War in Southern Somalia nearly over

[Dawud_uk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8047750.stm

The above is a link to a story from the BBC showing the war in southern somalia is alhamdulillah moving into its final stages and the forces of apostasy and kufr are out numbered, out gunned and pinned into one small part of the capital by the mujahideen, may Allah swt give strength to the mujahideen to complete their victory soon, ameen.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Will you leave there as soon as the sharia forces win?

 

[edil]

Alhamduliah all praise are due to Allah. Ameen Akhi.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Will you leave there as soon as the sharia forces win?

if i had the funds and the means, i.e a few grand and was able to go without being arrested so basically yes, it is my intention to go inshallah (God willing) as unlike other parts of the muslim world they have specifically made a promise to look after and find work for those who make hijrah there.

 

[Maryan0]

honestly aren't these people tired of fighting (not the civilians) it's like take a break have a kitkat subhanallah
anyways apostasy and kufr are pretty serious accusations
salaam

 

[TrueStranger]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8047750.stm

The above is a link to a story from the BBC showing the war in southern somalia is alhamdulillah moving into its final stages and the forces of apostasy and kufr are out numbered, out gunned and pinned into one small part of the capital by the mujahideen, may Allah swt give strength to the mujahideen to complete their victory soon, ameen.

Refrain from praise those you do NOT know!

 

[Intisar]

Refrain from praise those you do NOT know!

JazakAllaah khair.

if i had the funds and the means, i.e a few grand and was able to go without being arrested so basically yes, it is my intention to go inshallah (God willing) as unlike other parts of the muslim world they have specifically made a promise to look after and find work for those who make hijrah there.

You really believe that nonsense, when the natives of Somalia cannot even go back?

 

[Maryan0]

apparently this here is a video of civilians defending themselves against Al shabaab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4t7...howthread.php?t=44705&feature=player_embedded

Al shabaab were in the right when they were fighting off the ethiopians and they were quite popular than, but since they chose to continue fighting when the majority of somalis were happy with the new govenment their popularity has waned. somalia doesn't need more bloodshed and sheik sharif has repeatedly asked al shabaab to negotiate and be a part of rebuilding somalia but they chose to continue on with useless bloodshed that caused and is continuing to cause the deaths of hundreds of civilians.

the majority of somalis have asked them to lay down their arms and negotiate, the goverment has asked them to lay down their arms and negotiate, scholars the world over have told them to cease their fighting, lay down their arms and negotiate. labeling all who are opposed to them apostates just goes to show how intolerant they are and mujahidin they most definetly are not.

or
http://i31.tinypic.com/2rek5mw.jpg

the pic above is by a somali comic who is known for his political cartoons
the man standing on the other man symbolizes al shabaab, and he is telling the man he is standing to "shut up i'm trying to protect you from the enemy"
and the man he is standing on symbolizes the somali people or civilians and he's saying " oh Allah you see the enemy, protect us from them we've had enough".
al shabaab have their redeeming qualities but they are fighting for political ambitions which make them worse than even are previous president because even though he was bad he didn't do bad things in the name of Allah and Islam.
salaam

 

[Dawud_uk]

is islam a democracy? no. clearly not, we have a concept of shura but only in halal matters. people cannot choose for a nation haram, it is not allowed.

so even if what you said is true, even if the majority of the people wanted the government of sheikh sharif and it wasn't a halal option could the mujahideen take that option?

no, they couldnt if that was the case.

so therefore what it is necessary to prove is that the sharif govt is not legitimate islamically, that he has aposticated and should come back to islam before it is too late.

if i can prove this to you would you agree that i was correct before an you should support the mujahideen at least in your du'as?

 

[salafy_masry]

salam alikum

It is very strange that sheik sharif is now a god man in the eyes of the west and the UN .. although we all know that he was on the side of the mujahedeen ... I don't if I can trust him now .. allahu al'am

 

[Dawud_uk]

salam alikum

It is very strange that sheik sharif is now a god man in the eyes of the west and the UN .. although we all know that he was on the side of the mujahedeen ... I don't if I can trust him now .. allahu al'am

judge him by the company he keeps, the secularists, the ethiopians who only a short while ago were fighting the believers and are still fighting them in their own country and the western governments.

 

[salafy_masry]

judge him by the company he keeps, the secularists, the ethiopians who only a short while ago were fighting the believers and are still fighting them in their own country and the western governments.

So how come he has these people around him ?

 

[Dawud_uk]

So how come he has these people around him ?

the secularists dont want an islamic government, it is the last thing they want so they first paid the warlords to fight to prevent the Islamic courts.

when this didnt work they got their allies the ethiopians to do their dirty work for them, who also dont want an islamic state on their doorstep with their own muslim population and massive abuses against them.

when this didnt work they seek to divide and rule, take what is for them the lesser of two evils and get sharif to switch sides, join with the secularists and say this is now the true government.

who says?

how do we determine leadership in islam, is it democracy? no. is it whomever the outside world appoints for us, no.

sharif has taken the kuffar as awliyah, he flies around the world, meeting these people who hate islam, they only accept him because they know he is the last barrier before true islamic government.

they are petrified that if he now fails, which looks likely then the mujahideen will take over and impose shariah in a very stategic location in the world and that it will then spread to surrounding regions and eventually become a threat to themselves.

any true islamic state is a threat to the west, it gives an alternative to their secular consumerism, a different model of living to people to observe and decide if they like or not.

without this with dawah we only have theoretical models, no examples today to point to. but when people see the rule of Allah on the earth then they will enter into islam in huge numbers.

 

[salafy_masry]

the secularists dont want an islamic government, it is the last thing they want so they first paid the warlords to fight to prevent the Islamic courts.

when this didnt work they got their allies the ethiopians to do their dirty work for them, who also dont want an islamic state on their doorstep with their own muslim population and massive abuses against them.

when this didnt work they seek to divide and rule, take what is for them the lesser of two evils and get sharif to switch sides, join with the secularists and say this is now the true government.

who says?

how do we determine leadership in islam, is it democracy? no. is it whomever the outside world appoints for us, no.

sharif has taken the kuffar as awliyah, he flies around the world, meeting these people who hate islam, they only accept him because they know he is the last barrier before true islamic government.

they are petrified that if he now fails, which looks likely then the mujahideen will take over and impose shariah in a very stategic location in the world and that it will then spread to surrounding regions and eventually become a threat to themselves.

any true islamic state is a threat to the west, it gives an alternative to their secular consumerism, a different model of living to people to observe and decide if they like or not.

without this with dawah we only have theoretical models, no examples today to point to. but when people see the rule of Allah on the earth then they will enter into islam in huge numbers.

well i guess i was not clear enough .. but I am sure that the west and the UN wont allow any islamic ruling to exist .. they will fight it with all their power .. but allah swt is the greatest.

thats why i was surprised they accepted this man as a leader to somailia with his history with jihad before

 

[Maryan0]

is islam a democracy? no. clearly not, we have a concept of shura but only in halal matters. people cannot choose for a nation haram, it is not allowed.

to an exent islam does have some democratic elements or certain concepts in common with democracies,what haraam have they chose for the nation? Sheik Sharif is a well known sheik, he was a staunch fighter and opponent of the ethiopians. before this man even came into power they were yelling apostate!munafiq! understand that somalia's situation is a complicated one. somalia is a nation of warlords and tribal affiliations. the man has accepted sharia law, he has continued to ask these men to join the peace process but they have continued to refuse him and further cause the deaths of 100's of somalis and for what?
getting rid of the warlords, establishing an islamic state takes time, sheik sharif isn't superhuman and nothing happens in a day. had somalis united among themselves instead of continuing on with useless fighting in which the main casualties are civilians than we wouln't need amisom,the ethiopian would be gone and somalia would finally after countless failed goverments be able to recover.

so even if what you said is true, even if the majority of the people wanted the government of sheikh sharif and it wasn't a halal option could the mujahideen take that option?
how is it not the halal option? because he shook hands with meles zenawi?
the people support him, the islamic courts support him, the ahlusunnah waljamaca support him.are there secularists, murderers,warlords in the somali goverment? yes, but like i said before somalia is nation of warlords and tribal affiliations, somalia is also a nation that has not had an effective gov't for almost 20 years. the reversal of the attitudes that somalis have will take time and fighting pointless battles with the main deaths being civilians causes nothing but more resentment.
if al shabaab truly wanted peace they would have tried to talk before taking up arms and had sheik sharif been a fraud than they would have at the least had some sort of basis for fighting. do it my way or else will not work in somalia, somalia's situation is to complicated for that.

so therefore what it is necessary to prove is that the sharif govt is not legitimate islamically, that he has aposticated and should come back to islam before it is too late.
Sheik Sharif is a great man in my books and I don't believe he has "aposticated".he's shown alot more patience to al shabbaab more than they deserve.
if i can prove this to you would you agree that i was correct before an you should support the mujahideen at least in your du'as?
you can try.
salaam

 

[Intisar]

is islam a democracy? no. clearly not, we have a concept of shura but only in halal matters. people cannot choose for a nation haram, it is not allowed.

so even if what you said is true, even if the majority of the people wanted the government of sheikh sharif and it wasn't a halal option could the mujahideen take that option?

no, they couldnt if that was the case.

so therefore what it is necessary to prove is that the sharif govt is not legitimate islamically, that he has aposticated and should come back to islam before it is too late.

if i can prove this to you would you agree that i was correct before an you should support the mujahideen at least in your du'as?

Are you calling Al-Shabab mujahideen? Since when were they mujahideen, and what exactly are they fighting for? :?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

if i had the funds and the means, i.e a few grand and was able to go without being arrested so basically yes, it is my intention to go inshallah (God willing) as unlike other parts of the muslim world they have specifically made a promise to look after and find work for those who make hijrah there.

That's good, you want to go, but if you managed to make 1 grand in a year you're not trying enough.

 

[Dawud_uk]

That's good, you want to go, but if you managed to make 1 grand in a year you're not trying enough.

tell you what, why dont you send me a big envolope stuffed with cash and double it?

 

[Dawud_uk]

Are you calling Al-Shabab mujahideen? Since when were they mujahideen, and what exactly are they fighting for? :?

a mujahid is one who fights in the path of Allah, fighting to make Allah's deen most high. do you not think this is the intention of ash-shahab?

have they not consistantly fought the enemies of Allah, the secularists, the warlords, the ethiopians, the AU forces?

are you saying they are not mujahideen, if so why do they not fight for Allah, if you believe they do not or do you have a different definition of mujahid to mine?

 

[Dawud_uk]

is islam a democracy? no. clearly not, we have a concept of shura but only in halal matters. people cannot choose for a nation haram, it is not allowed.

to an exent islam does have some democratic elements or certain concepts in common with democracies,what haraam have they chose for the nation? Sheik Sharif is a well known sheik, he was a staunch fighter and opponent of the ethiopians. before this man even came into power they were yelling apostate!munafiq! understand that somalia's situation is a complicated one. somalia is a nation of warlords and tribal affiliations. the man has accepted sharia law, he has continued to ask these men to join the peace process but they have continued to refuse him and further cause the deaths of 100's of somalis and for what?
getting rid of the warlords, establishing an islamic state takes time, sheik sharif isn't superhuman and nothing happens in a day. had somalis united among themselves instead of continuing on with useless fighting in which the main casualties are civilians than we wouln't need amisom,the ethiopian would be gone and somalia would finally after countless failed goverments be able to recover.

so even if what you said is true, even if the majority of the people wanted the government of sheikh sharif and it wasn't a halal option could the mujahideen take that option?
how is it not the halal option? because he shook hands with meles zenawi?
the people support him, the islamic courts support him, the ahlusunnah waljamaca support him.are there secularists, murderers,warlords in the somali goverment? yes, but like i said before somalia is nation of warlords and tribal affiliations, somalia is also a nation that has not had an effective gov't for almost 20 years. the reversal of the attitudes that somalis have will take time and fighting pointless battles with the main deaths being civilians causes nothing but more resentment.
if al shabaab truly wanted peace they would have tried to talk before taking up arms and had sheik sharif been a fraud than they would have at the least had some sort of basis for fighting. do it my way or else will not work in somalia, somalia's situation is to complicated for that.

so therefore what it is necessary to prove is that the sharif govt is not legitimate islamically, that he has aposticated and should come back to islam before it is too late.
Sheik Sharif is a great man in my books and I don't believe he has "aposticated".he's shown alot more patience to al shabbaab more than they deserve.
if i can prove this to you would you agree that i was correct before an you should support the mujahideen at least in your du'as?
you can try.
salaam

sister there are certain things that are 'known by necessity' in islam, certain matters which no matter how strongly a person claims islam, if they cross these lines they are apostates.

now one of these is the matter of allying with the non muslims whilst they are fighting the believers, this is clear cut kufr known by necessity.

Allah saying in the Quran,

"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as 'Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers etc.), they are but 'Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as 'Auliya' then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)." 5:51

so do you accept this is a matter of kufr akbar, kufr which will take you outside of islam?

So thought sheikh sharif may have done some good in the past, that is not doubted if he turns away from that then he will be judged by what he is doing now.

Now he is going to the kuffar, allying with the british, americans, ethiopians, the AU, the UN, all those who have shown themselves clear enemies of islam and yet he goes with them, smiles as his shakes their hands and signs agreements with them.