We are sorry

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
if the muslims beleive in allah, then allah will always help out his beleivers inshallah, no one is more mighty and powerful than allah
wasalam

 

[Malsidabym]

Mizan_aliashraf, first I want to say that i COMPLETELY agree that the cartoons were very disrespectful. There is no defense for printing that garbage. "the Danish" seems to imply "all of the Danish", many danish people are disgusted with the actions of this newspaper. Also, many danish are practising muslims.

did any kuffar say sorry for the harm and torment they have given to us muslims?

Again, this is very general, "any" kuffar, most non-muslims prefer to live in peace with muslims and are apposed to mistreating muslims. Why would "any kuffar" be sorry for wanting peace?
do police do anythin if a muslim bro gets attacked in the streets?In which country? In my country all are treated the same, I am sorry if not the case where you live.
does anyone do anything when muslims worldwide are suffering at the hands of kuffars? Worldwide protests actually, including western countries, even in the evil empire (i mean the USA). You don't remember the protests? Selective memory?

i have seen it many times myself when a muslim gets attacked and tells the police, the police say they will do something but up untill today they haven't contacted

I am sorry my friend, but in my country as well as yours, the police are lazy. This experience of recieving no help from the police is not unique to muslims, EVERYBODY complains about this. I personally have suffered this many times.

dirty filty kuffar

Now this just smells of arrogance and disdain. This is offensive. If a person has a different view than islam they are "dirty and filthy". This is also against the rules of this forum, as you are calling any non-muslim member dirty and filthy.

As i have already said before, i am not a bigot, extremist or anything else you would wish to call me.

I will not call you anything, this is the meaning of bigot, read it and consider your own way of thinking; Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

They are the ones who kill innocent people.

Muslims kill innocent people too. Even other muslims. We are all guilty, every religion, race, and nationality has killed others in thier own interest.

You want to start dishing the dirt? take a look at yourself and the rest of your godforsaken people.

Again, I won't call you a bigot, but this particular statement is full of hatred and arrogance. By the way, the common use of opium originated in the east and is used widely through all regions (except the far north) of the world today, including europe, north america, the middle east and asia. Not just the west.
Another poster said;

And when muslim publications publish images of Rabbi's eating babies and looking like rats and every possible insult you can imagine, I suppose you don't think you've done anything wrong.

and you responded with this;

No, i dont. Because we havent. Those publications you say of rabbis eating babies and looking like rats are not far from the truth. The state of Israel has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent babies, ive been there and seen it myself, so dont you dare tell me that we portray jews in a bad light.
The sooner Israel is taught a lesson the better.

Wow, you have seen hundreds of thousands of dead babies? You poor man. that must have been awful. I see here a double-standard, you can publish terrible stuff, but others cannot. Hmm. Again also, bigotted statement because I am sure that all jews do not dine on babies. Please stop enciting hatred toward others. It is offensive. This is an Islamic website. And Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace. I think it would be good if I pray for your soul mizan_aliashraf, that you will learn to let go of the hatred, as I am sure that god will not allow such hatred to enter heaven. Peace be with you.

 

[Malsidabym]

Worldwide protests actually, including western countries, even in the evil empire (i mean the USA). You don't remember the protests? Selective memory?

I was refering here to when the US invaded Iraq, there were protests worldwide. Western governments opposed as well. Just to refute the claim that "kuffars" don't speak out when muslims are attacked.

 

[Christian_dove]

Salam
What i want to know is why are muslims apologising to the danish when the danish have not apologised to us?
Wassalam

Who exactly is it you want to hear the apologise from? The editor of newspaper already apologised several days ago. Do you want all danish people to say that they are sorry?

 

[Christian_dove]

Salaam

The majority of muslims don't owe an apology it's the small percentage, plus after remarks from the queen I'm supporting the boycott till we get a full apology from the comic makers and the queen.

The remark from the queen wasn't a remark, it was en error in the translation that came out wrong. The Danish word "Modspil" was translated and given the meaning "oposition" which is wrong. She was just emphasizing the importance of debate/good arguments, nothing more.

 

[Christian_dove]

Salam
Yay Yay, i thought i was heating up - go on bro, he's firing on all cylinders!
We owe the danish nothing! Did the queen make remarks about us? These dirty filthy kuffars will never be happy with us untill we accept their way of life - meaning alcohol, drugs, prostitution and all the other filth the west has given to this world. That is what people like the MCB have to realise. They are sucking up to the government too much. The end will always be humiliation for such people
Wassalam

Do you really believe that all europeans enjoy those things, prostitutes, drugs, alcohol? Isn't that attitude a bit extreme?

 

[Christian_dove]

I was refering here to when the US invaded Iraq, there were protests worldwide. Western governments opposed as well. Just to refute the claim that "kuffars" don't speak out when muslims are attacked.

Not to mention the fact that UN solidiers were sent to former jugoslavia to protect the muslims from christians... Many denish and norwegian soldiers served there..

 

[Umar001]

Salaam

The majority of muslims don't owe an apology it's the small percentage, plus after remarks from the queen I'm supporting the boycott till we get a full apology from the comic makers and the queen.

what did she say?

 

[Sis786]

I personally feel that to resolve this matter the following need to be done,

1. The Denmark Government need to acknowledge that the Cartoons WERE Offensive and that he could understand the frustration and anger of Muslims.
2. He needs to apologise and LOOK LIKE HE MEANS IT
3. Bann his Country from re-publishing the Cartoons
4. Ask other Countries NOT to re-print the Cartoons for the SOLE reason of solidarity to Denmark Press.
5. Acknowledge that these Cartoons were made for the sole purpose of Humiliating the Muslims and Disgracing their Religion
6. AND take those who were involved in making these pictures to COURT.
7. They also need to acknowledge the DIFFERENCE between FREEDOM of Speech and BLASPHEMY

He should also ask for other countries THAT published these cartoons to do the same. Im not saying that this will resolve the matter FULL STOP. But atleast Muslims know that the Denmark Goverment are taking some Responsibility.

 

[UmmKhadi]

But what does the government has to do with a newspaper? Its freedom of press here, the governemnt dont read through newspapers before its printed. Why isnt the apology of the publisher enough?

 

[Sis786]

But what does the government has to do with a newspaper? Its freedom of press here, the governemnt dont read through newspapers before its printed. Why isnt the apology of the publisher enough?

The Goverment has a responisiblty of what is happening in thier Country! Imagine if HUNDREDS of Danish people were killed because of this DONT you think the Goverment would be responsible then. All Goverments must ensure that thier Counrty and Members are safe. The Danish Goverment has put thier own people at risk due to thier IGNORANCE.

If the Joradan Goverment can stand up and apologise they WHY cant the Danish.

 

[Ghazi]

what did she say?

Salaam

Don't wanna go off topic, do a search and you'll find it.

 

[UmmKhadi]

The Goverment has a responisiblty of what is happening in thier Country! Imagine if HUNDREDS of Danish people were killed because of this DONT you think the Goverment would be responsible then. All Goverments must ensure that thier Counrty and Members are safe. The Danish Goverment has put thier own people at risk due to thier IGNORANCE.

If the Joradan Goverment can stand up and apologise they WHY cant the Danish.

The difference is that in Denmark its a "Democracy" and with the freedom of press, comes responsability. The Norwegian Prime minister did not really say he was sorry himself, because he dont feel responsible for what some extremist right-winged christian magazine did, but he is sorry that it was printed because it destroys the relation between muslims and nonmuslims living in Norway. In Denmark, people are different than Norwegians, they are more conservative politically, and they dont back off easilly.

I still dont think its a states responsability. The publisher of the "Jyllandsposten" did this on his own. They can print what they want, the Government has no say, unless they did something illegal. Newspapers here are private, not owned by governments.

 

[TSpot]

Imagine if HUNDREDS of Danish people were killed because of this DONT you think the Goverment would be responsible then. All Goverments must ensure that thier Counrty and Members are safe. The Danish Goverment has put thier own people at risk due to thier IGNORANCE.

The ignorance comes on the part of those who think that the Danish government supports, condones or even has anything to do with the cartoons. That is not the way a free press works. Even if hundreds are killed as a result, that is the responsibility of those who killed them. People are not made safe from governmental censorship of the press or appeasement of terrorists.

 

[sotahoro]

I personally feel that to resolve this matter the following need to be done,

1. The Denmark Government need to acknowledge that the Cartoons WERE Offensive and that he could understand the frustration and anger of Muslims.
2. He needs to apologise and LOOK LIKE HE MEANS IT
3. Bann his Country from re-publishing the Cartoons
4. Ask other Countries NOT to re-print the Cartoons for the SOLE reason of solidarity to Denmark Press.
5. Acknowledge that these Cartoons were made for the sole purpose of Humiliating the Muslims and Disgracing their Religion
6. AND take those who were involved in making these pictures to COURT.
7. They also need to acknowledge the DIFFERENCE between FREEDOM of Speech and BLASPHEMY

It's not very wise to give demands that will never be satisfied. If the demands were reasonable, we might get an end to this insident.

 

[Ghazi]

It's not very wise to give demands that will never be satisfied. If the demands were reasonable, we might get an end to this insident.

Salaam

They seem reasonable to me

 

[TSpot]

Salaam

They seem reasonable to me

Some are, but most simply can't be done

3. Bann his Country from re-publishing the Cartoons

This can't be done in a country with a free press. I am not an expert on Danish law, but it would clearly be unconsitutional in the US

4. Ask other Countries NOT to re-print the Cartoons for the SOLE reason of solidarity to Denmark Press.

Sure they could do that, but I doubt there would be any effect. Many countries have already printed them in solidarity with the Danish press. Also, many 'buy Danish' campaigns have sprung up in response to the violence. The question of solidarity is an interesting one. It would have been an non-issue if radical Muslims had not taken this campaign out of Europe (and added cartoons that were not ever published).

5. Acknowledge that these Cartoons were made for the sole purpose of Humiliating the Muslims and Disgracing their Religion

How can he do that? It is probably not even true. I will never know why they were made but I would guess it was probably a combination of political aims and to juxtapose the true beliefs of Islam with the tactics used by radicals.

6. AND take those who were involved in making these pictures to COURT.

Can't be done. It is not illegal

7. They also need to acknowledge the DIFFERENCE between FREEDOM of Speech and BLASPHEMY

Blasphemy is protected speech. Religions are ridiculed all the time. Remember the "Piss Christ" debacle? Heck that was even put on with U.S. government funds. People are free to protest, complain to their politicians, etc. but violence is not the way.

Violence, in fact, it is creating the backlash right now. I could give you hundreds of links, most from mainstream media outlets that never would have heard of much less published the cartoons who are now doing so (I won't since they would offend). I can understand the outcry, the protests and the boycott. Once violence was used, opinion was once again polarized against those who used it.

 

[abdullahi]

Read the news and they you know what she said, man.



I think I as a dirty filty kuffar will be quite happy to accept your strange ways when you start behaving like reasonable people and stop the bigots from preventing our cultures to live side by side in co-operation.

By the way, did you know has much heroin Afghanistan, a muslim country, has produced? 87% of all heroin has been said to be produced there.

dude, do u think its a mere coincidence that heroin production has increased 800% in afghanistan during the us invasion? could the CIA have a hand in this?

refer to:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/lies_about_taliban_heroin.htm -robert fisk's the man!
http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/97-08 AUG/ciacovert.html -written by well-known uni prof.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1556521251/002-0610322-4526448?v=glance&n=283155 - great book
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html
http://www.ciadrugs.com/



http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/qdimu.html -excerpts from Financial Times (London)

 

[Ken Nielsen]

Salam
What i want to know is why are muslims apologising to the danish when the danish have not apologised to us?
Wassalam

Hi,

This is my first post. I am an American Christian and wanted to respond to the above. Muslims loose no face by speaking out against wrong behavior. It is only a blessing to hear Muslims support moderate behavior in reaction to being slighted in a cartoon. As a Christian, I hear 'oh jesus this' and 'oh jesus that' as a swearing term by unthinking people. Yes it hurts to have your faith slighted or used in swearing, but one must remember that people who do this are really not aware of what they are saying, or they would not do it.

Being a graphic artist by profession, I am well acquainted with what 'art' is and what 'free expression' is also. Much of what I see as 'free expression' is terribly offensive, but, under the better judgement of men, such expression is allowed to take place. Those who offend others will learn the price of making offense by their own experience, we can only hope. It is going to far to take to the streets and burning buildings and killing people as a retribution for hurt feelings.

I will leave my comment on this at that. I do get the impression that this is a forum filled with good people who show respect for each other and for humanity at large. I would like to honor that.

Thank you for keeping a forum like this open and available to those who wish to stop by and make a comment.


Ken

 

[Ghazi]

Hi,

This is my first post. I am an American Christian and wanted to respond to the above. Muslims loose no face by speaking out against wrong behavior. It is only a blessing to hear Muslims support moderate behavior in reaction to being slighted in a cartoon. As a Christian, I hear 'oh jesus this' and 'oh jesus that' as a swearing term by unthinking people. Yes it hurts to have your faith slighted or used in swearing, but one must remember that people who do this are really not aware of what they are saying, or they would not do it.

Being a graphic artist by profession, I am well acquainted with what 'art' is and what 'free expression' is also. Much of what I see as 'free expression' is terribly offensive, but, under the better judgement of men, such expression is allowed to take place. Those who offend others will learn the price of making offense by their own experience, we can only hope. It is going to far to take to the streets and burning buildings and killing people as a retribution for hurt feelings.

I will leave my comment on this at that. I do get the impression that this is a forum filled with good people who show respect for each other and for humanity at large. I would like to honor that.

Thank you for keeping a forum like this open and available to those who wish to stop by and make a comment.


Ken

Salaam

Why haven't you done something about people Talking about 'Isa'(Jesues) in a bad way, this is a question I should be asking my self and the rest of the muslims on this fourm.