Was Darwin Racist?

This thread isn't about whether you believe Darwin's theories. However, since you addressed your statement to me, I, and the vast majority of the scientific community, find Darwin's evidence to be more than compelling. There are a limited amount of resources on the planet, and species are in competition to take advantage of these resources. Those species with distinct advantages are more likely to succeed and reproduce at a higher rate than those species with disadvantages. This can be witnessed throughout the animal kingdom. From the color of fur, the length of the neck, the ability to defend itself, etc. While I don't think Darwin's theories answer the question about the origin of life, I believe his theories are backed up by solid evidence.

Now, back on topic. Was Darwin racist? Of course I believe the point of bringing this issue up was to diminish his findings based on his racist attitudes.
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
How about his ideas that "negroes" are inferior to Europeans? Is that scientific? is that not eveidence enough? How was comparing races and trying to prove why the European race is superior then the "Negros" therefore adding to racism scientific? He is just giving those who follow his "THEOIRIES" (not facts, THEORIES :)) reasons to be arrogant and making it seem its natural for the enferior race to suffer while the superior race propers...
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Not that old chestnut again. Gravity is a theory, not a fact. Electro-magnetism is a theory, not a fact. Quantum mechanics is a theory, not a fact. And so on, and so on., and so on. For some reason only evolution is 'just' a theory.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. 'Evidence' that Darwin was racist? Possibly, but it isn't evidence that his scientific world is somehow automatically invalidated as a consequence. Whether Darwin was racist or not, no credible evolutionary scientist shares the opinion shown in the quoted passage, or would try to apply the theory in that way, yet they are still evolutionary scientists and accept the theory.
 
Trumble said:
Not that old chestnut again. Gravity is a theory, not a fact. Electro-magnetism is a theory, not a fact. Quantum mechanics is a theory, not a fact. And so on, and so on., and so on. For some reason only evolution is 'just' a theory.
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I wouldn't put something I have felt and seen for my self such as gravity (How our weight varies according to how far we are from centre of earth etc thus giving it some credibility) on the same boat as Evolution which has no credibilty...just my opinion :)
 
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It doesn't really matter whether Darwin was racist. Accusing him of racism is attacking the person, not the argument. It's like an evolutionist accusing Harun Yahya of being a holocaust denier (an accusition that they have used before). It might mean that Harun Yahya is not that nice a person, but it does not prove him wrong.
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Fishman said:
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It doesn't really matter whether Darwin was racist. Accusing him of racism is attacking the person, not the argument. It's like an evolutionist accusing Harun Yahya of being a holocaust denier (an accusition that they have used before). It might mean that Harun Yahya is not that nice a person, but it does not prove him wrong.
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On the contrary had Darwin been writing about anything other then the existence of Humanity it wouldn't be under such scrutiny, he also shows his racism in some of his work, had he showed a natural standpoint in his work it might have been a diffrent story.

It is very likely that Darwin was trying to justfy his racism/slavery etc by brushing it off as something that happened due to natural selection and the fittest survive while the weak get crushed.

So we have concluded that Darwin was indeed Racist. While his work remains a theory his diabolical work only adds to the racism and widens the gap from a peaceful coexistence of all humanity... Just my opinion :)
 
If you didnt know darwin didnt come to any conclusion. Later on, some people got paid to just research on alot of crap to disprove religion.

These days, all that "science" which you think is true, is actually just used as a political/propaganda war. People get paid to make up stuff basically, twist truth - some even get threatened if they don't tag along.

One recent example is on World Global warming - Which is one of the most stupid thing ever. Fishman, how can you believe us humans make a noticeable effect on the environment via CO2 when we only contribute to like single figure digits?

People, general public, are indeed uneducated in alot of matters - and are susceptible to propaganda/crap, so ye, if people can make people believe in a fake moon land, or osama did 9/11

WHY NOT MONKEYS TURNED INTO HUMANS?

k i rest my case.
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
On the contrary had Darwin been writing about anything other then the existence of Humanity it wouldn't be under such scrutiny, he also shows his racism in some of his work, had he showed a natural standpoint in his work it might have been a diffrent story.

It is very likely that Darwin was trying to justfy his racism/slavery etc by brushing it off as something that happened due to natural selection and the fittest survive while the weak get crushed.

So we have concluded that Darwin was indeed Racist. While his work remains a theory his diabolical work only adds to the racism and widens the gap from a peaceful coexistence of all humanity... Just my opinion :)
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Darwin was actually an abolitionist, just to clear that up.

I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery. What a proud thing for England, if she is the first European nation which utterly abolish is it. I was told before leaving England, that after living in slave countries: all my options would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the Negros character. It is impossible to see a negro & not feel kindly toward him; such cheerful, open honest expressions & such fine muscular bodies; I never saw any of the diminutive Portuguese with their murderous countenances, without almost wishing for Brazil to follow the example of Haiti; & considering the enormous healthy looking black population, it will be wonderful if at some future day it does not take place." -- Charles Darwin to Catherine Darwin (May 22 - July 14 1833) The Correspondence of Charles Darwin Vol. 1 1821-1836 (1985), pp. 312-313
 
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WnbSlveOfAllah said:
It is very likely that Darwin was trying to justfy his racism/slavery etc by brushing it off as something that happened due to natural selection and the fittest survive while the weak get crushed.
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You have nothing to support that. The 'slavery' element is nonsense and he would have felt no need to 'justify' racism in what was a racist society. Again, you are judging him by today's standards - and without going into details muslims are quite happy to proclaim how inappropriate that is in another context.

So we have concluded that Darwin was indeed Racist.
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A fairly useless conclusion when, as has been said, most of his contemporaries were as well.

While his work remains a theory his diabolical work only adds to the racism and widens the gap from a peaceful coexistence of all humanity... Just my opinion :)
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Perhaps you could point out where, in 2007 (as opposed to 1937), it is used to promote racism? Even if it was so used that is no reason to bury it, particularly in view of it's importance as a scientific idea. That would take us far further down the road of tyranny and repression than any distortion of Darwin's ideas by racists. Such ideas are simply no longer taken seriously, and gained little extra credibility by association with Darwin's ideas even when they were.
 
Trumble said:
Perhaps you could point out where, in 2007 (as opposed to 1937), it is used to promote racism?
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In fact many places have stoped distributing his work because they know it promotoes racism which is quite obvious looking at his work.

[PIE]"Be it resolved that the Legislature of Louisiana does hereby deplore all instances and ideologies of racism, and does hereby reject the core concepts of Darwinist ideology that certain races and classes of humans are inherently superior to others," reads the Legislature's statement, which was approved 9-5 Tuesday by the state's House Education Committee. It will soon go before the full House.

Yet Louisiana is not alone. Since the beginning of the year, a handful of states -- including Montana, Washington, Georgia and Michigan -- have proposed legislation and other measures against the teaching of evolution, using tactics that have taken a number of twists and turns.

Source: http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2001/05/04/darwin/
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there is actually a documentary which was shown on TV proving that darwin was racist.


its too bad i didnt watch it eh
 
Full story HERE

In early May, a resolution came before the Louisiana Legislature which caught the eye of a number of observers of the continuing debate over creation and evolution.The resolution condemned the writings of Charles Darwin as racist and said that Hitler and others had exploited Darwin’s theories to justify the genocide of millions during the Holocaust.Sharon Weston Broome, an African-American state representative who introduced the measure, said it was designed “to shed a light on the racist tenets that consistently have flowed from Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution taught in Louisiana’s public school systems (as well as those across the nation).”[1]On May 1, the resolution was approved by the state’s House Education Committee by a 9-5 vote.“Be it revolved,” read the resolution, “that the Legislature of Louisiana does hereby deplore all instances and ideologies of racism and does hereby reject the core concepts of Darwinist ideology that certain races and classes of humans are inherently superior to others.”

By the time Broome’s resolution reached the floor of the House one week later, it had attracted national media attention, elicited protests from liberal watchdog groups such as People for the American Way, and caught the eye of the state’s governor, who called the measure “weird.”The full House stripped the measure of all references to Darwin, and passed instead a resolution condemning racism in general.One of the co-authors of the amendment removing the anti-Darwin language from the resolution remarked, “I don’t know if it is our place to be making the determination that Charles Darwin was a racist.”[2] Broome, meanwhile, blamed the media for “demonizing” her and misinforming the public about the intent of her resolution.“The press has had their heyday,” she remarked after the references to Darwin were removed.
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I am unable to find any reference to Louisiana, or anywhere else, "stopping distributing" anything. Perhaps you can clarify?
 
Trumble said:
Full story HERE



I am unable to find any reference to Louisiana, or anywhere else, "stopping distributing" anything. Perhaps you can clarify?
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[PIE]Yet Louisiana is not alone. Since the beginning of the year, a handful of states -- including Montana, Washington, Georgia and Michigan -- have proposed legislation and other measures against the teaching of evolution, using tactics that have taken a number of twists and turns.[/PIE]
 
The legislation proposed in some states, highly unlikely to pass I might add, are more about stopping the teaching of evolution for religious reasons, not on racial grounds, although they will use any tool at their disposal.
 

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