Was Islam spread by SWORD?

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HeiGou said:
Christian schools do not try to enforce Christianity. I assume she does not live in a Christian country where Christian laws are applied. Even if they were Christians have stopped executing people for apostacy. She is not a Christian and so wouldn't be executed for apostacy anyway. You see the differences here?
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no not really!
 
Ya_Giney, one action (according to one religion) would result in her death “By the Sword” and the other wouldn’t.
Do you understand now?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Dear Rehmat,
Well done - you have done a good job of highligting the misconception of Islam. Jazak Allahkhair.
 
HeiGou said:
I mean that the Indonesian-Malay region was very divided. Merchants came from India bringing Islam. Some of them settled and created mini-city states, some did well and intermarried with the local elite but only at the price of the locals converting. Gradually more leaders converted as it brought more trade from India and when they did they tended to enforce Islamic law on their countries and wage war on their neighbors.

enforcing Islamic law? name me a case please


I mean war in the same sense as that waged by the Portuguese.

Yes, Portuguese did wage it. But in the frame of Islam? Nay! Name me a case again.

Really? What is the Buddhist population of Java now? Java is over 90 percent Muslim and most of the non-Muslims, including Buddhists, are Chinese.

True. But they are not a mere minority. every place has their own minority. but the thing is they don't live supressed.

True but that does not change that fact.
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But perception does.
 
our Prophet is accused of military expansion.what is Islam's view on this?why did he conquer tribe after tribe?
 
north_malaysian said:
In Malaysia

By trade - Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam

By sword - Christianity.
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By Sword and By attracting poor by showing money - Christianity.......

Many Christian organisation attract poor people with their money..... and make promises to them that they will help in future tooo .... after those poor people get converted to Christianity.... those organisation people just leave them and go.............. This is how Christianity is growing.....:rant:
 
Muzammil said:
By Sword and By attracting poor by showing money - Christianity.......

Many Christian organisation attract poor people with their money..... and make promises to them that they will help in future tooo .... after those poor people get converted to Christianity.... those organisation people just leave them and go.............. This is how Christianity is growing.....:rant:
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Really? You are aware that the state of Kelantan in Malaysia is offering RM10,000 to each Christian Minister who marries an orang asli (aboriginal) woman and so converts her to Christianity? Indeed the state government is promising each Christian Preacher RM1,000 a month living expenses, free accomodation and a free car.

How do you feel about that?
 
"of any organized attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism penal in France, or the Jews were kept out of England for 350 years. The Eastern Churches in Asia were entirely cut off from communion with the rest of Christiandom throughout which no one would have been found to lift a finger on their behalf, as heretical communions. So that the very survival of these Churches to the present day is a strong proof of the generally tolerant attitude of Mohammedan [sic] governments towards them"( Arnold, Sir Thomas W., The Preaching of Islam, a History of the Propagation of the Muslim Faith, Westminister A. Constable & Co., London, 1896, p. 80)

Also when Moors conquered Spain...Jew prospered in Society...When Christianscame back into rule oppression continued and they fled to where? MUSLIM-RULED OTTOMAN TURKEY! There is still a Spanish speaking Jewish community there today..
 
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my bro's and sis the non-muslims use this as to give them selves some peace of mind, as they cannot accpet people were turning to islam. lets leave it at that!
 
duskiness said:
:rollseyes only this?
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:giggling: that is one post, I think the idea of Islam being spread by the sword has been refuted, many non-muslimsagree that even though some muslims through out history went too far, in many places including in today's times it was spread through peaceful means...
 
WAS ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD?​

Question:
How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?

Answer:
It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have
millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of
force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the
sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible
for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.
Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means
submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is
acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace
and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested
interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for
this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and antisocial
elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the
same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The
fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force
can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.
The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by
the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book “Islam at the cross road” (Page 8):
“History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping
through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races
is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.”

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the
sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to
Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who
could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British
ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia
for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians
i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would
not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

- Dr Zakir Naik​

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It is now a mute point and it is not good to mention the errors of others after they are long gone. But my Mother's ancestors fought against the Crusaders for nearly 400 years. They did conquer our Polish neighbors and forced them into christianity. However Lithuania managed to keep them off. The crusaders did not just go into the Mid-East to "save" the Holy land they also invaded Eastern Europe, the Baltic countries and east ward in an attempt to force the people into Christianity. With the Exception of Lithuania at that time none of those countries had a noticible Muslim population. Lithuanian Nobility was Shared with the Lipkas, (Muslim Tarters) and the Arabic alphabet was used for writing the Lithuanian language. My Mother's ancestors did not convert to Christianity, it was forced down the throats of th Polish neighbors and later when Polan and Lithuania were one country it did spread. The Lipkas were driven out of the country, the mosques except 4 destroyed and by the time of WW1 the last had been exilled to Siberia under Russian rule. Now, there is a resurgence of Islam in Lithuania. About 3,000 Lipkas have returned to Vilnius and Kaunas. The Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet is still used for writing the language, but I suspect the Lipkas will stir up interest for people to return to the Arabic Alphabet.
 
Rehmat said:
The western non-Muslim – both historians and intellectuals are at loss to prove that Islam was spread - not by PEACEFUL MEANS but by SWORD.

Allow me to expose this Jewish Myth in detail:

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah. Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" -: "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the Christian and Jew SERFS (Slaves) to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out over five million Muslims and Jews. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the Adhan.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for a long time. For a few century the British and the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 20 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"
The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword?

Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam - Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?
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Why did you say that about Jews... and the Spanish reconquered Spain, it was their home to begin with...
 
"This is something for which Islam deserves to be praised, not condemned. The defeatists should fear Allaah lest they distort this religion and cause it to become weak on the basis of the claim that it is a religion of peace.

Yes, it is the religion of peace but in the sense of saving all of mankind from worshipping anything other than Allaah and submitting all of mankind to the rule of Allaah. This is the religion of Allaah, not the ideas of any person or the product of human thought, so that those who promote it should feel ashamed to state its ultimate goal, which is that all religion (worship) should be for Allaah alone.

When the ideas that people follow are all produced by human beings and the systems and laws that control their lives are all made up by human beings, then in this case each idea and each system has the right to live safely within its own borders so long as it does not transgress the borders of others, so the various ideas and laws can co-exist and not try to destroy one another.

But when there is a divine system and law, and alongside it there are human systems and laws, then the matter is fundamentally different, and the divine law has the right to remove the barriers and free people from enslavement to human beings…"

Fiqh al-Da’wah by Sayyid Qutb, 217-222
 
Can someone give an interpretation of the following verses:

1. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. (Surah: Al-Baqara, 2:191)

2. O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). ( Surah: Al-Tawba, 9:123)

3. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. ( Surah: Al-Tawba, 9:5)

4. O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand. ( Surah: Al-Anfal, 8:65)

5. So do not follow the unbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it. (Surah:Al-Furqan, 25:52)

6. So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. (Surah: Muhammad, 47:4)
 
salam.

those verse we're revealed during hostile and war situation, which is no way to turn back.

it's sound so nasty is because to encourage muslim to stand and fight!, as you see most war during Prophet lifetime the enemy always outnumbered Muslims,and most of the times muslim will face their own pagan or hypocrite relatives.

Muslim also cannot afford to loose in this beginning stage, Islam is as stake.

that's why they need 'more sounding' encouragement and reassurance.

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MAHATMA GANDHI
Speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh)
says in YOUNG INDIA:

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind..
I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life."

"It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the
scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and
followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in
his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
 
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