We need to watch our reactions over the cartoon issue

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ofcourse prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had enemies in he's time, and not just him. Allah says in the qur'aan
"There never came a prophet onto the people whom they did not mock!"
Approximatly 124,000 prophets were sent down onto this earth, they all had enemies and they all suffered mockery and hardship from the unbelivers but dear brother Sameer my point is are any one of those 124,000 prophets still being mocked and in anyway hated in this day and age??? I think not!!!!Instead beloved prophets like Jesus and Noah and Aadam are highly respected in many belifes ....why? because the followers protray them as so.
Today due to these extremists who behead, murder, commit suicide and kill innocent men women and children in THE NAME OF ALLAH AND HE"S PROPHET (SAW) we the ummah have to indure painfull cartoons dipicting the prophet (SAW) with a bomb on he's head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on brother Samir surely these mindless murderers are 100 percent to be blamed.
 
muslimaprincess said:
ofcourse prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had enemies in he's time, and not just him. Allah says in the qur'aan
"There never came a prophet onto the people whom they did not mock!"
Approximatly 124,000 prophets were sent down onto this earth, they all had enemies and they all suffered mockery and hardship from the unbelivers but dear brother Sameer my point is are any one of those 124,000 prophets still being mocked and in anyway hated in this day and age??? I think not!!!!Instead beloved prophets like Jesus and Noah and Aadam are highly respected in many belifes ....why? because the followers protray them as so.
Today due to these extremists who behead, murder, commit suicide and kill innocent men women and children in THE NAME OF ALLAH AND HE"S PROPHET (SAW) we the ummah have to indure painfull cartoons dipicting the prophet (SAW) with a bomb on he's head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on brother Samir surely these mindless murderers are 100 percent to be blamed.
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As I remember some fundamentalists added cartoons to inflaim more hate.
The ummah have to indure painfull cartoons dipicting the prophet (SAW) with a bomb on he's head as long as freespeach laws allow it. Sad but true.
 
muslimaprincess said:
ofcourse prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had enemies in he's time, and not just him. Allah says in the qur'aan
"There never came a prophet onto the people whom they did not mock!"
Approximatly 124,000 prophets were sent down onto this earth, they all had enemies and they all suffered mockery and hardship from the unbelivers but dear brother Sameer my point is are any one of those 124,000 prophets still being mocked and in anyway hated in this day and age??? I think not!!!!Instead beloved prophets like Jesus and Noah and Aadam are highly respected in many belifes ....why? because the followers protray them as so.
Today due to these extremists who behead, murder, commit suicide and kill innocent men women and children in THE NAME OF ALLAH AND HE"S PROPHET (SAW) we the ummah have to indure painfull cartoons dipicting the prophet (SAW) with a bomb on he's head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on brother Samir surely these mindless murderers are 100 percent to be blamed.
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Errrr..i think u need to wake up. Offcourse the prophets are still mocked. How many degrading comics u see about Jesus? and moses in movies? and offcourse pictures of prophet Muhammad (saw). Howmany jokes u hear concerning them?

The hate will always be there. U think if all the fundamentalist got killed, ppl wont hate muslims still? they will only stop hating islam until it is watered down and mixed with secularism.

The hate may be fueled by the acts of some of these "fundamentalists"....but u have to be naieve to think that the hate didnt exist b4. eg....ppl have lived amonst muslims their entire lives and are friend with them....but soon as something happens they look at their muslim neighbors as terrorist, even though theyve know them all their lives (ie the hate/mistrust was always there otherwise they would have given their former beloved neighbors the benefit of the doubt). Look at what happened in Kosovo...what fundametalist had to do with that? that was pure hate.

And yes as MTAFFI said...hate existed b4 Muhammad.
 
wilberhum said:
As I remember some fundamentalists added cartoons to inflaim more hate.
The ummah have to indure painfull cartoons dipicting the prophet (SAW) with a bomb on he's head as long as freespeach laws allow it. Sad but true.
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I don't like what you say, but I admit that you're right. This whole situation is like being mired in quicksand - the more you struggle, the worse it gets. The best thing is to just stay calm and keep your wits about you.

And before certain members attack me, I don't mean us Muslims should sacrifice our beliefs. I'm saying we should use our heads, rather than lose our heads.
 
Muezzin said:
I don't like what you say, but I admit that you're right. This whole situation is like being mired in quicksand - the more you struggle, the worse it gets. The best thing is to just stay calm and keep your wits about you.

And before certain members attack me, I don't mean us Muslims should sacrifice our beliefs. I'm saying we should use our heads, rather than lose our heads.
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good point
 
Salam

Nobody had the right to so openly abuse the Prophet and then claim "Freedom of speech". Please take a closer look at Article 10:

Article 10

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

The Media were highly irresponsable and jepordized alot of public safety for both Muslim and non Muslim civilians, This type of thing should have been "subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others".

So even the gorverments are guilty of not preventing this. Furthermore :

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny. In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten. Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said:

"I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."


The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."

"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."

But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.

"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.

"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."

The decision smacks of "double-standards", said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.

"How can Jyllands-Posten distinguish the two cases? Surely they must understand," Mr Akkari added.
 
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Erundur said:
I had read this hadith from another site (don't know if I'm allowed to link to it) and it clearly somes up what the Prophet (pbuh) might have done and I feel that it completely goes with the beginning post.

“You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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how sane!
some just don't seem to get it that every time muslims react to a provocation with violence, they are playing right into the hands of their own worst enemies.
 
Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998.

The cartoon issue affected the Human Rights of the Muslims, and the non Muslims as a result.
 
Andaraawus said:
Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998.

The cartoon issue affected the Human Rights of the Muslims, and the non Muslims as a result.
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I'm still trying to figure out produced Article 10.
Was it the UK, US, UN, or someone else?
What is there athority to enforce Article 10?
 
wilberhum said:
I'm still trying to figure out produced Article 10.
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He is speaking about European Convention on Human Rights form 1950
Was it the UK, US, UN, or someone else?
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Council of Europe
What is there athority to enforce Article 10?
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all courts in States Parties have to apply it. usually befor national law (simply speaking...). If it didn't help you can turn to European Court of Human Rights.
But this article is aim to protect and strenghten freedom of speech! So i see no way ,that it could be said that cartoons violated human rights :?
 
But this article is aim to protect and strenghten freedom of speech! So i see no way that it could said that cartoons violated human rights
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Exactly, insulting is not a violation of human rights.
 
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others,

now why would they state the underlined?
 
The cartoon protests really threw a monkeywrench at the concept that Islam is a "Religion of Peace." The Pope protests did even further damage. Churches were burned and a nun shot down in cold blood, because the Pope quoted a Middle Ages emperor who said that Islam was a violent religion. Seems to me, Muslims proved the point with their violent reaction to his words.

Is there a plan to dig out of the hole your fellow Muslims are rapidly digging for you? If you oppose the terrorists, you need to make your opposition loud and clear. Right now, we're only hearing what the terrorists have to say.
 

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