Sampharo
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Mohamed Abdul Wahab opinion is his own alone, and as per your own link you shouldn't listens to a scholar against what Allah has revealed. The prophet's dictation that leaders who don't follow shariah or sunnah are still to be followed and not have their rulership broken is as clear as daylight. Ibn Abbas that is being quoted is narrated out of context and we already grew weary from all these misquotations. Scholars have been dealing with zanadeqa's mutations and misquotations for donkey's years, zanadeqa who has been changing the words and attributing false statements to great scholars, especially Ibn Taymeyyea, where they take many of his paragraphs in his books where he would write for example: [Khawarej would say "muslims should rise against ......... etc."...... and that is corrupt saying because...] and they would come and say that Ibn Taymeyya said so and quote the paragraph without the underlined sections.
You are either calling Ibn Abbas as a liar or else the quotation is mistaken because strangely enough it was Ibn Abbas in specific who said that that specific verse is regarding Mushrekien and whomever muslim does not rule by Shariah is not a kafir but a only thalem! How can you explain the contradiction then, huh?
Quotation from Ibn Kathir as well as Al-Qurtubi tafsir:
وقال ابن عباس قوله {ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل اللّه فأولئك هم الكافرون} قال: من جحد ما أنزل اللّه فقد كفر، ومن أقر به ولم يحكم به فهو ظالم فاسق
So, Dauod? Are you saying that Ibn Abbas was lying then or lying later?
The answer is he wasn't lying in neither but as usual Rahat and Sects take things out of context to gain legitimacy to their calls. What Ibn Abbas ACTUALLY said was that knowing what is in Shariah and then twisting it knowingly and saying that Shariah says this or that is a kafir. Such as those who twist the word "Nabeeth" regarding raisin syrup and try to say this means wine, or saying based on the verse "Their food is halal for you" means that it is ok now to eat all christian food including pork and alcohol. Those who know that they changed it out of desire and are trying to say what God has not said are taking those "scholars" as partners, and have been ruled by Abu Bakr and Umar as apostates and were threatened to be put to death when they did that, to which they immediately repented.
Above all however I cannot comprehend how you are actually bringing the very argument held against those zanadeqa, and instead using it for them! You bring a quote that says NOT TO LISTEN TO SCHOLARS WHO PERMIT WHAT GOD HAS PROHIBITED yet you are arguing against over 12 solid authenticated hadith prohibiting fighting Amirs who do not rule by the Sunnah, counting on what Abdul Wahab might have explained regarding what Ibn Abbas has been quoted with? Do not return please without contemplating and understanding this, and unless you have proof that those hadiths are invalid or unauthentic then you are basically stating that you are delibarately disobeying God and his prophet. What does that make you?
Changing interpretation and misquoting on purpose is called zandaqa, and it leads to great ignorance and misguidance. This is actually what these people are doing to try and validate their acts of terror. You are obviously not a zendeeq and seem to mean well, but you ARE responsible for what you say because you have stated many times that you don't have knowledge about these matters. It is on this very foundation that you should at least respect that you don't know and stop pushing what outcasts have falsified and are trying to push into mainstream for centuries, and consider at least the possibility that you are becoming their political tool.
As per your own misquoted statement, no scholar is to be followed in reversing what God prohibited, and God prohibited fighting Amirs even if they do not rule by sunnah. All ijtihad to the contrary have been politically motivated and been done for 1400 years and has always used misquotations or attempted to reverse interpretations. All the origins of these tactics are well known and refuted since they were first used to justify the assasination of Uthman Ibn Affan, and which has been invalidated by the consensus of schools of jurisprudence.
You are either calling Ibn Abbas as a liar or else the quotation is mistaken because strangely enough it was Ibn Abbas in specific who said that that specific verse is regarding Mushrekien and whomever muslim does not rule by Shariah is not a kafir but a only thalem! How can you explain the contradiction then, huh?
Quotation from Ibn Kathir as well as Al-Qurtubi tafsir:
وقال ابن عباس قوله {ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل اللّه فأولئك هم الكافرون} قال: من جحد ما أنزل اللّه فقد كفر، ومن أقر به ولم يحكم به فهو ظالم فاسق
So, Dauod? Are you saying that Ibn Abbas was lying then or lying later?
The answer is he wasn't lying in neither but as usual Rahat and Sects take things out of context to gain legitimacy to their calls. What Ibn Abbas ACTUALLY said was that knowing what is in Shariah and then twisting it knowingly and saying that Shariah says this or that is a kafir. Such as those who twist the word "Nabeeth" regarding raisin syrup and try to say this means wine, or saying based on the verse "Their food is halal for you" means that it is ok now to eat all christian food including pork and alcohol. Those who know that they changed it out of desire and are trying to say what God has not said are taking those "scholars" as partners, and have been ruled by Abu Bakr and Umar as apostates and were threatened to be put to death when they did that, to which they immediately repented.
Above all however I cannot comprehend how you are actually bringing the very argument held against those zanadeqa, and instead using it for them! You bring a quote that says NOT TO LISTEN TO SCHOLARS WHO PERMIT WHAT GOD HAS PROHIBITED yet you are arguing against over 12 solid authenticated hadith prohibiting fighting Amirs who do not rule by the Sunnah, counting on what Abdul Wahab might have explained regarding what Ibn Abbas has been quoted with? Do not return please without contemplating and understanding this, and unless you have proof that those hadiths are invalid or unauthentic then you are basically stating that you are delibarately disobeying God and his prophet. What does that make you?
Changing interpretation and misquoting on purpose is called zandaqa, and it leads to great ignorance and misguidance. This is actually what these people are doing to try and validate their acts of terror. You are obviously not a zendeeq and seem to mean well, but you ARE responsible for what you say because you have stated many times that you don't have knowledge about these matters. It is on this very foundation that you should at least respect that you don't know and stop pushing what outcasts have falsified and are trying to push into mainstream for centuries, and consider at least the possibility that you are becoming their political tool.
As per your own misquoted statement, no scholar is to be followed in reversing what God prohibited, and God prohibited fighting Amirs even if they do not rule by sunnah. All ijtihad to the contrary have been politically motivated and been done for 1400 years and has always used misquotations or attempted to reverse interpretations. All the origins of these tactics are well known and refuted since they were first used to justify the assasination of Uthman Ibn Affan, and which has been invalidated by the consensus of schools of jurisprudence.
