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Yes the Scriptures refer to Jesus and Moses.
we shall worship none but God
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Yes the Scriptures refer to Jesus and Moses.
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No not you. I mention Born Again Christians because they are the only denomination that see Jesus to be God. I know Christians from my local Church they do not say Jesus is God, but the Son.
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What about Easter Orthodox, Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Lutherans, Methodists, Reformed, Baptists, Pentecostals.....? the list is long. They all hold that Jesus was God. Believing that Jesus is God is one of most typical beliefs Christians have. Only a few don't believe it. Many Christians also say that you can't be a Christian without believing it!!
Father is God, Son is God and Holy Spirit is God. One God. (...that's a bit boring to repeat, but nobody said Trinity is easy :giggling: ). When we say "Father" we mean "God", when we say "Son" - also, when "Holy Spirit" - the same; we are still speaking about God. One God
unless your "local Christians" are Jehovah Witnesses...
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What about Easter Orthodox, Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Lutherans, Methodists, Reformed, Baptists, Pentecostals.....? the list is long. They all hold that Jesus was God. Believing that Jesus is God is one of most typical beliefs Christians have. Only a few don't believe it. Many Christians also say that you can't be a Christian without believing it!!
Father is God, Son is God and Holy Spirit is God. One God. (...that's a bit boring to repeat, but nobody said Trinity is easy :giggling: ). When we say "Father" we mean "God", when we say "Son" - also, when "Holy Spirit" - the same; we are still speaking about God. One God
unless your "local Christians" are Jehovah Witnesses...
I know they are not Jehovah Witnesses. All though i do like a good old banter wit them when they come knocking. - As for the above mentioned. I don't know. It's just my local church with a vicar. Have no idea what denomination they fall under. I just see them as Christians.
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Salaam/peace;
---- pl. explain more. If possible , share the verses or give link . Thanks
---- pl. explain more. If possible , share the verses or give link . Thanks
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Salaam/peace;
CONCEPT OF GOD IN MAJOR RELIGIONS
---Dr. Zakir Naik
(Back Ground Azaan, By Brother Yusuf Islam)
.........It reminds me of an incident where Maulana Rahmatullah Karanvi - he was having a discussion with a Christian missionary, who was trying to prove to Maulana Shahib that ‘Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is God Almighty, and that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for the sins of human beings’.
After a great deal of time, without any results, the discussion was continued. Later on, the servant of Maulana Shahib, he comes and whispers something in the Maulana’s ears.
The Maulana’s face becomes sad - he starts crying.
The Christian missionary asks, ‘Maulana Shahib, ‘what is the bad news?’.
The Maulana Shahib said in a very sad tone, ‘My servant, he just gave me information, - he brought news, that Arch Angel Gabriel - he died’.
The Christian missionary began to laugh loudly.
‘Maulana Shahib, you being such an intelligent person, how can you believe in such absurd things – Can Angels die?’
The Maulana Shahib said, ‘When God can die, why can’t Angels die?’ And the Christian missionary, without speaking a single word, he left – It is a battle of wits.
Lets discuss – ‘The Concept of Almighty God in Islam’.
The best answer that any one can give you, regarding ‘the Concept of Almighty God in Islam’, is quote to you the Surah of the Holy Qur’an,
Surah Ikhlas, Ch.No. 112, V.No. 1 to 4, which says… (Arabic)…. ‘Say He is Allah, One and only’. (Arabic)…
‘Allah the Absolute and Eternal’. ‘As-Samad’ is a bit difficult to translate - It means, that ‘He exists’, and ‘He has created things, when nothing existed’.
Everything and every person is dependent on Him, but he is not dependent on any person, or anything.
‘As Samad’ – ‘The Absolute and Eternal’ (Arabic….) ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’,(Arabic….) ‘There is nothing like Him’.
This is a four line definition of Allah Subhana Wa Talaah, which is the touch stone of Theology - Surah Iklas, is the touch stone of Theology.
‘Theo’ in greek means God – ‘Logy’ mean study. ‘Theology’ means study of God.
Surah Ikhlas is the touchstone of Theology.
CONCEPT OF GOD IN MAJOR RELIGIONS
---Dr. Zakir Naik
(Back Ground Azaan, By Brother Yusuf Islam)
.........It reminds me of an incident where Maulana Rahmatullah Karanvi - he was having a discussion with a Christian missionary, who was trying to prove to Maulana Shahib that ‘Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is God Almighty, and that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for the sins of human beings’.
After a great deal of time, without any results, the discussion was continued. Later on, the servant of Maulana Shahib, he comes and whispers something in the Maulana’s ears.
The Maulana’s face becomes sad - he starts crying.
The Christian missionary asks, ‘Maulana Shahib, ‘what is the bad news?’.
The Maulana Shahib said in a very sad tone, ‘My servant, he just gave me information, - he brought news, that Arch Angel Gabriel - he died’.
The Christian missionary began to laugh loudly.
‘Maulana Shahib, you being such an intelligent person, how can you believe in such absurd things – Can Angels die?’
The Maulana Shahib said, ‘When God can die, why can’t Angels die?’ And the Christian missionary, without speaking a single word, he left – It is a battle of wits.
Lets discuss – ‘The Concept of Almighty God in Islam’.
The best answer that any one can give you, regarding ‘the Concept of Almighty God in Islam’, is quote to you the Surah of the Holy Qur’an,
Surah Ikhlas, Ch.No. 112, V.No. 1 to 4, which says… (Arabic)…. ‘Say He is Allah, One and only’. (Arabic)…
‘Allah the Absolute and Eternal’. ‘As-Samad’ is a bit difficult to translate - It means, that ‘He exists’, and ‘He has created things, when nothing existed’.
Everything and every person is dependent on Him, but he is not dependent on any person, or anything.
‘As Samad’ – ‘The Absolute and Eternal’ (Arabic….) ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’,(Arabic….) ‘There is nothing like Him’.
This is a four line definition of Allah Subhana Wa Talaah, which is the touch stone of Theology - Surah Iklas, is the touch stone of Theology.
‘Theo’ in greek means God – ‘Logy’ mean study. ‘Theology’ means study of God.
Surah Ikhlas is the touchstone of Theology.
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The best God is the Sun.
It gives me life.
My world revolves around it, literally.
Most important, it clearly exists, for all to behold.
Seriously though, if you trace the roots of most religions back you will find that most of them are derived from sun worship and seasons. Christianity and Judaism both came out of the region of ancient Egypt and are heavily influenced by the zodiac.
It gives me life.
My world revolves around it, literally.
Most important, it clearly exists, for all to behold.
Seriously though, if you trace the roots of most religions back you will find that most of them are derived from sun worship and seasons. Christianity and Judaism both came out of the region of ancient Egypt and are heavily influenced by the zodiac.
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Just to point out, as a 'neutral' on this one, that I find the concept of the Trinity reasonable (from a theistic standpoint), easy to understand and happily monotheistic. I really don't understand why muslims have such trouble with it, even if, obviously, they can't agree with it. Three aspects of the same, one, thing - what's the problem?
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Teen Dayv Ayk Sang Laa-ay.
Forsake the trinity, and attach yourself to the One God. (Bhagat Kabir)
Forsake the trinity, and attach yourself to the One God. (Bhagat Kabir)
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umm... im sorry if im misunderstanding but im guessing you either think the allmighty who created the universe in such perfection and holds the heavens and the earths came to earth in a feeble form of a human who ended up dying or you believe that God can seperate himself into three parts and still comes to earth.
im sorry but i see nothing but numerous flaws in this logic, how can this be? please help me understand how you can believe this
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Salaam/peace;
problem is if u write in ur exam script that 3=1 , u will fail in this world ; if u believe in Trinity u will fail in the test of hereafter.
Muslims give much importance on the life hereafter & don't want to fail there , so avoid this concept .
Trinity is called as a mystery. If it's easy to understand , then why it's called as mystery ?
If it's a mystery , then it can not be understand easily .
Do u understand Hindu's Trinity ? One diety was running to save his own life from a man who wanted to kill him , another diety came to rescue him & disguised himself as a beautiful woman & after a trick could save his life. :uuh:
Do u understand how a diety can be All powerful but unable to save his own life ?laying:
I don't understand this kind of story & miserably failed to swallow Trinity . BTW , do Buddhist believe in God Almighty ? Is Lord Buddha God ?
problem is if u write in ur exam script that 3=1 , u will fail in this world ; if u believe in Trinity u will fail in the test of hereafter.
Muslims give much importance on the life hereafter & don't want to fail there , so avoid this concept .
Trinity is called as a mystery. If it's easy to understand , then why it's called as mystery ?
If it's a mystery , then it can not be understand easily . Do u understand Hindu's Trinity ? One diety was running to save his own life from a man who wanted to kill him , another diety came to rescue him & disguised himself as a beautiful woman & after a trick could save his life. :uuh:
Do u understand how a diety can be All powerful but unable to save his own life ?
laying: I don't understand this kind of story & miserably failed to swallow Trinity . BTW , do Buddhist believe in God Almighty ? Is Lord Buddha God ?
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The trinity is nowhere near simple. It confuddles the entire idea of the Jesus story.
Without the trinity, the Jesus story is at least coherent (and copied from earlier mythological stories). It has the Son of the God loving the mortals and sacrificing himself to convince his father to forgive the mortals for their sins. That is a coherent story.
Add the trinity, and now you've got God sacrificing himself to himself to convince himself to change his own mind. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jesus' sacrifice becomes a mere ritual, and a violent one at that. One has to wonder why God couldn't simply have shouted from the heavens "I forgive, now be good you silly humans!" Apparently God likes the theatrics and having people die.
Without the trinity, the Jesus story is at least coherent (and copied from earlier mythological stories). It has the Son of the God loving the mortals and sacrificing himself to convince his father to forgive the mortals for their sins. That is a coherent story.
Add the trinity, and now you've got God sacrificing himself to himself to convince himself to change his own mind. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jesus' sacrifice becomes a mere ritual, and a violent one at that. One has to wonder why God couldn't simply have shouted from the heavens "I forgive, now be good you silly humans!" Apparently God likes the theatrics and having people die.