wat happened?

Quruxbadaan said:
Originally Posted by doorster
No doubt you are an expert Mohddith and know Quraan and Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH, by heart to reach at this coclusion!

btw you forgot to elaborate how you arrived at this, in Light of Qurranic Ayaat and Ahadith, so could you quote a few and explain the context thereof. thanx in advance

salam
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salaam

it doesnt take a mohadith and an expert or hafiz to come to such a conclusion

i would never call myself such i would never make anyclaims like this however what i do know is that Allah's messenger (pbuh) said in an authentic hadith that the muslims should never befriend the kuffar and what he did is just that

accept their money in exchange for the lives of his brothers in islam

common sense tells me that this is wrong to turn your brothers to an oppressor knowing that they will undergo an unfair trial and that they will suffer and be tormented unjustly and i pray that allah swt the knower of all things side with those who are sincere and do things for his sake and believe in him and submit to him and i pray that he aid those in need of his aid
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do Allah and Rasul say kill, murder, terrorize kuffaar and bring death and destruction upon the Ummah?

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BTW I will NOT discuss with you unless you back-up your claims by giving references from Sunat -e- Rasul and Quraan with context (i.e. the circumstance surrounding the Ayah or Hadith you quote)
 
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listen doorstep ....i dont want to offend u at all and if i have i appologize however i simply disagree with you

there must be a common middle dont kill and terrorize but dont be a two timming spy either

maa salaama
 
this thread has really made me sad.
i apparently don't understand islam the way i thought i did, after all.
i am really confused now. :(
 
snakelegs said:
this thread has really made me sad.
i apparently don't understand islam the way i thought i did, after all.
i am really confused now. :(
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explain that please!

I am getting the impression that you have started to believe that Any terrorist's (or any emotional person, ill-educated in Islam ) opinion is leading you to believe that what they do is Islamic?

Did you read the opinions of educated Brothers as posted by Sr. Al-Muminah?
if not why not?
If yes, then why are you confused?

did you hear speech of Br. shehab posted in an earlier post?

salam

PS. I have added you to my buddy list to enable you to send me PM if you need any further clarification. It is difficult in open as both kafars and terrorist jump in and confuse the issues
 
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In Islam we need to act with justice even if its against our OWN people. If some1 from amongst us is going to harm an innocent, it would be our job to defend them even if it means we have to go against our kin. So dont be confused :D Plus there were plenty of good posts. Dont take in the negative posts only please :)

Please correct me anyone, if I'm wrong InshaAllah.

:sl:
 
doorster said:
explain that please!

I am getting the impression that you have started to believe that Any terrorist's opinion is leading you to believe that what they do is Islamic?

Did you read the opinions of educated Brothers as posted by Sr. Al-Muminah?
if not why not?
If yes, then why are you confused?

did you hear speech of Br. shehab posted in an earlier post?

salam

PS. I have added you to my buddy list to enable you to send me PM if you need any further clarification. It is difficult in open as both kafars and terrorist jump in and confuse the issues
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i just came on line a few minutes ago. no, i haven't yet listened to the talk. i did read al-muminah's post, and this is in complete accord with my knowledge of islam. terrorism is clearly against islam - from everything i have learned.
i am shocked that some here take the position that the guy was wrong. i am doing what i always tell people not to do - judge islam by some of its followers. normally, i have better sense but reading some of the posts - i think i over-reacted. i will listen to the talk now later, as soon as i have a little more time.
i apologise if i have offended anyone.
thanks for the offer to receive my PM's - i may take you up on that.
 
Jazzy said:
In Islam we need to act with justice even if its against our OWN people. If some1 from amongst us is going to harm an innocent, it would be our job to defend them even if it means we have to go against our kin. So dont be confused :D Plus there were plenty of good posts. Dont take in the negative posts only please :)

Please correct me anyone, if I'm wrong InshaAllah.

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yes - i was guilty of this because the negative ones upset me, they completely overshadowed the other posts.
what you wrote above is my understanding of islam.
 
Re: "How Terrorists Think" - Ahmad Shehab

doorster said:
:sl: @ Muslims
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"How Terrorists Think" is a powerful lecture given by Ahmad Shehab, graduate of "Citizen Academy" held by Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). Includes fascinating points about the security of Canada, how CSIS and RCMP are involved. What do Muslims feel about the security of Canada? How about the 17 arrested.. is it a big homegrown surprise.. and WHO is the first victim? We have to deal with the act before the axe hits us on the head.

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i've watched the video - thanks. (the story at the end was amazing). sometimes it is very hard to hear the voice of reason amongst the shouts of un-reason. (?) my apologies to those here who refuted them, that i did not hear your voices when i first glanced through this thread.
personally, i don't have an opinion about the 17 men or the informant - it was the principle that upset me - that if a muslim did know for sure that a fellow muslim was going to kill innocent people, he should not go to the authorities and report him - i found some of the comments here disturbing.
what you wrote above is absolutely true. anyone who does terrorist acts brings more suffering to his fellow muslims, more hate and fear and distrust, and worse, may be putting his fellow muslims' very lives at risk.
i think the muslims who think that it is wrong to go to the authorities if you know that some muslims are about to kill people should maybe ask themselves if they should be living in a non-muslim country in the first place.
 
jazakAllah khair sis umm sulaim, yes i think the brother did the right thing now :)

i just wish he waited tlil they went really extreme, in the video he called them "fruitcakes"... i wonder if they ever would have really done it.


Allahu a'lam...


jazakAllah khair for all responces :)
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
jazakAllah khair sis umm sulaim, yes i think the brother did the right thing now :)

i just wish he waited tlil they went really extreme, in the video he called them "fruitcakes"... i wonder if they ever would have really done it.

Allahu a'lam...

jazakAllah khair for all responces :)
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How long do you think he should have waited???
Might it not be too late by then, and people have already lost their lives?

Peace
 
glo said:
How long do you think he should have waited???
Might it not be too late by then, and people have already lost their lives?

Peace
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think about it, he was in their company, he could have waited to see if they actually act all the whilst trying to defer them from committing such acts, but it seems that he didnt try much and just reported them... i dont kno...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
jazakAllah khair sis umm sulaim, yes i think the brother did the right thing now :)

i just wish he waited tlil they went really extreme, in the video he called them "fruitcakes"... i wonder if they ever would have really done it.


Allahu a'lam...


jazakAllah khair for all responces :)
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Is there some reason that you seam to come to the conclusion that "Fruitcakes" and "Murders" and mutually exclusive?

Also, is it your intention to minimize what they wanted to do?
 
wilberhum said:
Is there some reason that you seam to come to the conclusion that "Fruitcakes" and "Murders" and mutually exclusive?
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i dont think fruitcakes are capable of murders, that should have been obvious

Also, is it your intention to minimize what they wanted to do?
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i just cant stop wondering if they really would have done anything...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i dont think fruitcakes are capable of murders, that should have been obvious


i just cant stop wondering if they really would have done anything...
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I think it is only logical that fruitcakes are more likely to do anti social behavior.
You know, like killing people. :muddlehea

But I sure don't want to wait till they kill someone to find out who is right. :thumbs_do
 
wilberhum said:
I think it is only logical that fruitcakes are more likely to do anti social behavior.
You know, like killing people. :muddlehea
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you really think so? i was always under the impression that fruitcakes are harmless

But I sure don't want to wait till they kill someone to find out who is right. :thumbs_do
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they wouldnt have, as soon as they planned on doing anything (serious) the man could have reported them.

but he even admitted they were fruitcakes, "sleeping cells" i think he used that word....

for all i kno he could think im a sleeping cell.

and i assure you, i have no intention whatso ever to harm any innocent human but i am sick at the oppression and may speak in a manner which would indicate otherwise at times...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
you really think so? i was always under the impression that fruitcakes are harmless



they wouldnt have, as soon as they planned on doing anything (serious) the man could have reported them.

but he even admitted they were fruitcakes, "sleeping cells" i think he used that word....

for all i kno he could think im a sleeping cell.

and i assure you, i have no intention whatso ever to harm any innocent human but i am sick at the oppression and may speak in a manner which would indicate otherwise at times...
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Since he was there and he saw what was happening I think he was the best judge of what to do. I'm not going to second guess him when I have less than 1% of the information.
 

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