We are not required to wear Hijab- please help me refute

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Medina83 said:
also on a different point , i would just say that i think saying 'marriageable' men is a bit dangerous ...because non-Muslims are not marriageable for us so one could say then that we could not wear it in front of non-muslim men.....which is of course untrue.....hope you don't mind me saying so :-)
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I thought word "strangers" would cover that situation

my apologies for confusing the issue, any how good luck, henceforth I'll keep shtum.

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NoName55 said:
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also remember that it is not possible to change a person's mind with constant argument. or to make them think (even unintentionaly) that every thing they held dear for so long is false.

In this situation the only solution I see is love, yes love them and show it thru deed and action (yes, even in face of abuse)

A person used to empty a trash can on Prophet of Allah on his way to Mosque. one day it did not happen and Rasul Allah became worried about the well being of the abuser and went to enquire about that person,s health.

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Yes you are right...I have not been angry with them in my response just pleading with them to understand, but i will give them time and hopefully it will sink in. I don't live with them so i hope i can get an opportunity to show them how much i love them, its upsetting for them i know , and i feel guilty for hurting them..thanks for your post, its really an excellent inspiration to me.

Jazak Allah
 
NoName55 said:
I try my best to keep away from sites like islamqa.com for I fear that they could pose danger to my eemaan
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What?! How so? Just because they favour the niqaab opinion doesn't mean they are a threat to anyones imaan!

Medina83 said:
also on a different point , i would just say that i think saying 'marriageable' men is a bit dangerous ...because non-Muslims are not marriageable for us so one could say then that we could not wear it in front of non-muslim men.....which is of course untrue.....hope you don't mind me saying so :-)
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You should say permanently non-marriagable, that is more accurate, while we can't marry non-muslim men, they have the potential to become marriagable if they convert to Islam, whereas a relative is always a relative and we can't change that.

(Is marriagable even a word?:? )
 
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What?! How so? Just because they favour the niqaab opinion doesn't mean they are a threat to anyones imaan!
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:w:I take it that you have not read all his "fatawah".

Read them all then we'll talk

(Is marriagable even a word?
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[SIZE=-1]marriageable:
of girls or women who are eligible to marry
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/SIZE]
 
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NoName55 said:
:w:I take it that you have not read all his "fatawah".
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Only a super human could read all the fatwa on his website... :rollseyes

Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean you should think badly of him.
 
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I can't afford to get another 40 infraction points because there are a lot of good people on this site that I'll miss. There are not many decent websites that I can migrate to. so I am not going to say another word to you about this matter.
 
Wearing the Hijab, like many other things, is open to interperations. You can read a verse, and either interperate it your own way. But the best thing to do is to look at the Prophet and his hadiths regarding it. In the Quran it tells you to: Follow the Quran, the Prophet, and those invested with knowledge (of Islam). If you cannot figure it out from the Quran, second action is to look at what the Holy Prophet says about it.

Then you have to believe in it, if you don't believe, then don't do it... but if you believe, then let nobody tell you otherwise!!!

Wish you the best,

Kidman
 
Salam Alay Koom:

My Sister(s) Qur'an is it's own Argument and Answer and Command.

Does anything Override or Contradict the Qur'an? No.

Go get an Arabic Dictionary and look up the actual word: Khimar. It is a face veil. I do not have to give you the verse, because you know it: Draw the Veil across their bosoms. It did not say "Niqab". To be more specific, the word is Khumurihinna, making it clearly a female face veil.

Question? Do the tell Nuns to remove their headpiece / "Hijab"? Then you can wear your Hijab and Khimar.

What is usually the most beautiful part of a woman? <I>Her Face</I>. So do what The God says.

Who is more important? the Humanity that you might be here with from zero to maybe a hundred or so years, or The God who you are trying to be with <I>Forever</I>?

Allah Makes the Law our job is to follow it (Q 6:155-156... I would say the whole section) it also tells you to beware of those who would beguile- trick you from what is sent down (Q 5:52)

There is also a place that deals with when your family wants you to do other than what The God says (Q 29:8).

Be Muslim.

Salam Alay Koom
 
Medina83 said:
Ok I looked at the link, the evidence it provides are that niqab is obligatory not just hijab.

So I am still doing wrong then just wearing hijab?

I can't provide this as evidence to them unless I wear niqab and it was hard enough to put on the hijab , I don't think I can manage niqab :cry:
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Sis i wonder if u realized what u jus said.

You said u could only use that as evidence if u were wearing niqab. Niqab is a step further than Hijab. And when ur wearing niqab, ur also covering your hair. It wouldnt make sense to wear niqab with your hair uncovered :X So I'm pretty sure u can use it :)

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I think what she meant was that in order to convince them, she would have to actually wear the niqab to prove her point, and she's not ready to do something like that.

Here's my advice, sister, and I hope it helps: I think that you are very courageous and your courage is to be admired for taking a step towards Allah even with this great obstacle. May Allah help you get through this (hopefully very short) part of your life. One very important thing to keep in mind is to keep your relationship with your parents as good as possible. If you were very close before you became Muslim, become even closer now. Show them that you love them, that you appreciate them, that your love for them will go on forever, ...they are your parents, the ones who brought you up from when you were born. So show them how much you love them, go spend a lot of time with them, buy them gifts, help them around the house, etc. They will not be convinced of your decision by your words as you've said a few times in this thread, but by the kindness in your actions.

My mother is also a revert and her parents (my grandparents) weren't very happy about the hijab either, but they accepted it, and pretty quickly too. It's hard for non-Muslims to understand the use of it, so don't argue with them or try to convince them. Just be civilized and "agree to disagree". They will accept your decision before long insha-Allah. Nobody wants to be in a conflict forever. Just try your best to show them that you love them, and that your decision to become a Muslimah is something positive.

As for the niqab, Allahu 3alam, but I definetely think you should postpone thinking about that for some time. Get comfortable in your hijab first, however long it might take, and then when you're ready to move on, start investigating the matter of niqab and whether it's a must or not. So my advice is to just leave the niqab issue for now.

Peace sister, and may Allah reward you for your effort :)
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Salam Alay Koom:

From:
The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Arabic
Edited by J.M. Cowan
(sometimes referred to as the "Cowan's Dictionary")

Page 302 column 2 Word: Khamara
Meaning V

"to ferment, to be in a state of fermentation; to rise (dough);
to veil the head and face (woman)."
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Wortabet's Pocket Dictionary
English-Arabic
Arabic-English
John Wortabet and Harvey Porter


Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Khamar / Yakhmuru:
"To veil, conceal"

Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Takhammara
"To veil the head, face."

Arabic side: page 84: column 1 Word: Khamaaru / Khumur

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These are Dictionaries used by Muslims everyday, I know many who rely on their "Cowan's" alone
either some translators have Failed to do their research, have simply carried on with what someone else has told them, or all the dictionaries need to be "corrected" as to what the veil- khimar means.

I am a Muslim born and raised in America, my own Mother and Step Mother wore the Veil until the aged out of it.

In my family, you had better personally do your research before you express something.

A Scholar is only a Scholar when he is correct. A true Scholar is always a student studying.

Bad Scholars are those who simply "agree" with the line of study given without confirmation.

Always Confirm. That I the way it was in the time of the Prophet (saw). How many people came alway across countries just to confirm things or correct things with Mother of the Believers Aisha(raa)? This also shows that she had status among men and scholar.

If the Command of The God Said that men should wear a veil, guess what?

You would have this same problem.

I would be wearing mine.

I always have to ask (myself usually): when while humanity actually listen to The God, and quit worrying about what some other mortal thinks of it?

A Muslim is one who Obeys The God. You know what a "Veil" is and and "Headscarf". After that you have The Power to Choose /Limited Freewill / Qadri.

I am still waiting for "Them" to tell Nuns to take off their Hijab/ headscarf. Or to run up in those hills of Romania and tell the "Peasant woman" (who dress a lot like Muslims) to take theirs off.

Ma Salam
 
NoName55 said:
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I try my best to keep away from sites like islamqa.com for I fear that they could pose danger to my eemaan
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As much as i hate to agree with you..
..i agree with you. Keep away from Islamqa.com.

* Waiting for the "you're a bloody sufi! Go back to your sufi fatwa sites!" comments to be thrown at me... *
 
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you're a bloody sufi! Go back to your sufi fatwa sites!:raging:

Joking... anyway, if you don't like, no one is forcing you to use it, just don't try to ruin their reputation.
 
Malaikah said:
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you're a bloody sufi! Go back to your sufi fatwa sites!:raging:
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Well... you are a ******... sue me :p

( I am joking too :p )

p.s even before i post this, i bet that W word has been censored :p

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Joking... anyway, if you don't like, no one is forcing you to use it, just don't try to ruin their reputation.
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I was only simply agreeing with NoName55.
 
Medina89, do not let them win the case, trust me, one of the sides at the end with drop the case, so be strong , try to give them arguments , and sometimes they will drop the case and not bother u anymore as they will see that you won't change your mind. Be a stubborn in this case and don't give up.
 
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Yeah, masha Allaah good advice bro vpb ^ it reminds me of a famous companion of Allaah's Messenger (peace be upon him.)


Companion: Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqas:
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While the Prophet was delighted with Sad's acceptance of Islam, others including and especially his mother were not. Sad relates: "When my mother heard the news of my Islam, she flew into a rage. She came up to me and said:

"O Sad! What is this religion that you have embraced which has taken you away from the religion of your mother and father...? By God, either you forsake your new religion or I would not eat or drink until I die. Your heart would be broken with grief for me and remorse would consume you on account of the deed which you have done and people would censure you forever more.'

'Don't do (such a thing), my mother,' I said, 'for I would not give up my religion for anything.'

However, she went on with her threat... For days she neither ate nor drank. She became emaciated and weak. Hour after hour, I went to her asking whether I should bring her some food or something to drink but she persistently refused, insisting that she would neither eat nor drink until she died or I abandoned my religion. I said to her:

'Yaa Ummaah! In spite of my strong love for you, my love for God and His Messenger is indeed stronger. By God, if you had a thousand souls and one soul after another were to depart, I would not abandon this my religion for anything.' When she saw that I was determined she relented unwillingly and ate and drank."

It was concerning Sad's relationship with his mother and her attempt to force him to recant his faith that the words of the Quran were revealed:

And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.

"But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."

[Qur'an Surah Luqman 31: 13-15]
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