War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

[i_m_tipu]

I hate to be picky, but there is no 'proof' at all. All that is is CNN quoting one person's (who has no connection with the US government) opinion.




As you should be perfectly well aware, it is virtually impossible to 'prove' that somebody isn't doing something. The emphasis is on the person who is claiming something is being done to prove it... that should only take one piece of evidence, if it is good enough. You have no such evidence of US funding of Ethiopia for this campaign.

ohh..
Why u say that is from a person. Every report is from one person.

Where u find author name on that article.
The news is from CNN officially. That means CNN bear responsibility of all portion of that report.

Anyway Do u want me to believe U.S Govt. confess of their unjustified involvement in Somalia. Where the whole world continuously questioning them about the justification of Iraq war.

Can u pls tell when the govt. of U.S asked about the unjustified U.S involvement in Somalia. They kept silent.

Why they did not want to give comment????

Why they don’t deny their unjustified involvement????

Does not it proof U.S have unjustified involvement in Somalia.

i saw a poll offered on that time to American people. i think u also seen it
like to post it again.

Do you think the U.S. should be supporting warlords in Somalia?
Yes
No

poll result
yes 19% 539 votes

no 81% 2255 votes

And I really don’t understand what proof need to be proven.

It something like a judge running a case of a murderer where at the end he found more than enough evidence of his crime and he punish him according to the law. But murderer does not say by his own mouth that he murder nor he denies it (very rare thing). (Except abnormal man no criminal will confess of his own mistake)

Now people like u saying the murder is innocent he has to involvement to that murder as he never say it from his mouth that he murder.

 

[Trumble]

ohh..
Why u say that is from a person. Every report is from one person.

Where u find author name on that article.
The news is from CNN officially. That means CNN bear responsibility of all portion of that report.

Have you actually read the article? It says

John Prendergast, an analyst for the Washington-based International Crisis Group, said the Islamic militia was likely to be too busy securing the territory it has recently captured to establish a new government, but might negotiate "a very specific role" within the transitional government.

"For now, no one is going to view them as the government in Mogadishu," he told CNN. "There's still too much flux and too much uncertainty going forward."

......

But Prendergast said U.S. operatives had been supporting the secular warlords, many of whom were the same militia leaders who fought pitched battles in the streets of Mogadishu in the 1990s.

CNN do indeed have responsibility to ensure that what they report is correct, which is why they make it quite clear that what is being reported is what they were told by one individual, specifically Mr Prendergast (who is not a CNN employee) . Prendergast did not write the report, as you correctly say authorship is not identified. There is no implication that CNN shares Prenderghast's opinion or has adopted that opinion as it's own. If you think about it your perception is nonsense; it would mean news media could never be in a position to report alternative points of view on anything.

All of which, yet again, is totally irrelevant to the point. Nobody is seriously denying that the US may well have been involved in throwing a few dollars the way of warlords opposed to the UIC. The issue here, though, is whether the Ethiopian action was directly funded and instigated by the US. I still await any evidence at all ('proof' is obviously far too ambitious) that it was.

 

[root]

Who exactly is backing the Islamists?

The Ethiopian forces, who back Somali's transitional government, are now reported to be closing in on an estimated 3,000 Islamist fighters in Kismayo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6219763.stm

It seems the UIC may well find itself trapped between Kismayo and the Kenyan border.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Who exactly is backing the Islamists?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6219763.stm

It seems the UIC may well find itself trapped between Kismayo and the Kenyan border.

the point is the muslims can always come back and fight again another day, even if you wipe them all out the idiology still remains and we actually look forward to death.

to us fighting brings one of two victories, martyrdom or victory over the enemies of Allah. either is good for us.

 

[KAding]

Who exactly is backing the Islamists?

Well, the UN report from 22nd of November has this to say on it:
http://www.un.org/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=S/2006/913

The Islamic Courts Union (ICU) has become the pre-eminent force in the central and southern regions. With clearly visible momentum, bolstered by aggressive support from seven States.
[...]
The means effectively consist of overall military capability, including an increasingly organized military-style force, as opposed to the loose patchwork of autonomous and independently operating militias prevalent during the warlord era; military command and control; military advice, direction and guidance; diverse forms of military training; arms and the military materiel and logistics necessary to support military operations; and financial and economic strength, both self-generated, through large and affiliated business operations, and from gifts and donations from outside Somalia. ICU also relies to a very considerable extent on State support, including from Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Saudi Arabia and the Syrian Arab Republic, to maintain its military capability. In sum, its objective successes are as much a clear manifestation of the combined effect of all of these characteristics as a demonstration of its intent.

On arms in Somalia in general (the TFG is the transitional government):

More broadly, the principal sources for the overall military build-up involving arms, military materiel and foreign military personnel can be identified as 10 States: Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Saudi Arabia, the Syrian Arab Republic, Uganda and Yemen. Of those States, seven are aligned with ICU: Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Saudi Arabia and the Syrian Arab Republic; the remaining three States, Ethiopia, Uganda and Yemen, are aligned with TFG.

Good thing people on this forum have figured out the truth: the US is to blame . Silly UN and their reports. :rollseyes.

Seriously though, the report is a great read, I recommend it to anyone interested in the conflict :thumbs_up. Here is another extract:

7. The majority of arms provided to ICU by States — seven of them — and arms traders include the types that are typically used in Somalia. But, ominously, new and more sophisticated types of weapons are also coming into Somalia, including man-portable surface-to-air missiles such as the Strela-2 and 2M, also known as the SA-7a and 7b “Grail”, and the SA-6 “Gainful” low-to-medium altitude surface-to-air missile. Other new types of arms include multiple rocket launchers and second-generation infrared-guided anti-tank weapons.

8. On the other hand, arms provided to TFG by States — three of them — and arms traders overwhelmingly include the types that are historically typical for the Somali environment, including assault rifles, a variety of machine guns and anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines and large quantities of ammunition.

 

[guyabano]

yep.all Christian states seem to be enthusiaistic about calling Islamists as terrorists and fight them.

what a shortminded BS you post here ! Hmp ! None ist enthusiastic. This just happen in your mind !

 

[ocacia]

AVARALLAH U shouldnt accuse the USA of these wars, cleary they made a mistake, they didnt get bin ladin or the WMD, but everyone makes mistakes--it is human. shame about the dead Muslims.

funny it isnt a war on islam (which is in the way of their designs on oil) so y all the dead muslim bodies y all the islamaphobia, but they dont control the media so everytime we hear terror and islam i guess it is an accident.

 

[ocacia]

Rastafari

 

[Islamicboy]

AVARALLAH U shouldnt accuse the USA of these wars, cleary they made a mistake, they didnt get bin ladin or the WMD, but everyone makes mistakes--it is human. shame about the dead Muslims.

funny it isnt a war on islam (which is in the way of their designs on oil) so y all the dead muslim bodies y all the islamaphobia, but they dont control the media so everytime we hear terror and islam i guess it is an accident.

Good Point! I ask the same questions