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I do not like to go to work so much. The lifestyle that would best suit me is to
pray and study Quran, Hadith and other texts all day long. And for other people
also I think other lifestyles would be much better.

I think that for a lot of people we are not so happy after all with our lifestyle - but
the main reason we do not dedicate attention to changing that (which we can) is
because we dedicate to much time to fighting and disagreeing instead of cooperating.
 
Everybody in every country has to work to survive. Working has nothing to do with a specific culture. I am happy with my lifestyle and I think if I never had a job life would be boring, working makes you're spare time worthwhile. Besides I plan to get a job I can enjoy and that's interesting.
 
If no one worked we would have know hospitals, police, schools or shops to buy food. It would be like going back to prehistoric times when people didn't live beyond thirty. So yes really we do need to work to survive.
 
1. People in the past lived just as long as we do.

2. People in the past did work.

3. People in the past worked to contribute to society and not to survive.

4. Society is required to support you by the fact that you are alive (for
instance - society is required to support people who are not capable
of working just like people who are).

5. Most people who work make more mess for society than benefit.
It is true - doctors in hospitals are important but most people work
in unimportant bureaucratic activities just for the sake of working.
 
The people of the past weren't as healthy as we are today and there are many more imp0ortant jobs that keep society going. The point is everyone works across the world, it has nothing to do with a difference between east and west.
 
LauraS said:
The people of the past weren't as healthy as we are today and there are many more imp0ortant jobs that keep society going. The point is everyone works across the world, it has nothing to do with a difference between east and west.
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1. Society keeps going because Allah makes it going we do not need to think that it is we who do that (otherwise we are just taking upon ourselves
un-required burden)

2. It has to do with the difference between religious and non-religious.

3. Most of the works people have today are devoted to make believers fight among themselves
(media, secular universities, all sorts of development of useless gadgets etc). If all these people would do
things which are truly useful we would be much better off (contrary to dedicating their lives to fight and
strife).

4. People today might be (not sure) physically healthier - but they are spiritually bankrupt. In fact, I think
that we are in one of the worst conditions ever from a spiritual point of view (which is not less in not more
important than the physical one)
 
LauraS said:
The people of the past weren't as healthy as we are today and there are many more imp0ortant jobs that keep society going. The point is everyone works across the world, it has nothing to do with a difference between east and west.
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Thats not true at all it all - thanks to fast foods and many other unhealthy activities we are now more unhealthy and inactive then ever before. Just look at the the children and whats happening to them in our time.

Just to add not everyone has to work to survive - There are many people who dont work yet survive across the world.
 
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Zafran- The mortality rate from diseases was still higher in the past and thanks to proper healthcare systems and advances in medicine there is less risk from illness. Life expectancy is increasing, people are taller because they are better nourished so we must be helathier on the whole.

Not everyone has work, but if everyone decided they didn't need to then obviously we'd be in trouble this would mean we had no leaders, law or anything. It's no good sitting all day reading religious texts because at the end of the day we have to live as well. Gabriel Ibn Yus- are you suggesting religious people don't work? I really don't get what we're actually arguing here lol :S I think it stemmed from me saying that each culture is happy with their own lifestyle.
 
People always do what they need to do - we all want to survive.

However, a lot of people today do things they souldn't. They do war and are driven
by useless ego. Most of our economic system is driven by these urges while if the
leaders of our economic system would be religious people and would be driven by
the wish to benefit their society we would be much better off.
 
LauraS said:
Zafran- The mortality rate from diseases was still higher in the past and thanks to proper healthcare systems and advances in medicine there is less risk from illness. Life expectancy is increasing, people are taller because they are better nourished so we must be helathier on the whole.

Not everyone has work, but if everyone decided they didn't need to then obviously we'd be in trouble this would mean we had no leaders, law or anything. It's no good sitting all day reading religious texts because at the end of the day we have to live as well. Gabriel Ibn Yus- are you suggesting religious people don't work? I really don't get what we're actually arguing here lol :S I think it stemmed from me saying that each culture is happy with their own lifestyle.
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Majority of the world still doesnt have a good healthcare system and there life expectancy rate isnt very good either. The entire world as a whole isnt that healthy.

We're living even if we work or not - reading religious texts all day is still classified as living a life.
 
Zafran said:
We're living even if we work or not - reading religious texts all day is still classified as living a life.
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Of course, I think it should also be highly encouraged by society as it makes you smarter and naturally fit to help society in ways which would be good to it.
 
Of course people still have a life who read religious texts, but you have to work to sustain yourself too.

There are poorer countries that still have medical issues but at least it's not the whole world anymore.

Leaders who have considered themselves religious have caused enough war in the past for reasons of power. It true religious people who want peace and they don't tend to be the ones in power.

This is getting boring and I don't mean that rudely lol, are we actually going anywhere or even disagreeing very much? :p We have our way of living in the west, you have yours in the east, for the majority each is happy with their own life. Do we agree with that?

To summarise my point: Yes people can be happy with studying religion all day but if everyone did this and didn't go to work society would fall apart. If everyone was happy and religious there wouldn't be a complete break down of law and order but the fact is there are bad people out there whether they consider themselves religious or not.
 
^ you could say each culture is happy, but at the end of the day you can only talk about your own experiences.

i dont live in the east, im a born and bred londoner. in islam we believe in living life on Fitrah - the natural state of man. which includes things like marriage, working for a living etc. i was never religious until recently, and i found more contentment in an islamic lifestyle. im not just saying this because i want to believe it.

so many things in todays life have been made shallow.
eg:
kids study to ultimately make money from a good job. not because they love their subject or to help society.
relationships between opposite sex have become a means of short term satisfaction, even if a long term relationship is desired most of the time it ends prematurely.
babies are seen as mistakes
governments form to fill their pockets with money not the benefit of their people (expenses scandal? etc)
wealth becomes a means of opression not charity (margaret thatcher era?)
extreme stuggle for financial freedom (interest on an already epic mortgage??)
women are simply an object of desire, trophies for men. and this starts when they hit secondary education.
for the sake of social pleasure and entertainment we destroy our planet and our bodies (cigarettes, alcohol, obesity, labour explotation, global warming, deforestation)

so much of what is truly satisfying in life is lost. and this is a result of modern technology and social construct.
but hey the people just want their next chemical high asap, so the dating and alcohol and other weird dependencies continue...
 
LauraS said:
Of course people still have a life who read religious texts, but you have to work to sustain yourself too.

There are poorer countries that still have medical issues but at least it's not the whole world anymore.

Leaders who have considered themselves religious have caused enough war in the past for reasons of power. It true religious people who want peace and they don't tend to be the ones in power.

This is getting boring and I don't mean that rudely lol, are we actually going anywhere or even disagreeing very much? :p We have our way of living in the west, you have yours in the east, for the majority each is happy with their own life. Do we agree with that?

To summarise my point: Yes people can be happy with studying religion all day but if everyone did this and didn't go to work society would fall apart. If everyone was happy and religious there wouldn't be a complete break down of law and order but the fact is there are bad people out there whether they consider themselves religious or not.
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Some poeple dont have to work to sustain themselves thats the point. Not everyone has to work. There are people out there that have that choice.

Yeah and those "poorer" countries have a larger population then the countries with medical help - so majority of the world is still in a crisis.

Not just religious people have created wars - non religous people have also created wars around the world as well.

I am from the west so I'm not sure where the east and west comparision comes from.

Its not about being happy in studying religion all day - its about having the ability to choose that lifestyle.
 
Zafran said:
Some poeple dont have to work to sustain themselves thats the point. Not everyone has to work. There are people out there that have that choice.

Yeah and those "poorer" countries have a larger population then the countries with medical help - so majority of the world is still in a crisis.

Not just religious people have created wars - non religous people have also created wars around the world as well.

I am from the west so I'm not sure where the east and west comparision comes from.

Its not about being happy in studying religion all day - its about having the ability to choose that lifestyle.
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Furthermore - nobody works to sustain himself - this is a fallacy.

We work to receive money - with this money we buy things like food - and it is these things
that sustains us.

most people get much more money than what their work is worth

Therefore - it would be more economical for society if they would stay home and read and educate
themselves so that their kids would be stronger than they are.

However we do not do that because we have this weird concept that everybody should be "listed" in
order to receive sustenance "from society". But this is wrong because we do not receive our right
to exist from society but rather from Allah - also society doesn't really produce anything but rather
receive 99% of what it gives to its individual parts - thus society can only decide how much to give
each of us.

This is very important to understand because, frankly, most of us receive much less than we deserve
while some few individuals take a lot more than they deserve without anybody raising the slightest
objection.

In other word the modern concept of work is simply slavery in disguise - which in turn is punishment
for stupidity.
 
So what do you suggest happens to society if every stays at home to study and don't run hospitals or there are no police? You can speak of some utopia where everyone has found God so do no wrong but at the end of the day that will never happen and even religious people can be bad. I just want to know how this society would work.
 

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