Views on Transgender People

[kritikvernunft]

Being transgender has nothing to do with changing biology; it has to do with changing the way cultural and society views us.

The status of sex-change operations in Divine Law, looks a bit ambiguous:

The Ottoman court harem—within the Topkapı Palace (1465–1853) and later the Dolmabahçe Palace (1853–1909) in Istanbul—was under the administration of the eunuchs.

If the Ottoman Sultan-Khalif himself did not see any problem in employing sex-changed men as security guards for his palace, he must obviously not have found it a particularly haraam practice. Furthermore, everybody must have known about it. It could impossibly have been a secret. I could also not find any historical reference to Ottoman mufti or ulema decrying this practice as impermissible. Jews and Christians were clearly allowed to do it, and it was clearly allowed to employ them. I would understand that the Sunni ulema would prefer to disapprove of the practice. There is certainly no obligation to approve of it. Vehemently repudiating the position of the Iranian clergy, however, looks like a stretch. Their point of view is not completely out of the blue ...

 

[Serinity]

my stance on this issue is that it is a major sin to change gender.

Imagine what chaos there'd be with people freely changing gender. Just not nice, and disgusting.............

 

[AnnaK]

Imagine what chaos there'd be with people freely changing gender. Just not nice, and disgusting.............

Gender dysphoria only affects 1 in every 1000 people, so no, it wouldn't errupt any chaos in the world. I bet wherever you live has transgender people hiding that fact of being transgender, and it isn't causing chaos in the world now.

 

[Serinity]

Gender dysphoria only affects 1 in every 1000 people, so no, it wouldn't errupt any chaos in the world. I bet wherever you live has transgender people hiding that fact of being transgender, and it isn't causing chaos in the world now.

Alhamdulillah, it is not many.

People should treat it as an illness.

 

[M.I.A.]

Do you know how many Doctors I've met that believe in the exact opposite? Medical school isn't a flash in a pan; it takes a lot of work and dedication to become doctor. I personally through conferences and outreach have met hundreds of people who will treat transgender people as people rather than wild things with psychotic diseases.

Riddle me this: what separates men and women from a cultural perspective? Jobs? A woman could hold any job a man can. Status? Women can have the same status as men. Clothes? Is that the issue everyone gets tangled up on? What truly is the difference between man and woman from a cultural perspective?

Being transgender has nothing to do with changing biology; it has to do with changing the way cultural and society views us.

you seem to have jumped to a parallel..

women have often been discriminated against in western society.

in the workplace, within politics..probably a few other places also..

it has nothing to do with religion.

its perspective..

for instance if a women is chauffeured around and has a male minder within the western world..

her status is beyond reproach.. your instincts tell you money or fame.

...and yet those two same characteristics within the eastern world are considered a deprivation of rights.

and maybe they are.

but why do western women need to be chauffeured and minded then?

..from a cultural perspective..

all those deprivations of privilege you associate with islam are to protect womens honour.. or wealth.. from people who have none for themselves.

it can be abused..


recently women have even left work or persued other avenues.. in the western world..

because there bosses have asked them to dress more provocatively..

poor women.

at least they are not complaining about being paid less than their piers.


*men have rights over women..and women over men..

it is a natural state.

although maintaining the state is hard work at times.


personal freedoms are often compromised..

looking after the house.

looking after the children.

looking after parents.

...all things which require maintaining.

from another thread:

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Source

WOMAN MET WITH OWNER ABOUT "MUSLIMS GET OUT" SIGN

Sunday, September 25, 2016 07:38AM

ROCHESTER, MN (KTRK) --

Earlier this week, there was a sign outside of a Lonsdale, MN restaurant that read, "Muslims get out."

The owner of the restaurant says he put the sign out to show support for victims of the St. Cloud mall stabbing, where a Muslim man injured several people. The sign has received both negative and positive feedback.

One thing is for sure, it captured the attention of Regina Mustafa, a Muslim woman who founded the Community Interfaith Dialogue on Islam in Rochester and does a lot of interfaith work around the state.

Regina decided to make a trip to Lonsdale in the hopes of meeting face-to-face with the owner. She took to Facebook Live to document her feelings, saying she was nervous but knew it was something she had to do.

"What was shocking was when we got there, we realized the sign was different than the image we had seen on the internet because now it said, "Muslims get out of the USA," she says. "So not just his restaurant, now he wants them all out of the entire country."

With a bouquet of flowers and card in-hand, Regina entered the restaurant alone and quietly asked to talk to the owner.

"The last thing I wanted to do was disturb his business, or be disrespectful to the people, or cause a scene, I just wanted to talk to him," she says.

When she did, she noted that both the owner and his wife were polite, kind, and despite it being a busy night, they gave her a few minutes to talk about the sign. She says he told her the sign is referring to "extremists" and not all Muslims.

"I said to him, "don't you think it's just better to take down the sign than to keep it up when it apparently doesn't reflect what you really mean." I pleaded to him, I said "I'm a mother, I have two young children and what would it do if my son were to see that sign?" And he said, "oh you and your family are welcomed here any time.""

Regina says she is glad that she went, even if the sign will not be changed.

...and thats why muslim men need women minders.

and why im a middle aged man under curfew.

 

[Born_Believer]

Do you know how many Doctors I've met that believe in the exact opposite? Medical school isn't a flash in a pan; it takes a lot of work and dedication to become doctor. I personally through conferences and outreach have met hundreds of people who will treat transgender people as people rather than wild things with psychotic diseases.

Riddle me this: what separates men and women from a cultural perspective? Jobs? A woman could hold any job a man can. Status? Women can have the same status as men. Clothes? Is that the issue everyone gets tangled up on? What truly is the difference between man and woman from a cultural perspective?

Being transgender has nothing to do with changing biology; it has to do with changing the way cultural and society views us.

I know, I said that in my statement but no one who looks at the science objectively (as you can tell from my post I didn't even mention my personal opinion or Islam in this) can honestly, with a clear conscience say it is a natural occurrence. Now, of course, those who do not hold any serious values within the medical community, will go along with whatever line the politicians tell them are best. For example, I know of doctors who work in the disability allowance side of things and go along with putting disabled individuals into work, even when they are severely troubled, because there is a crackdown by the current conservative government on benefits and the poor in general. So, doctors who stand for nothing, or people in general, will fall for anything.

Where did you find that I expect transgender people to be "wild things"? It's an illness/disease and like any illness or disease, it is our job, as medical professionals AND society as a whole to treat these people with sympathy, to care for them and to guide them correctly. Just because it's a disease doesn't make the people some kind of lesser humans. We should treat them similarly to other mental illnesses. Compassion is a major part of that but it must come through medical understanding.

Keeping on the medical theme, did you know there was research carried out by two institutions, one in the UK and the other in the US, which found that 80% of children who had thoughts of being different to their physical make up, i.e. a boy who thought he was really a girl, for instance, had that issue spontaneously resolved? That means, without intervention from people who encouraged them towards a certain psychology, the child out grew this phase, very much like many children who go through issues of imaginary friends or sucking their thumbs. The institutions were: Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children.

I could go on and on about the science of the issue but I won't because I feel it won't get through to you. What I hope will get through to you is the faith and knowledge of Islam. We have been told by our Prophet Muhammad PBUH that it is HARAM for men to dress like women and vice verse, along with other such wisdom. It is for this exact reason, to avoid creating societies which facilitate and encourage such thoughts which become irrational actions. You say you have met many people with such issues, maybe you are one yourself, fair enough. Then you know, even better than me, that each one of these people does not exist in a transgender bubble, they have arrived here due to abuse, physical or sexual and ultimately, serious depression.

I hope you read this all the way through and take some time ponder on the information. May Allah guide you.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

There are no accidents.

Allaah Ta`aalaa created you as a male, with the body of a male, and that was no accident. You think that your mind is telling you otherwise? That is Shaytaan putting it into your mind, because he wants to change what Allaah Ta`aalaa has created. "Taghyeeru Khalqillaah" (Changing the creation of Allaah) is from the Kabaa'ir (major sins). Even if a male goes for a sex-change operation, he will never become a woman. He will be resurrected on the Day of Qiyaamah once again as a male, with a male's body, with male genitalia, uncircumcised on top of that. There's no getting away from it. Whatever Allaah Ta`aalaa has created a person as, they will Always be.

Allaah Ta`aalaa says:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَغْفِرُ أَنْ يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَلِكَ لِمَنْ يَشَاءُ وَمَنْ يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا بَعِيدًا (116) إِنْ يَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِهِ إِلَّا إِنَاثًا وَإِنْ يَدْعُونَ إِلَّا شَيْطَانًا مَرِيدًا (117) لَعَنَهُ اللَّهُ وَقَالَ لَأَتَّخِذَنَّ مِنْ عِبَادِكَ نَصِيبًا مَفْرُوضًا (118) وَلَأُضِلَّنَّهُمْ وَلَأُمَنِّيَنَّهُمْ وَلَآمُرَنَّهُمْ فَلَيُبَتِّكُنَّ آذَانَ الْأَنْعَامِ وَلَآمُرَنَّهُمْ فَلَيُغَيِّرُنَّ خَلْقَ اللَّهِ وَمَنْ يَتَّخِذِ الشَّيْطَانَ وَلِيًّا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَقَدْ خَسِرَ خُسْرَانًا مُبِينًا (119) يَعِدُهُمْ وَيُمَنِّيهِمْ وَمَا يَعِدُهُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ إِلَّا غُرُورًا (120) أُولَئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَلَا يَجِدُونَ عَنْهَا مَحِيصًا (121)


"Indeed, Allaah does not forgive (the sin of) ascribing partners unto Him (Shirk), but He forgives other than that for whomsoever He wills. And, whosoever ascribes partners unto Allaah has indeed deviated very far (from the straight path). They (the Mushrikeen who call on others besides Allaah) do not call, besides Him, on anything besides female (false-gods), and they do not call upon anything except a rebellious Shaytaan (i.e. Iblees). Allaah cursed him, and he (Shaytaan) said, "I will take (i.e. lead astray) an appointed portion of Your slaves. I will mislead them; I will put in them false desires; I will order them, and they will slit the ears of cattle; I will order them, and they will change the creation of Allaah. And whosoever takes Shaytaan as a Wali (friend; helper; protector) instead of Allaah, then he has indeed suffered a manifest loss. He (Shaytaan) promises them and puts false desires in them, but whatever he promises them is nothing but deception. They (Shaytaan and those who obey him), their abode is Jahannam, and they will not find any escape from it." [Soorah an-Nisaa, 4:116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121]​

 

[Aaqib]

Such a disgusting thing to do. No hate, but I don't think a man to a woman is permissible in Islam. You were created as a man, you're a man. No mistakes.

 

[Search]

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Dear AnnaK:

I have nothing but best wishes for you, but I also note that we must as Muslims give you beneficial advice that is also nothing less than the absolute truth. Again, I stress I do not know what the answer is as I'm not qualified to give an expert opinion. Yet I also note that Islamic scholars would, if you haven't had gender reassignment surgery, probably ask even in the favorable fatwas (rulings) that I'd earlier provided and to which I'd linked you probably advise you to remain the sex which you were born. Having gender reassignment surgery would probably be inadvisable if you're still inclined towards the procedure but you'd remain a Muslim if you did obtain that procedure; your self-identification as a woman needs the benefit of you having had reassignment surgery in the before you're also identified as a woman in Islamic juristic understanding. I don't know what to advise you. I only know that any struggle against the self is hard, but perhaps that is why it is infinitely praiseworthy and rewarding in the eyes of God.

Perhaps it is immodest to discuss here, and I probably would not save for the thought that I might benefit you in contextualizing this discussion in broader terms of struggling against the self that is known as jihad. As a woman, I have sexual desires; yet Islam proscribes engaging in any physical relationship before marriage. I'm unmarried, and I'm young, and I'm (from what people have always told me) attractive. Sometimes, my desires are strong yet I have to keep calm and remember that Allah is seeing me and that I cannot make what is haram (forbidden) halal (permissible) and pursue premarital intercourse. It is a struggle. And I'm struggling against myself. I'm not holy; I'm a human being. I've previously talked to men in the context of marital prospects, but things more than once didn't work out in the end even though things seemed initially very promising. Sometimes, in my lowest moments, I've wondered if I'm destined to get married. I've wondered what would happen if I never got married - would I want to engage in premarital intercourse then? For a brief time in which I was wrestling with my desires very strongly especially after a specific disappointment with a man with whom I'd really thought I'd get married, I thought maybe yes because my iman (faith) had hit an all-time low and I'd felt crushed and couldn't understand the purpose of this self-inflicted self-immolation. But then I reflected on all the things that had beautifully instilled in me the love of Islam and to choose Islam for myself when I'd been an atheist; and I then understood that the answer must be no always (as to premarital intercourse). I'm not holy as I well know; but I also know that I'm stronger than I think and braver than I believe; I must choose to be either a servant of God or give into the idea of being a servant to my desires; I choose and chose God. I love Allah; and I know now (though I'd briefly become unsure if I could keep on this struggle with myself at my low point of iman (faith)) that even if I never married and had to remain chaste for the rest of my life, I'd be happy to make this sacrifice because I love Allah and the religion of Islam more than my next breath or the relief of drinking cold water on a hot day.

There's something that too must have brought you to accept Islam; think on the matter, AnnaK, when you're feeling less strong and less brave and less happy about things. I know you can do it, just as many people struggling differently and in different ways have done and continue to do; and I'm with you in any capacity as a friend and supportive sister in your journey. This life is not paradise, AnnaK, but it is the best chance we have to get it right for ourselves to attain the beatific vision of God in the Highest Paradise.

And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me. (51:56.)

​

In the spirit of this truth, I have been for quite some time now been engaged in loving acts of kindness to myself and pursuing the journey of self-discovery and contentment as a means of worship. I've learned to see life as a complete gift and opportunity to rekindle a love affair with all my other dreams since I've stopped trying to make things somehow fit and instead live in the moment; to be honest, if we look deep within ourselves, we'll see that all that which feels like a "need" is ultimately about trying to find divinely inspired contentment in places other than our own hearts and deepest delving into our souls.


Wishing you the best in life, and all goodness,


:wa: (And peace be upon you)

[...]

 

[kritikvernunft]

Such a disgusting thing to do. No hate, but I don't think a man to a woman is permissible in Islam. You were created as a man, you're a man. No mistakes.

For a man, it requires willpower and determination to act like a man, to try to establish himself, find resources, and then go through a legitimate procedure to find a wife to marry and have children with. Without motivation, it will just not happen. As a man, you must really want and desire this. The man's sexual urges will also keep prodding him to do what it takes, so that he can finally get what he wants. Transgender men do not have that motivation, or not even the urge to prod them. Therefore, they will not do it anyway. In that sense, whether they have an operation or not, it will not make any difference. For women, it is different. They can just be commanded to stick to their roles. There is no need for any kind of willpower or motivation for a woman to be one, to marry, and to have children. That is why I personally reject the idea of a woman seeking to have herself operated to become a man. Furthermore, I do not believe that anybody thinks that the Ayatollah Khomeini was a wimp. On the contrary, he was redoubtable. He would fight for what he believed in, and irrevocably impose his views. His enemies actually respected him. In my opinion, he certainly had credibility. If the Ayatollah Khomeini decided to let go of the issue, I am personally also ok with that.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

We must mention this as well, because it was brought up in this thread:

Iran is a Kaafir state, not an Islaamic state. The Akaabireen `Ulamaa have stated that Shi`as are Kuffaar for the following reasons:

1) They do not accept the Qur'aan. They say it was altered.

2) They elevate their 12 Imaams to a level of "Godhood". They claim that Allaah Ta`aalaa created the 12 Imaams and that these 12 Imaams then created the rest of the creation, such as the human beings, Jinn, Malaa'ikah, animals, etc.

3) Some of them feel that Jibreel عليه السلام made a mistake by bringing the Wahi to Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and that he should have brought it to Hadhrat `Ali رضي الله عنه instead.

4) They regard all of the Sahaabah - besides a handful of them - as being Kuffaar. They make mass Takfeer of the Sahaabah. They feel that the Sahaabah all - wal-`Iyaadhu Billaah - became Murtaddeen after Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, except a few of them.

5) They accuse Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها of having committed a Faahishah (shameless, immoral act), wa-Na`oodhu Billaahi min Dhaalik.

6) They curse Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه and Hadhrat `Umar رضي الله عنه.

7) They regard Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jamaa`ah as being Kaafirs.

8) They make Du`aa to their Imaams, calling upon them instead of Allaah Ta`aalaa.

These are some of the beliefs of the Ithnaa `Ashariyyah Shi`as (12 Imaam-ers). The Kaafir state of Iran follows the Ithnaa `Ashari religion, which is completely opposite to the Deen of Islaam.

Islaam is based on Tawheed. Shi'ism is based on Shirk. The two are polar opposites.

Also, I encourage the brothers and sisters here to do some reading on who Khomeini was. Khomeini was a pervert and a paedophile. He used to visit the houses of his worshippers from the Shi`a cult, and find out if they have any baby girls (newborn till 2-3 years old). If they did, he would sleep with them, by doing what they term "Tafkheedh". Tafkheedh is that the man (Shi`a) squeezes his penis between the thighs (Fakhdh, in Arabic) of the baby girl, and does his business there until he ejaculates. This is known as "Tafkheedh", and is something Khomeini used to practice habitually. He was well-known for it. He himself was the one who declared it to be permissible, and so the Shi`as do that.

Once again: The Shi`a cult is a satanic, Kaafir cult that has nothing to do with Islaam.

والسلام​

 

[Karl]

The problem does not seem to be new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun
Mukhannathun (مخنثون "effeminate ones", "men who resemble women", singular mukhannath) is classical Arabic for men who have been castrated, perhaps poorly distinguished from eunuchs. At one point in time during the Umayyad Caliphate, a caliph, usually identified as Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik, reportedly ordered that all Mukhannathun should be castrated.

Another problem, the operation must apparently be carried out by non-Muslims on non-Muslim territory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved and emasculated members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte.[SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP] The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs.

Apparently, they could also find employment as security guards for women, as a substitute for a mahram.

So does the Arabic Mukhannathun refer specifically to effeminate men or does it refer to all effeminate males including prepubescents? If it refers specifically to men then what is the specific Arabic term for effeminate males?

 

[Karl]

Islam forbids men to imitate women and women to imitate men, and in fact it emphatically forbids that, to such an extent that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who go against the human nature with which Allaah created them.

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men, and he said: “Throw them out of your houses.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5885).

This is true. I do find it curious though how many people here seem to be confining this whole discussion to effeminate men rather than effeminate males. Is this merely an oversight or mistranslation, or is it instead an attempt not to offend the politically correct "adults only" kuffar? In Arabic did the prophet (pbuh) specifically curse men who imitate women or did he curse males who imitated females? There is a big difference in meaning between one and the other.

Also there are two types of effeminate male. The first type looks morphologically male, but merely acts and dresses like a female, often feigning female voice, and basically comes across as ludicrous. I think probably these are the particular type of male the prophet (pbuh) was referring to. There is however ANOTHER kind of effeminate male. These ones actually look morphologically feminine just like females and most heterosexual males would find them extremely attractive. They are so soft featured that one could easily mistake them for an actual female. This type isn't really a male gone wrong though, but are instead females gone wrong. This is because they look like females all the way from head to toe EXCEPT that they have been accidentally born with male genitalia. This particular type would look utterly ridiculous if they attempted to act macho because most people would think "Why is that female acting and dressing like a male??" I could be wrong but I very much doubt that the prophet (pbuh) would have felt shunning of these women and girls accidentally born with penises.

 

[crookedrib]

Being transgender has nothing to do with changing biology; it has to do with changing the way cultural and society views us.

Did you not read brother eesa's post? Allaah CURSES the one who imitates the opposite gender. Khalas. Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[kritikvernunft]

Did you not read brother eesa's post? Allaah CURSES the one who imitates the opposite gender. Khalas. Nothing else needs to be said.

Someone in that situation will most likely try to avoid getting married to a woman, but imagine that he can also not manage to avoid that? It will not take long before our sister understands that he cannot possibly desire her. Frustrations will go through the roof. All of this will soon become unmanageable, and inevitably end up before the Qadi. So, in order to spare our sisters from ending up in the middle of that kind of nightmares, it is clearly preferable that he does not marry one. Since he will not marry anyway, he can make himself useful by becoming some kind of security guard for the protection of ladies. There will always be someone happy to appoint him to the job of Kapı Ağası, Chief of the Doors for the Ladies.

 

[eesa the kiwi]

This is true. I do find it curious though how many people here seem to be confining this whole discussion to effeminate men rather than effeminate males. Is this merely an oversight or mistranslation, or is it instead an attempt not to offend the politically correct "adults only" kuffar? In Arabic did the prophet (pbuh) specifically curse men who imitate women or did he curse males who imitated females? There is a big difference in meaning between one and the other.

Also there are two types of effeminate male. The first type looks morphologically male, but merely acts and dresses like a female, often feigning female voice, and basically comes across as ludicrous. I think probably these are the particular type of male the prophet (pbuh) was referring to. There is however ANOTHER kind of effeminate male. These ones actually look morphologically feminine just like females and most heterosexual males would find them extremely attractive. They are so soft featured that one could easily mistake them for an actual female. This type isn't really a male gone wrong though, but are instead females gone wrong. This is because they look like females all the way from head to toe EXCEPT that they have been accidentally born with male genitalia. This particular type would look utterly ridiculous if they attempted to act macho because most people would think "Why is that female acting and dressing like a male??" I could be wrong but I very much doubt that the prophet (pbuh) would have felt shunning of these women and girls accidentally born with penises.

Let me get this straight, there is no accident when it comes to gender, Allah decreed for everyone to be the gender they are
if someone is created as a male but has urges to dress and act womanly then this is peversion from the shaitaan, this is corruption that has happened to the soul
as for medical conditions id rather not speak on them as i do not have the knowledge

i dont know why so many people are being politically correct on this thread either, Islam strongly condemns men who dress up as women, Islam is submission to the will of Allah not submission to perverted desires

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

It's because people these days have become "Muslims for the sake of the Kuffaar". Not for the sake of Allaah anymore. Nowadays, people want to make Islaam subservient to the Kuffaar and their satanic desires. They make their whole religion about pleasing a Kaafir. As if a Muslim owes a Kaafir anything. They would gladly lick the backsides of the Kuffaar. Free-of-charge, too.

Spineless, neutered, emasculated...

Abz used to always have that quote in his signature: "Long ago has hope perished, as have our men of honor."

 

[Search]

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

i dont know why so many people are being politically correct on this thread either, Islam strongly condemns men who dress up as women, Islam is submission to the will of Allah not submission to perverted desires

I doubt that anyone is following some code of "politically correct" behavior but because people in this thread want to show all due sensitivity and respect to OP as a human being as we're all an "honored" creation of Allah (Quran 17:70). Also, we should never forget that we're all struggling differently and we should strive to share in solidarity the pain of that struggle while also telling the truth in the best way.

Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Facilitate things to people (concerning religious matters), and do not make it hard for them and give them good tidings and do not make them run away (from Islam)."

Jazkallah khayran.

It's because people these days have become "Muslims for the sake of the Kuffaar". Not for the sake of Allaah anymore. Nowadays, people want to make Islaam subservient to the Kuffaar and their satanic desires. They make their whole religion about pleasing a Kaafir. As if a Muslim owes a Kaafir anything. They would gladly lick the backsides of the Kuffaar. Free-of-charge, too.

Spineless, neutered, emasculated...

Abz used to always have that quote in his signature: "Long ago has hope perished, as have our men of honor."

Muslims in this day and age cannot be said to be "Muslims for the sake of the kuffar" because Muslims and Islam are so demonized in the West and East that Muslims today who are actually practicing Muslims are really in it for the sake of Allah and Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). And to conjecture based on negative assumptions otherwise is telling more about the type of self-righteousness that tends to be the inducement of shaitaan to make persons falsely assume that Muslims doing or saying otherwise are somehow less Muslim or insincere Muslims or hypocrites. The Sahaba :ra: did not go out looking for other believers that are hypocrites but used to see themselves and their own mistakes and their own sins and their own shortcomings in the perfection of the mirror that Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) figure represented and worry if they themselves are hypocrites.

Ibn Abi Mulaika said: "I encountered thirty Companions ra of the Prophet every one of them fears hypocrisy for himself and Al-Hassan Al-Basri used to say about it: 'No one fears it but a believer and no one feels safe from it but a hypocrite'."

Secondly, kaffir in shari terms is known as a disbeliever. However, I note that people in today's times are quick to use it as a pejorative instead when I wonder if that was the way Allah intended us to use the word in the Quran? Historically, ummah (nation) has been considered all human beings, though divisible into three categories as the Revelation of the Quran was sent for all mankind: The three categories within the term are (1) "ummah-at-dawah" (the persons in the nation to whom invitation and call to Islam is to be extended), (2) "ummah-at-ijaba" (the persons in the nation who accepted the invitation and call to Islam), and (3) "ummah-al-mutaba" (the persons in the nation who accepted the invitation and call to Islam and also are following prophetic footsteps).

We cannot change the religion to please anyone whether that person is a ​believer or unbeliever. However, we can modify our behavior and language to please Allah and remember that Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that "religion is advice."

Barkallahu feek.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

A person won't find a Jew or Christian, for example, apologising for their religions to please Muslims. Or an atheist apologising for atheism to please Muslims. Or a Hindu apologising for Hinduism to please Muslims. Or a Buddhist. Or a Jedi, even. Or a Sikh. Or a Rastafarian. I have never come across this. Ever. Not one of these groups will "apologise" for their religions to please Muslims.

Why, then, do Muslims feel the need to apologise for Islaam to please them?

 

[M.I.A.]

because those people live there own lives..

and we live ours.

if we have claim of guidance or piety or knowledge..

then it shows in time.



:/ probably.


qul ya ayuhal kafirun



.. politicians dont apolagise either..

its always the same reason, if your not on top your underneath.

maybe they have all got as far as there is only one.

and with it they cause tumult and opression, bloodshed and mischief in the land..

emnity between brothers and far worse.

dont they?