stance that it doesn't matter about identity, so long as you don't change your genitalia. Yet if you do this, you have to reconcile with the fact that Iran, a country with Islam as the national religion, conducts the second most amount of sex reassignment surgeries out of all known countries (mainly because they see it as a cure for being gay).

This all brings me back to my original question of why do so many Muslims condemn gender minorities? Is there some part of the Holy Quran that talks about gender identities that I missed?

I support gender minorities, and I can't quite understand why others don't. Hope the rant wasn't too long for some of you.

I'm not even sure where to begin answering this question. In short, the Qur'an talks about male and female as these are referred to as gender. There isn't a need to specifically mention the word gender to mean male and female for it to be understood that there are only two genders because in the Arabic language this is obvious and clear. The Arabic language is very logical, mathematical, and succinct and this is why the Qur'an doesn't need to be overly specific such as specifying the definition of gender or stating the word gender to mean male and female only. It's already understood through the language that male and female are the only two genders that Allah created.

 

[Scimitar]

But don't you agree forceably castrating men and especially little boys as major crime. You deprived that innocent child from growing up to be a man and having his own legacy.

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I disagree with castration full stop! I haven't deprived any child anything Not sure why you are attempting to put me on that back foot, maybe because the point of my post went over your head?

I'll reiterate it in two words: Learn History!

 

[Futuwwa]

Thread necromancy! What is dead may never die! Screeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[Scimitar]

Thread necromancy! What is dead may never die! Screeeeeeeeeeeeee!

lol, keeps things tidy at least, no?

 

[xboxisdead]

Thread necromancy! What is dead may never die! Screeeeeeeeeeeeee!

LOOL!!! ;D;D;D:haha::haha::haha: I like you Futuwwa!! AHAHA

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I disagree with castration full stop! I haven't deprived any child anything Not sure why you are attempting to put me on that back foot, maybe because the point of my post went over your head?

I'll reiterate it in two words: Learn History!

I am so happy to hear it! I disagree with castration full stop also!! I was watching in these korean movies that talk about the prince and all that (history movies) and how they tie a boy of age 10 or so...in a chair and get a sword and castrate him to be an enuch and how he screams in pain and many die out of it. I am like...damn...this is a monster! Abuse! Evil at highest level. :facepalm::facepalm: Of course there was no rally...nothing about this abuse...nope. Nothing like that.

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[Scimitar]

I am so happy to hear it! I disagree with castration full stop also!! I was watching in these korean movies that talk about the prince and all that (history movies) and how they tie a boy of age 10 or so...in a chair and get a sword and castrate him to be an enuch and how he screams in pain and many die out of it...

No need to look as far as Korea, The Ottomans had Janissaries (look it up) - as if that wasn't bad enough, the Ottomans castrated them too!

 

[happymuslim]

If u still are female, then know that changing gender is a major sin afaik.

It comes under the heading of changing the creation of Allah - outwardly but not truly.

And Allah :swt: knows best.

Exactly And trannies are literally self delusional individuals who suffer from gender dysphasia. They are encouraged by society to act on mentally driven whims and desires. If trannies were really only considered about gender they wouldn’t try changing their private parts.

 

[xboxisdead]

No need to look as far as Korea, The Ottomans had Janissaries (look it up) - as if that wasn't bad enough, the Ottomans castrated them too!

Here is what I have to say to anyone who castrate boys and forceably castrate innocent men, may Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) give that person the severest punishment in the dunaya and afterlife, ameen. Isn't if you kill someone it is like you killed all humanity and if you saved someone you saved all humanity? Because through that person millions and billions of people will come. That is exactly the same if you castrate someone. Except the person is alive but you killed his ability to bring forth new life to this world. Castration should be left for the criminals (adults) who deserve this. Not for innocent children and innocent men to fulfill your whim of power and pretty much control. Fear that man have his legacy? Fear it! It is his right to have his legacy. It is the right of a child to grow masculine and have masculine attribute and become strong, and confident and become a man and grow beard and have his legacy. It is not the right of anyone to take this away from him. This is disgusting. I truly hate what Ottomans did!!

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[anatolian]

No need to look as far as Korea, The Ottomans had Janissaries (look it up) - as if that wasn't bad enough, the Ottomans castrated them too!

This made me laugh out loud. LOL. I cannot imagine some castrated feminen soldiers with fancy mustaches trying to conquer Istanbul or at the gates of Vienna.

You absolutely confused the harem boys with the Jannisaries.

 

[Scimitar]

This made me laugh out loud. LOL. I cannot imagine some castrated feminen soldiers with fancy mustaches trying to conquer Istanbul or at the gates of Vienna.

You absolutely confused the harem boys with the Jannisaries.

I did too, doesn't change the fact that castration was an Ottoman practice does it?

 

[anatolian]

Yes it was a cruel practice