West training Syrian rebels in Jordan Exclusive: UK and French instructors involved

[سيف الله]

Salaam

I thought you wanted them to start helping the rebels?

Oh dear .

You really believe that Western powers want to 'help' the people of Syria achieve liberation. Given their past record can you perhaps understand why some may come to a rather different conclusion

Junon isn't a Sunni Muslim why would he want them to be helped?

Wow, wow, wow, hold on there, I am most definitely a Sunni Muslim. (Hanafi school).

For the record I am for the liberation of Syria, no lover of Assad given his horrendous record and want him and his inner circle to leave. So I’m not against armed resistance.

Having said that given what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan I think efforts must be focused on trying to achieve a peace settlement that the Syrian people will want and will agree to.

Asking help from Western powers is a dangerous game to play. It’s like making a Faustian Pact. Sure they will help you but they will demand a price.

Are the Syrian people willing to pay that price?

 

[جوري]

Wow, wow, wow, hold on there, I am most definitely a Sunni Muslim. (Hanafi school).

Ok :alhamd:

For the record I am for the liberation of Syria, no lover of Assad given his horrendous record and want him and his inner circle to leave. So I’m not against armed resistance.

Glad to hear of it!

Having said that given what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan I think efforts must be focused on trying to achieve a peace settlement that the Syrian people will want and will agree to.

كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْقِتَالُ وَهُوَ كُرْهٌ لَكُمْ ۖ وَعَسَىٰ أَنْ تَكْرَهُوا شَيْئًا وَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ ۖ وَعَسَىٰ أَنْ تُحِبُّوا شَيْئًا وَهُوَ شَرٌّ لَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ {216}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:216] Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

Asking help from Western powers is a dangerous game to play. It’s like making a Faustian Pact. Sure they will help you but they will demand a price.

That's not something the free army has asked for and for that precise reason the U.S has put them on their extremist **** list!

Are the Syrian people willing to pay that price?

they already are no?
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3:179 Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure. ​

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[Jedi_Mindset]

Oh those poor zionists must be sucking their thumbs now:

In online video, Syrian rebels operating near Israeli border criticize
Assad regime for not fighting Israel in recent decades • Israel: The
‘Somalization’ of Syria is a great concern • Red Cross told Israel:
Syrian refugees refused aid from Jewish state.

Syrian rebels
operating in the region near the border with Israel threatened on Sunday
to fight to regain the Golan Heights from Israel following the toppling
of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

In a video published online, a rebel fighter,
filmed against the backdrop of the Golan Heights, said "we are in the
occupied Golan Heights, which the traitor Hafez Assad sold to Israel 40
years ago. These lands are blessed and the despicable Assad family
promised to liberate them, but for 40 years the Syrian army did not fire
a single bullet. We will open a military campaign against Israel. We
will fire the bullets that Assad did not and we will liberate the
Golan."

The Israel-Syria border has been mostly quiet since 1974.





A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry has
voiced his concerns about the potential for radical Sunni elements to
take power in a post-Assad Syria.

"There is a great concern that uncontrolled
elements at the service of extremist ideas will manage to take over
smaller or bigger separate territories inside the Syrian borders,” Yigal
Palmor told the Turkish Hürriyet Daily News in an interview in
Jerusalem.

"The ‘Somalization’ of Syria is a great
concern. We hope that this war ends as quickly as possible, with a
central power emerging that will rule all Syria,” he said.

"We don’t have any pretext to [militarily]
intervene in what is going on in Syria. Nobody wants us to do that and
we don’t want to do that. We stay on the sidelines, except where our
vital security interests are threatened. We reserve our right to limited
intervention," Palmor said.

In the interview with the Turkish newspaper,
Palmor revealed that Israel had coordinated with the Red Cross to send
humanitarian aid into Syria, but Israel was told that the refugees
refused to receive aid from Israel. Private aid organizations in Israel
are already working with Jordan for human assistance to Syrian refugees,
Palmor said, adding, "this shows that the Israeli public wants to help
Syrians no matter what politics dictates."

In July 2012, Israel Defense Forces Director
of Military Intelligence Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi warned that global
jihadists have moved into Syrian territory bordering the Golan Heights
and could soon use the area to stage attacks on Israel. In a briefing to
the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Kochavi said that
Islamic terrorists have taken advantage of the chaos created by the
Syrian civil war to approach the Golan area. Kochavi told lawmakers that
a power vacuum has created a possible arena in the Golan Heights for
anti-Israel operations, similar to what was happening in Egypt's Sinai
region, where the government in Cairo is finding it hard to impose its
authority on the desert peninsula.

"The Golan area is liable to become an arena
of operations against Israel in much the same way the Sinai is today,
and that's a result of the increasing entrenchment of global jihad in
Syria," he said.

In Dec. 2012 a senior Israeli intelligence
official told Channel 2 TV that global jihad groups have been preparing
near the border with Israel, and are "stockpiling huge amounts of lethal
weapons for a fight with Israel."

"The main problem is not the local rebel
groups but fighters coming from outside Syria. Hundreds of fighters have
begun streaming into Syria from Jordan and Iraq. They come from
countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Libya, and many other countries.
We're talking about very dangerous people with experience fighting the
U.S. army in Iraq as well as fighting the regime in Libya. We estimate
that there are between 3,000 to 4,000 rebel fighters belonging to
radical Salafist groups who all belong under the al-Qaida umbrella," the
official said.

"We expect these rebels to stockpile a large
amount of rockets, a situation which will return the northern Israeli
communities into the line of fire. We assess that once the foreign
rebels have finished fighting Assad's army they will all turn their
attention to the border with Israel. There is no question about it. Once
the Assad regime falls, we will start seeing incidents on our border. I
assess that it will start with a trickle of incidents, like we see on
the Egyptian border, and further down the line we'll start seeing the
firing of anti-tank missiles at IDF vehicles, roadside bombs against
patrols, and these are only the incidents I can reveal. I believe we
will see much worse things," the official said.

Meanwhile, the German Der Spiegel magazine
reported on Sunday that the United States is secretly providing military
training in Jordan to Syrian rebels. According to the report, some 200
rebel fighters have already received training in recent months and there
are future plans to train a total of 1,200 members of the Free Syrian
Army at two camps in southern and eastern Jordan. The U.S. State
Department declined to comment on the report.

Arab media on Sunday reported fierce, ongoing
battles between rebels and the Syrian military throughout the country.
More than 150 people were reportedly killed over the past day.

U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio
Guterres warned on Sunday that there could be three million Syrian
refugees by the end of 2013, if the violence in the country continues.

According to reports on Al-Arabiya and
Al-Jazeera, Free Syrian Army fighters captured a Syrian military aerial
defense base in the Deir el-Zour region of northeastern Syria near the
Iraqi border. Rebels flaunted a large cache of anti-aircraft missiles
taken from the base and accused the Iraqi military of helping Assad's
forces.

Also on Sunday, the deputy head of Hezbollah,
Sheikh Naim Qassem, said in an interview with a Kuwaiti newspaper that
the Assad regime has the situation under control in Syria and is close
to subduing the rebels.

Qassem denied reports that he was recently injured in a Syrian rebel ambush of a convoy travelling from Beirut to Damascus.



Qassem also warned Israel not to attack Lebanon, saying,
"the Israelis grossly violate Lebanese sovereignty and penetrate
Lebanon via the air, sea and land. We reserve the right to respond to
any Israeli action in Lebanon as we see fit."


http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=7883

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Drone strikes in Syria? CIA ‘boosting’ intelligence force to ‘size up’ Syrian extremists


The CIA may be preparing for lethal drone strikes in Syria, as it is extending its intelligence-gathering on Islamic radicals in the country, US media has reported. At the same time, US officials are pressing for the supplying arms to rebels.
“The CIA has stepped up secret contingency planning to protect the United States and its allies as the turmoil expands in Syria, including collecting intelligence on Islamic extremists for the first time for possible lethal drone strikes,” according to current and former US officials, reported in the LA Times.

The agency’s counterterrorism center has recently transferred an unspecified number of targeting officers to the area. The center is notorious for its previous drone campaigns in Yemen and Pakistan.

Targeting officers are responsible for the compilation of large packages of information on specific zones. Those working on Syria are currently based at the organization’s headquarters in Langley, Virginia, as not many US operatives have been deployed to the area.

The increased focus on identifying threats in Syria carries the implication that the agency is preparing plans for counter-action – both violent and nonviolent – against potential militants, the Los Angeles Times reported.

“If we do this, why don't we start droning people in Hezbollah?” a former CIA officer with experience in Iraq told the Los Angeles Times. “It opens the door for a lot of other things.”

In a trend apparently countering the CIA’s alleged security efforts, a US lawmaker is set to propose a bill on Monday in support of providing arms and training to Syrian opposition forces, as well as economic backing. Should the arms be delivered, they could easily fall into the hands of the same militants they seek to suppress.

Rep. Eliot Engel, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote a letter to his house colleagues seeking their support for a bill to provide arms and training to Syrian rebels, applying pressure to the Obama’s administration.

"US training and arming of carefully vetted Syrian opposition forces offer many potential benefits, but two stand out above all: Bringing the humanitarian disaster to an end as soon as possible and helping ensure that the US has a constructive relationship with a successor government in Damascus,” said the letter obtained by AP.

The idea is supported by officials from both parties – last month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio suggested providing the Syrian opposition with ammunition, and Secretary of State John Kerry announced a package of ‘nonlethal assistance.'

European media reported that the US, UK and France are already training rebels in Jordan, while Paris and London are both attempting to bring forward an EU meeting to lift the arms embargo on Syria. Planned for May, the two countries are pressing for it to take place before the end of March.

If the union does not end the embargo, the two nations will still arm the Syrian rebels, France said.

However, this course of action could come with its own problems: “Weapons are in high demand by all rebel factions and there is little means to effectively prevent arms from gravitating toward hardcore Al-Qaeda fighters,” political analyst Nile Bowie told RT.
On Saturday, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said the EU must think “very carefully” about lifting the arms embargo, as it could make a political settlement to the Syrian conflict more difficult.

"Would putting weapons into the field make it more or less likely that others will do the same? What would be the response of Assad based on what we know about his response so far? Would it stop people being killed or would it kill people faster?" AP quoted her as saying.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that any arming of the opposition in Syria would be a violation of international law.

On Friday, Syria witnessed the second anniversary of the uprising from which the conflict sprouted, with many saying they feared for the country’s future.

The US Department of the Treasury has allowed the country’s citizens, companies and banks to transfer funds and provide services to the Syrian opposition. At the same time, all transactions with forces loyal to President Assad are prohibited.

"The United States is committed to supporting the Syrian people's aspirations for a Syrian-led political transition to a democratic, inclusive, and peaceful Syria," the Treasury said in a statement on Friday. “The Syrian government has sacrificed all legitimacy in its violent attempts to cling to power."

"Export, re-export, sell or supply, directly or indirectly" are now authorized to the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, who are the “sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people,” the Treasury said.

Washington officially recognized the Syrian opposition in December last year, having already provided the Coalition with nearly $500 million in non-military aid.

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/syria-usa-rebel-drone-356/

 

[GuestFellow]

Its a sign though, for what they are planning to do for syria. Just like what they did in yugoslavia, the dividing into pieces of states. The Yinon-plan going in full swing, syria will be divided just like iraq. Who is to blame? Us. our lack of support and unification.

Ofcourse they would give the secular, more nationalist syrians power. they will prevent any islamic government at all cost, and i assure you they will succeed this time again, because its of our lack of support as we are busy complaining about mobile phones and neglecting our duties. I hope the best but...and i may get bad replies on my comments but i see how it is. M60's, m79's have already appeared in vids by the FSA. Most likely provided by the gulf states.

when the west starts to control the main body of FSA in which they almost are succeeding to do it will be bad for the ones who want islamic shariah, justice.

Remember this is just my view, i dont support Assad he is a secular dictator. I say how it is now, because i dont look into the future, because only Allah knows the future.

Truly an inspiring post. Made my skin shiver! *shivers* I'm so flabbergasted. It's all our fault.